CONFIRMED Points deduction to start next season

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sheff_blade90 said:
you know the good thing is none of this exists. so its all fine. if you can crawl back to hole you came out or failing that jump in front of train & do us all favour it would be much welcome. you hidious worthless troll. who is a disgrace to the name of sheffield united

failing that ill just put you on ignore
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I’ll see you when you come to end me big shot. Don’t be long.
 

sheff_blade90 said:
easy tiger, you think this is funny do you, you want to come here & insult me, play me out to be some braindead moron. dont poke the bear & then play the victim because you got bitten.

you say ive dodged questions ive asked you 3 times. where would we fill the black hole & 3 times youve ignored seems you know even less than me call yourself a fan, your worthless stupid troll who talks more bollocks than Boris Johnson. no wonder they gave up on your education after junior school. they could tell it was waste of money

& if im making stuff up then so are these 3 stories.
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Was true
 
Sean is consistent in his defence of the status quo and that is his narrative. Accepting his position as his opinion doesn’t mean you agree with him. My experience has come (previously itk) from those who know to an extent without being party to exact detail.
 
sheff_blade90 said:
easy tiger, you think this is funny do you, you want to come here & insult me, play me out to be some braindead moron. dont poke the bear & then play the victim because you got bitten.

you say ive dodged questions ive asked you 3 times. where would we fill the black hole & 3 times youve ignored seems you know even less than me call yourself a fan, your worthless stupid troll who talks more bollocks than Boris Johnson. no wonder they gave up on your education after junior school. they could tell it was waste of money

& if im making stuff up then so are these 3 stories.
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Are you going to answer my question about where you got your inflated figures from? Why do we need to find £80-100m next season?
 
jono_t2000 said:
I don't think your wrong I do think alot of owners see CW as a risk.

Had a bust up with the boardrooms when managing in the lower leagues with Northampton/Oxford.

Obviously the well publicised bust up with our own owner.

We know West Brom owner vetoed the hiring of CW, and prior to that Charlton also pulled the plug.

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This is from 2016. It came out afterwards that we came in for him and Wilder changed his mind before signing anything so I am not sure what there is to tear up!
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Are you going to answer my question about where you got your inflated figures from? Why do we need to find £80-100m next season?
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im not sure where the next season has coming from. i thought i clear it was on hypothetical scenario that we didnt go up this year & were still playing championship football

Southampton got a 102.6m for finishing bottom last yr, now you can only take Stephen bettis comments in Radio Sheffield interview at face value. so if he said then that the transfer strategy this summer was because most of it went on debts you would assume. at maybe 80m-100m. im assuming again because the prince wanted to sell us debt free
 
sheff_blade90 said:
im not sure where the next season has coming from. i thought i clear it was on hypothetical scenario that we didnt go up this year & were still playing championship football

Southampton got a 102.6m for finishing bottom last yr, now you can only take Stephen bettis comments in Radio Sheffield interview at face value. so if he said then that the transfer strategy this summer was because most of it went on debts you would assume. at maybe 80m-100m. im assuming again because the prince wanted to sell us debt free
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It’s nonsense though? Southamptons costs were and continue to be, much higher than ours. Their wage bill is massively higher, they have transfer fee payments outstanding and their running costs are also much higher, but how does their costs relate in any way to us?

So I’ll ask again, where is our £80-100m black hole just due to relegation?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It’s nonsense though? Southamptons costs were and continue to be, much higher than ours. Their wage bill is massively higher, they have transfer fee payments outstanding and their running costs are also much higher, but how does their costs relate in any way to us?

So I’ll ask again, where is our £80-100m black hole just due to relegation?
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i think best we leave it. im not sure whats going on here because to me this is pretty simple maths. but their is some kind of misunderstanding here that we clearly cant get past. as we are talking 2 different things
 
Sod all this black hole, financial accounts and old Thorntons all this smacks of an owner who bullshitted his way to owning us and now realises he did need his own money to run a club.
Fancy thinking he can make money out of football club ey. What a joker.
Makes me laugh but this is the Blades way.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It’s nonsense though? Southamptons costs were and continue to be, much higher than ours. Their wage bill is massively higher, they have transfer fee payments outstanding and their running costs are also much higher, but how does their costs relate in any way to us?

So I’ll ask again, where is our £80-100m black hole just due to relegation?
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Mate all he said was Southampton got 102 million for finishing bottom. He wasn’t comparing us to Southampton
 
sheff_blade90 said:
i think best we leave it. im not sure whats going on here because to me this is pretty simple maths. but their is some kind of misunderstanding here that we clearly cant get past. as we are talking 2 different things
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You’ve said, hypothetically there is a £80-100m debt to cover if we aren’t promoted back to the PL.
I’ve asked where you’ve got your figures from and you’ve provided Southampton as a comparison.

It’s really simple. Where are our debts that leave us exposed to a £80-100m financial black hole that you suggested?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
you’ve provided Southampton as a comparison
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yes Southampton & every team who goes up since the new tv deal are guaranteed 102.6m its how the premier league works. so if we didn't go up Middlesbrough get that money. so what do we pay our debts off without premier league income

why did waffle on about Southampton wage bill & expenses that have no relevance to this issue
 

sheff_blade90 said:
yes Southampton & every team who goes up since the new tv deal are guaranteed 102.6m its how the premier league works. so if we didn't go up Middlesbrough get that money. so what do we pay our debts off without premier league income

why did waffle on about Southampton wage bill & expenses that have no relevance to this issue
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You were taking in the next few seasons, or were you only meaning historic. In which case they have no relevance on next season and we can move on?
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
You’ve said, hypothetically there is a £80-100m debt to cover if we aren’t promoted back to the PL.
I’ve asked where you’ve got your figures from and you’ve provided Southampton as a comparison.

It’s really simple. Where are our debts that leave us exposed to a £80-100m financial black hole that you suggested?
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Financial liabilities 82 million . Depending how we got on this year will become clear in the summer when we sort out the squad for next season.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Leicester to avoid points penalty this season

Leicester City are not at risk of a points deduction this season after the EFL admits it is powerless to punish clubs for Premier League breaches.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So the EFL don't have the power to impose points deductions for clubs that have broken regulations in the PL.
 
Kev Gee said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Leicester to avoid points penalty this season

Leicester City are not at risk of a points deduction this season after the EFL admits it is powerless to punish clubs for Premier League breaches.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

So the EFL don't have the power to impose points deductions for clubs that have broken regulations in the PL.
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Pretty obvious really, EFL doesn’t have jurisdiction in the Prem and vice versa.
 
sheff_blade90 said:
yes daily mail arent great but when multiple media sources & journalists thats just 3 that i posted. you have to assume no smoke without fire
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You do realise that most 'news stories' are just copy and paste from the original 'story' so if a Wendy fan makes up a story it soon becomes - FACT.

Speaking of Fallowfield, you do realise that if you continue to insult other forum members you will end up in the same position as he did.
 
sheff_blade90 said:
easy tiger, you think this is funny do you, you want to come here & insult me, play me out to be some braindead moron. dont poke the bear & then play the victim because you got bitten.

you say ive dodged questions ive asked you 3 times. where would we fill the black hole & 3 times youve ignored seems you know even less than me call yourself a fan, your worthless stupid troll who talks more bollocks than Boris Johnson. no wonder they gave up on your education after junior school. they could tell it was waste of money

& if im making stuff up then so are these 3 stories.
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It is a very real threat it’s been on since the championship season. The storm is coming.
 
Blade58 said:
Come on Rifleman, a bit more please
If PA has cleared most of our debt due to PL revenues, what’s the big issue now that you’re referring to?
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I've no idea how bad things are, but EFL P&S rules only allow losses of £13m a year. Next year we're allowed a bigger loss (~£20m) due to being in the EPL recently (& we get parachute payments, so we'll have an artifically higher income than other teams). The year we got promoted under Wilder we lost £21m, if we hadn't gone up we'd have been on course to break P&S rules. If we don't get promoted again before the parachute payments run out we'll have to significantly reduce spending to avoid breahing P&S. Plus the small matter of where the money is going to come from to actually overspend in the first place, if the prince doesn't want, or can't, keep financing the losses. Trying to break even every year might be the best long term strategy, but it will impact on the quality of players & results on the pitch (& doubtless increase the number of people asking where all the money has gone...)
 

Freddy Dunning-Kruger said:
I've no idea how bad things are, but EFL P&S rules only allow losses of £13m a year.
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You’ve got me thinking now🤔

I read the other week that Kieran Maguire, finance academic and host of the Price of Football podcast, has calculated the operational losses for last season to average out at a remarkable £476,000 ($594,000) a week for every Championship club.

This equals an average of £24.752 million a year in losses. So how does that work for FFP as surely in a couple of years just about every championship club will be breaching FFP rules.

I’m not questioning what you’ve said Freddy as I remember the £13m per year figure, I’m just wondering how it will work going forward if championship club losses are at an all time high, and whether they’ll change the £13m figure per year to a much larger amount🤷🏻‍♂️ or just have all teams starting on minus points at the start of each season😁
 
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