Worst season for 33 years?

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pommpey said:
A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Hil-fucking-arious.

In what way, by finishing in the lowest league position for decades, have e 'made lots of progress' exactly?

You do understand the premise of this debate, don't you WHF? I mean, we are comparing league position, year on year, for thirty odd years. That position completely and entirely depends upon games won, which gives points gained, itself dependent upon ability of players on the pitch, against opposition players.

Got that? Now tell me in which department, on or off the pitch, has Sheffield United 'made lots of progress'. I'll give you the Desso Pitch, but in truth I don't think it's manifestation has improved the overall end result, do you?

You are McCabe and I claim my £5 club-shop gift voucher.

pommpey
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Woooooww there big guy. You are missing his point.

We are shit and we keep going backwards. That was his point wasn't it? Surely?
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
We're in a hole. Is it a grave or are we laying foundations?

I don't know how anyone can tell for sure till next season but for me all, ok lots of, the signs are that the foundations will be strong and the club has a bright future.
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Foundations for a new cemetery if we keep this up.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
We're in a hole. Is it a grave or are we laying foundations?

I don't know how anyone can tell for sure till next season but for me all, ok lots of, the signs are that the foundations will be strong and the club has a bright future.
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How do you get that from going backwards in league position? Shame you have me on ignore because that is something I'd love to know.
 
Harry's Game said:
What main foundation would you say has been built? Not a dig, I am genuinely interested in knowing.
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The foundations for the new housing and commercial developments may have already been laid if The Don Valley Stadium hadn't been flattened
 
Bladesway said:
Woooooww there big guy. You are missing his point.

We are shit and we keep going backwards. That was his point wasn't it? Surely?
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No? OP says, this is the worst for some time. He says, 'but we have made progress'

I say, the club is in the shit. The future doesn't suggest a change in this situation.

It doesn't matter, anyway. WHF has anyone who disagrees with him on ignore, which is a ridiculous situation and makes him a happy clappy bellend.

pommpey
 
Sheff Utd
  • 25Long
  • 5Brayford
  • 6Basham
  • 34Edgar
  • 19McEveley
  • 22Reed
  • 35Hammond
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 11Baxter
  • 27Calvert-Lewin
  • 29Adams
That is Bury away this year ,the worst line up ,the worst tactics ,the worst management ,the worst performance I have seen in all my 47 years watching Sheff Utd.
Hartlepool at home with Weir in charge was close.
 
sitwell said:
Sheff Utd
  • 25Long
  • 5Brayford
  • 6Basham
  • 34Edgar
  • 19McEveley
  • 22Reed
  • 35Hammond
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 11Baxter
  • 27Calvert-Lewin
  • 29Adams
That is Bury away this year ,the worst line up ,the worst tactics ,the worst management ,the worst performance I have seen in all my 47 years watching Sheff Utd.
Hartlepool at home with Weir in charge was close.
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I'm amazed you find that lineup to be worse management than building a squad containing almost 50 players, and not being able to field one centre half. In 10 years time I'll have to re check the record books to confirm that wasn't a joke.

You've accused me of being a stuck record several times ( for instance when I pointed out Porter wasn't good enough for us, no less), but once your own mind is made up......

UTB
 
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sitwell said:
Sheff Utd
  • 25Long
  • 5Brayford
  • 6Basham
  • 34Edgar
  • 19McEveley
  • 22Reed
  • 35Hammond
  • 20Campbell-Ryce
  • 11Baxter
  • 27Calvert-Lewin
  • 29Adams
That is Bury away this year ,the worst line up ,the worst tactics ,the worst management ,the worst performance I have seen in all my 47 years watching Sheff Utd.
Hartlepool at home with Weir in charge was close.
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None of us can be sure this mini ( and it is a mini)-revival in home games and one win away, is a good thing or a bad one. It could save Adkins his job, though that must surely still be in the balance. Time will tell.
 
SUFC's season, basically -

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Woodwardfan said:
None of us can be sure this mini ( and it is a mini)-revival in home games and one win away, is a good thing or a bad one. It could save Adkins his job, though that must surely still be in the balance. Time will tell.
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Just don't understand what he was thinking ,he had Flynn ,Coutts , Done and Sharp on the bench ,worryingly bad management.
If he does stay I really hope he has stumbled on a formation and he builds to it. They say a lucky manager is a good manager ,I hope he is.

You had to be at Bury though to see how awful it really was.
 
pommpey said:
A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Hil-fucking-arious.

In what way, by finishing in the lowest league position for decades, have e 'made lots of progress' exactly?

You do understand the premise of this debate, don't you WHF? I mean, we are comparing league position, year on year, for thirty odd years. That position completely and entirely depends upon games won, which gives points gained, itself dependent upon ability of players on the pitch, against opposition players.

Got that? Now tell me in which department, on or off the pitch, has Sheffield United 'made lots of progress'. I'll give you the Desso Pitch, but in truth I don't think it's manifestation has improved the overall end result, do you?

You are McCabe and I claim my £5 club-shop gift voucher.

pommpey
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To be fair the OP was a little bit open in that it was "WORST SEASON" which is a bit subjective. If he had gone for worst finish in 30 odd years then there would be no argument. After 55 years watching the bastards I really don't know what was the worst season. I recall the Givens miss and maybe that was the worst, but then again the Heath era was bad and quite frankly the capitulation by Cough's team against Fleetwood following his stupidity and the following games when he decided the " divine right and the will of Clough" would get us up was bad. If I could be bothered to google, we lost in a cup game in the 80's against colchester or similar in the second round. That was my worst season I think.

Worst finish for a bit may happen. But I regret to say that I am inclined to the WHF view that the progress may be in the conditioning of the players, the laying down of the law on discipline and the potential for youth introduction. On other matters such as stupid substitutions, formations and selections the jury is out as it is on "investment".
 
Barney said:
Are you saying we're likely to finish lower than 11th this season? Negative bastard...
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That's Mr Negative Bastard to you Barney.

Not that I even saw your comment as I still have you on ignore! :)
 



William Henry Foulkes said:
We're in a hole. Is it a grave or are we laying foundations?

I don't know how anyone can tell for sure till next season but for me all, ok lots of, the signs are that the foundations will be strong and the club has a bright future.
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We fans can only judge from what we see on the pitch and glean from the media and other fans. The media is doctored/massaged/ careful speak and the fans, well what do we know!!

What we see on the pitch is going through a better phase at long last with a system of playing that suits our squad and it took 8 months for the penny to drop with the manager. We have not actually got rid of that many players and some will return to the club at the end of the season and others will leave when their contract expires soon.

There is an opportunity to build something and the whole key to the chances of success is whether those players who are staying still believe in Adkins as the man to take us forward. Frankly I wouldn't have a clue whether there is this "great spirit" which Adkins has been talking about for months and months, he talks nonsense at times. Only people within the club are in a position to judge the spirit and the belief among the men who matter, the players.

You're right WHF, none of us can tell for sure. We have to decide whether to renew our season tickets after the biggest let down in a season that I can ever remember. Bearing in mind the reasons for optimism last summer when, don't forget, we all knew the quality of the squad Adkins was inheriting and we all knew the standard of the league. Adkins has failed badly.

Has he built some strong foundations while failing? I don't see any evidence but foundations only ever peep above ground and the house is still only half finished when the roof goes on. We are way off the house warming celebration party and Adkins has been here 10 months. The build should have taken a year at the most and we are all still living in a caravan in a boggy field where we are slipping and sliding after storm after storm in a very wet and gloomy winter. Houses are built to last though and all the problems with the foundations can soon be forgotten if the builder does a quality job. Is he a good builder or a smarmy house salesman who will disappear quickly with his bonus and salary and is nowhere to be seen when the house slides down the hill? None of us really know that either, believe it or not.
 
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Woodwardfan said:
We fans can only judge from what we see on the pitch and glean from the media and other fans. The media is doctored/massaged/ careful speak and the fans, well what do we know!!

What we see on the pitch is going through a better phase at long last with a system of playing that suits our squad and it took 8 months for the penny to drop with the manager. We have not actually got rid of that many players and some will return to the club at the end of the season and others will leave when their contract expires soon.

There is an opportunity to build something and the whole key to the chances of success is whether those players who are staying still believe in Adkins as the man to take us forward. Frankly I wouldn't have a clue whether there is this "great spirit" which Adkins has been talking about for months and months, he talks nonsense at times. Only people within the club are in a position to judge the spirit and the belief among the men who matter, the players.

You're right WHF, none of us can tell for sure. We have to decide whether to renew our season tickets after the biggest let down in a season that I can ever remember. Bearing in mind the reasons for optimism last summer when, don't forget, we all knew the quality of the squad Adkins was inheriting and we all knew the standard of the league. Adkins has failed badly.

Has he built some strong foundations while failing? I don't see any evidence but foundations only ever peep above ground and the house is still only half finished when the roof goes on. We are way off the house warming celebration party and Adkins has been here 10 months. The build should have taken a year at the most and we are all still living in a caravan in a boggy field where we are slipping and sliding after storm after storm in a very wet and gloomy winter. Houses are built to last though and all the problems with the foundations can soon be forgotten if the builder does a quality job. Is he a good builder or a smarmy house salesman who will disappear quickly with his bonus and salary and is nowhere to be seen when the house slides down the hill? None of us really know that either, believe it or not.
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that league 1 champion groundsman will have summat to say about you calling it a boggy field...cost a million quid that
 
Woodwardfan said:
We fans can only judge from what we see on the pitch and glean from the media and other fans. The media is doctored/massaged/ careful speak and the fans, well what do we know!!

What we see on the pitch is going through a better phase at long last with a system of playing that suits our squad and it took 8 months for the penny to drop with the manager. We have not actually got rid of that many players and some will return to the club at the end of the season and others will leave when their contract expires soon.

There is an opportunity to build something and the whole key to the chances of success is whether those players who are staying still believe in Adkins as the man to take us forward. Frankly I wouldn't have a clue whether there is this "great spirit" which Adkins has been talking about for months and months, he talks nonsense at times. Only people within the club are in a position to judge the spirit and the belief among the men who matter, the players.

You're right WHF, none of us can tell for sure. We have to decide whether to renew our season tickets after the biggest let down in a season that I can ever remember. Bearing in mind the reasons for optimism last summer when, don't forget, we all knew the quality of the squad Adkins was inheriting and we all knew the standard of the league. Adkins has failed badly.

Has he built some strong foundations while failing? I don't see any evidence but foundations only ever peep above ground and the house is still only half finished when the roof goes on. We are way off the house warming celebration party and Adkins has been here 10 months. The build should have taken a year at the most and we are all still living in a caravan in a boggy field where we are slipping and sliding after storm after storm in a very wet and gloomy winter. Houses are built to last though and all the problems with the foundations can soon be forgotten if the builder does a quality job. Is he a good builder or a smarmy house salesman who will disappear quickly with his bonus and salary and is nowhere to be seen when the house slides down the hill? None of us really know that either, believe it or not.
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From a professional perspective, your end product is very much dependent on the client. If they constantly value engineer the architects' design it can quickly turn into a pile of crap. If they fail to set realistic deadlines then the project will not be completed on time.
And then they blame the project manager.
In our analogy, the clients are the owners of the club.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Have we been digging a grave in which to bury the club or foundations on which to build?

I reckon it's foundations.
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I truly hope you're correct mate ...... but we won't find out until a load of players have been released ( hopefully ) and we see who NA actually brings in to replace them if he's supported appropriately by the Board in the summer ( preferably before the season kicks off ).

At that point we will know if were in self - imposed exile for another year or if we're going to compete at the top.

UTB & FTP
 
Woodwardfan said:
We have to decide whether to renew our season tickets after the biggest let down in a season that I can ever remember. Bearing in mind the reasons for optimism last summer when, don't forget, we all knew the quality of the squad Adkins was inheriting and we all knew the standard of the league. Adkins has failed badly.
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On August 16, 1975 we were in the top flight. The previous season we had finished 6th, again in the top flight. Our squad included Badger, Colquhoun, Currie, Edwards, Ted Hemsley, Woodward etc. The sun was shining as 31,316 gathered to see the opening match at home to Derby. The brand-new South Stand was finally opened. What could possibly go wrong?

We finished rock-bottom with 22 points from 42 games (only 2 points for a win, though. So not that bad :oops:). That's disappointment. That's being a Blade. :(
 
I doff my cap to WHF's optimism, but if what we are seeing are foundations then if they offer to tarmac the car park as well we'd better tell them to fuck off.
 
grafikhaus said:
On August 16, 1975 we were in the top flight. The previous season we had finished 6th, again in the top flight. Our squad included Badger, Colquhoun, Currie, Edwards, Ted Hemsley, Woodward etc. The sun was shining as 31,316 gathered to see the opening match at home to Derby. The brand-new South Stand was finally opened. What could possibly go wrong?
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Two words, the first one is Chris . . . . . . .

grafikhaus said:
We finished rock-bottom with 22 points from 42 games (only 2 points for a win, though. So not that bad :oops:).
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To be fair, that "not bad" total was boosted by a points rush AFTER we got relegated at White Hart Lane in MARCH. I think we won twice as many games after we were down than before!
 



pommpey said:
A-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Hil-fucking-arious.

In what way, by finishing in the lowest league position for decades, have e 'made lots of progress' exactly?

You do understand the premise of this debate, don't you WHF? I mean, we are comparing league position, year on year, for thirty odd years. That position completely and entirely depends upon games won, which gives points gained, itself dependent upon ability of players on the pitch, against opposition players.

Got that? Now tell me in which department, on or off the pitch, has Sheffield United 'made lots of progress'. I'll give you the Desso Pitch, but in truth I don't think it's manifestation has improved the overall end result, do you?

You are McCabe and I claim my £5 club-shop gift voucher.

pommpey
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He's got his tablet upside down.
 
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