Wilson - Stand up and be counted...............................................

[Foxy]

I suppose I will get a PM for abuse now seems they only go out to people with a certain view point.

You'll find they most certainly don't. Abuse is abuse, whoever the poster and it's dealt with in exactly the same way.

 

[Hartley Hare]

Metal you have some issues;

You dislike the owner of our club, want the manager out, and for the most part complain about most of the players. Not content with that lot you now don't think much of us.

What is left? - Nothing. Stay in bed mate, and forget about SUFC.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Oh dear, I guess I ruffled a few feathers, rather than coming out with the usual abuse and I'm a bigger blade lines why don't some of you who think Danny is so good back up that argument and tell us your reasons for believing Danny will turn it round. Maybe it is just a whole lot easier to fire abuse at somebody who has a different view, don't know about me whacking one off when we concede a goal the only wankers seen here are you lot.

I suppose I will get a PM for abuse now seems they only go out to people with a certain view point.

You'll have an audience of about 20000 who love wankers if you whack one off

 

[metalblade]

Metal you have some issues;

You dislike the owner of our club, want the manager out, and for the most part complain about most of the players. Not content with that lot you now don't think much of us.

What is left? - Nothing. Stay in bed mate, and forget about SUFC.

No issues here buddy, the ones with issues are the people who can't accept a different view point and turn to name calling etc at the first chance they get. Only the other week we had a thread started to take the piss out of someone before they had even posted about a defeat. Seems like some just lie in wait for a negative post to jump on ............................... but if that's what floats their boat/gets em off

 

[Sirius]

Having slept on it, it's obvious to me that to keep Wilson in place would be foolish.

Forget automatic. Forget play-offs. We're heading for mid-table at best (with a few drubbings along the way). Next season will be ground zero and another 'period of stabilisation' to prevent even further downward progress.

I base this on seeing all the home games this season and yesterday was not a 'blip', it has been coming all season. Hartlepool and Yeovil didn't just beat us, they out-played us. And this gives the lie to the perennial 'we've got no money'/'we've had injuries'. Every team gets injuries and have Hartlepool and Yeovil got more money than us?

We can't afford to waste another four months. This season can still be salvaged. But not with Wilson in charge.

Any change of manager is a gamble, but keeping Wilson (who clearly cannot influence affairs) is a banker lose.

So who else? Couldn't do worse than put Morgs in. Knows the players, knows the set-up. And has the much-needed passion. O'Driscoll may be worth a punt.

Slag away if you wish. Keeping DW is no longer an option, and he'll be gone in summer anyway, so better to act now.

And just where would a new manager obtain the funds to sign new players? Wha difference would Morgs make if given the managers job? He is already in a stromg position to motivate the players he sees in training. I do hope that Morgs will be a manager one day but D.W. has lots more experience, I would expect him to come through this and put things right. Tell me I am wrong at the end of the season if we fail to go up.

 

[MobileBlade]

Wilson seems a dour figure and his side reflects this.. much as warnock used to annoy the crap out of me at least he showed some passion at times like this.. yesterday he would have been apopleptic

" "We were very poor in the first half and if I had have been one of the 5,000 I might have said what they were.
"I thought we had some great chances at the start of the second half and then there was a horrendous tackle from [Stephen] Dawson. How that's not a red card I don't know.
"I think I'm doing a great job if I'm honest and with one or two additions that I've got lined up... I understand their [the supporters'] disappointment but we know we need to strengthen."

 

[MobileBlade]

If Wilson was a proper manager he wouldn't have been talking to Radio Sheffield he would have been with the players locked in the dressing room giving them a round of phucks. The sooner he is sacked the better.

A bit like Graham Westley then?

 

[Micalijo]

great post but is it just a blip swiss.. we've been shit all year tbh.. i hope you are right but i'm starting to become disillusioned
the thing that bugs me is that we get all this wah wah about how we've lost ched and williamson and how we can't play expansive football anymore because we can't afford it and then yeovil and crewe average attendances 3000 come and play us off the park with proper football

Hang on Super - you made a big deal the pther week about the Hartlepool scnadal being a one off and a bad day at the office. You can't have it both ways mate. Obviously, as the more perceptive amongst us have been saying all season, we are shite, have bossed about 4 games out of 27 and what is happening results wise now is no surprise at all.

 

[Micalijo]

You could argue that we've been a false position.

Given the disappointment of last season, the loss of Ched, Willo, Squinny and Lowton (around 60 goals and numerous assists), I was amazed that we managed to find ourselves where we did before Xmas. OK, the League is crap and any half decent, consistent team should do well but we have a much changed team and have lost key players so even now, to be where we are could be considered a pretty good achievement.

Everyone wanted us to shed the long ball crap, bring in our own youngsters, not over rely on has beens and we've done all those things, OK, with a forced hand in some cases but they've been done nevertheless.

A blip, maybe, is this as good as we are, probably not as the season overall has shown but we have had to change the team recently, the stability in defence has been disrupted again, we have lost Miller when it looked like he was settling in, Murphy has come in but will need time, Blackman has still only played 70 odd games in his career etc etc

The odd crap result is inevitable and we've had two on the trot at home and were lucky to pick up anything at Donny but time will tell. DW has done a great job this season IMO trying to keep the same principles going given what's happened and the resources available and talk of him going is ridiculous. We were crap yesterday, as he said, but we move on.

Yes - poor old Danny, working under the intolerable position of having 65% of 19k crowds to play with - I just don't know how he manages to get a side out every week.

 

[Micalijo]

And I'm sure that his planning and teams planning was for a better performance. I'm talking generally, not just yesterday.

In the last 24 hrs I've read so many comments on here distancing the positives from Danny and piling up the negatives against him. One even said the only reason we made the playoffs was because of Ched, not Wilson. Yet Danny Wilson got us playing fantastic football last season, albeit with some weaknesses as weren't physical enough at times.

This season we haven't seen the flowing attacking football, we've lost several players who were key to the way we played,this season two of those key players that remain - Doyle and Cresswell, have aged considerably! Or are just out of form.

It's not excuses, just the difference. But he doesn't seem to have the players now to play that way. A few weeks ago, we looked like we had found a Ched type player in miller, but he's out for the season, so new faces are coming in.

For me it's a blip and it's not panic stations, ride the storm, back the club. Back the manager. Back the team. Back the individual players.

We're having bad games, bad individual performances but getting at them and quoting lines of a post match interview or looking at how the manager stands on the sidelines won't really give an insight into his character.

Back the team, back the club, back the players and managers! Pure comedy gold Swiss. It's the fans fault you know.

 

[Revolution]

Personally, I am getting sick of the habit that this team has developed over the last 18 months of folding up as soon as 1 or 2 injuries hit. Man up FFS.

These back to back home defeats - the Hartlepool one arguably being the worst in our entire 120 odd year history given the strength of the opposition - fall squarely on the heads of the players. They were pitiful.

And the fans are the last people who should be blamed.

the worst thing about all this is that we are looking like playoffs at best if this carries on, and a gutless team hasn't a prayer in the playoffs.

 

[Bladesway]

Wilson seems a dour figure and his side reflects this.. much as warnock used to annoy the crap out of me at least he showed some passion at times like this.. yesterday he would have been apopleptic

Warnock would have blamed someone else so don't start.

 

[SwissBlade]

Back the team, back the club, back the players and managers! Pure comedy gold Swiss. It's the fans fault you know.

Why is it the fans fault? They don't play...

 

[Bladesway]

If Wilson was a proper manager he wouldn't have been talking to Radio Sheffield he would have been with the players locked in the dressing room giving them a round of phucks. The sooner he is sacked the better.

Oh yes get him fired, thats the answer. You really are one of the last footballing dinosaurs thrashing about in the swamp aren't you. Spot of bad form, whats the answer? Fire the manager. Some of the over reactions on here are laughable. There are problems, we do need to improve but do you honestly think firing Wilson will change any of the problems? The problems go way beyond whats going on in the first team. Where is Wilson going to pick up the players he needs? And how are we going to pay them?

I hear Guardiola is kicking his heels at the moment, perhaps we should get him over to sort things out.

Wilson gets the season in my book. If he fails in getting us promoted then his position is reviewed, anything else is the talk of idiots.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I do not expect him to be put in that position by his team full stop!
He is the manager, tactician and motivator !
and yes most of it is true so he should sort it! He is the manager

Always the manager's fault isn't it? We've never been that good under any manager (apart from one), what might that suggest?

Players don't shoulder enough responsibility nowadays. The reason they have so much power is that they tend to get all the rewards and very little of the blame. They're highly paid professionals with years of experience some of them, yet supporters expect the manager to tell them what to do every step of the way as if they have to hold their fucking hand for 90 mins.

Certain players need to have a look at themselves in the mirror and ask if they're doing enough. Too many want to play an easy pass or simply hold their position. Not prepared to be brave, take a risk or get a bit of mud on their shirts. Yes the manager needs to motivate but the drive and determination has to come from within the player. I played on Sunday park pitches for nowt but I never needed anyone to tell me to try hard, I just did it.

 

[SwissBlade]

Yes - poor old Danny, working under the intolerable position of having 65% of 19k crowds to play with - I just don't know how he manages to get a side out every week.

Just a question, but as the SMCP rules will drop to 60% next season, should we be working to 65% now or 60%... Why should we be working at the maximum level...

 

[super_pig]

And the fans are the last people who should be blamed.

noone is blaming the fans.. the fans have nothing to do with it as they are not on the pitch.. the fans are currently crap at being fans.. (which isn't like us)

 

[Revolution]

noone is blaming the fans.. the fans have nothing to do with it as they are not on the pitch.. the fans are currently crap at being fans.. (which isn't like us)

You are. You said the fans were a liability in the George Long thread.

 

[super_pig]

Hang on Super - you made a big deal the pther week about the Hartlepool scnadal being a one off and a bad day at the office. You can't have it both ways mate. Obviously, as the more perceptive amongst us have been saying all season, we are shite, have bossed about 4 games out of 27 and what is happening results wise now is no surprise at all.

that is bollocks it was you that made it a big deal.. i'm simply not as quick to judge as some others on here after one game.. and come off it.. i've been saying we're shit all season.. i merely mentioned it was too early for wrist slitting.
so you are now free to go and slit them.

 

[super_pig]

You are. You said the fans were a liability in the George Long thread.

they are. the fans are crap.. end of.. can't you handle it or something because we are sheff united and we are such great fans?? get over it.. being a liability as fans isn't the same is being to blame for the result.. fucking hell you need a lawyer on here at times
some of you seem so fucking smug that we have lost i wonder why you bother going

 

[Revolution]

I'm not smug we've lost. I'm disgusted we've lost.

And what the hell are you saying when you say we are a liability, if it's not that we are a negative influence?

I say again, the players got exactly what they deserved. If they don't like it, they can try harder and play better.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Always the manager's fault isn't it? We've never been that good under any manager (apart from one), what might that suggest?

Players don't shoulder enough responsibility nowadays. The reason they have so much power is that they tend to get all the rewards and very little of the blame. They're highly paid professionals with years of experience some of them, yet supporters expect the manager to tell them what to do every step of the way as if they have to hold their fucking hand for 90 mins.

Certain players need to have a look at themselves in the mirror and ask if they're doing enough. Too many want to play an easy pass or simply hold their position. Not prepared to be brave, take a risk or get a bit of mud on their shirts. Yes the manager needs to motivate but the drive and determination has to come from within the player. I played on Sunday park pitches for nowt but I never needed anyone to tell me to try hard, I just did it.

Unfortunately, that's the managers job - He is there to:

• Form and instigate a playing strategy and tactics
• Procure players to carry out above strategy
• Pick a side capable of playing together as a team
• Oversee coaching / training schedules in order to improve players technique, capabilities and fitness
• Plan for each game making sure that there are fall back plans for any unexpected ocurrance eg injuries / sending offs etc
• Prepare the team prior to the match ensuring the players are tuned in to how they need to approach the game and to combat any threats from the opposition
• Motivate the players with a message of what is expected
• Support the players from his position on the touchline to especially identify threats and danger from the the opposing team
• Review the situation at half time, re motivate the players and change strategy and personnel as the match dictates
• During the game assess and re assess how the game is unfolding and make any necessary changes in tactics. personnel etc
• Keep in contact throughout the game with coaching and fitness staff to fully understand the mechanics and dynamics of the players during the match

Generally most professional footballers appear to lack the capability of thought and action on ones own volition so yes, they do need their hands holding, an arm around the shoulder , a kick up the arse - whatever it needs!
If there is no pride, determination, passion, self belief or effort then these guys should not be wearing a Sheffield United shirt! but the buck stops at the manager ask Di Matteo, Steve Kean, Henning Berg, Sean O'Driscoll, and all the others that have parted company with their clubs this season!

 

[raul]

Unfortunately, that's the managers job - He is there to:

• Form and instigate a playing strategy and tactics
• Procure players to carry out above strategy
• Pick a side capable of playing together as a team
• Oversee coaching / training schedules in order to improve players technique, capabilities and fitness
• Plan for each game making sure that there are fall back plans for any unexpected ocurrance eg injuries / sending offs etc
• Prepare the team prior to the match ensuring the players are tuned in to how they need to approach the game and to combat any threats from the opposition
• Motivate the players with a message of what is expected
• Support the players from his position on the touchline to especially identify threats and danger from the the opposing team
• Review the situation at half time, re motivate the players and change strategy and personnel as the match dictates
• During the game assess and re assess how the game is unfolding and make any necessary changes in tactics. personnel etc
• Keep in contact throughout the game with coaching and fitness staff to fully understand the mechanics and dynamics of the players during the match

Generally most professional footballers appear to lack the capability of thought and action on ones own volition so yes, they do need their hands holding, an arm around the shoulder , a kick up the arse - whatever it needs!

If there is no pride, determination, passion, self belief or effort then these guys should not be wearing a Sheffield United shirt! but the buck stops at the manager ask Di Matteo, Steve Kean, Henning Berg, Sean O'Driscoll, and all the others that have parted company with their clubs this season!

You'd have thought the lazy bastard would have found time to sort the pitch out wouldn't you?

 

[Fiery Blade]

You'd have thought the lazy bastard would have found time to sort the pitch out wouldn't you?

Apparently, according to the Yorkshire Post it was the pitch's fault we lost on Saturday - so yes Wilson get the pitch sorted as well!

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Unfortunately, that's the managers job - He is there to:

• Form and instigate a playing strategy and tactics
• Procure players to carry out above strategy
• Pick a side capable of playing together as a team
• Oversee coaching / training schedules in order to improve players technique, capabilities and fitness
• Plan for each game making sure that there are fall back plans for any unexpected ocurrance eg injuries / sending offs etc
• Prepare the team prior to the match ensuring the players are tuned in to how they need to approach the game and to combat any threats from the opposition
• Motivate the players with a message of what is expected
• Support the players from his position on the touchline to especially identify threats and danger from the the opposing team
• Review the situation at half time, re motivate the players and change strategy and personnel as the match dictates
• During the game assess and re assess how the game is unfolding and make any necessary changes in tactics. personnel etc
• Keep in contact throughout the game with coaching and fitness staff to fully understand the mechanics and dynamics of the players during the match

Generally most professional footballers appear to lack the capability of thought and action on ones own volition so yes, they do need their hands holding, an arm around the shoulder , a kick up the arse - whatever it needs!

If there is no pride, determination, passion, self belief or effort then these guys should not be wearing a Sheffield United shirt! but the buck stops at the manager ask Di Matteo, Steve Kean, Henning Berg, Sean O'Driscoll, and all the others that have parted company with their clubs this season!

You get 10/10 for effort on that post. The club should ask you to write up the job description next time it's available.

The only problem with it is that no realistic person can expect someone to fulfill every criteria to maximum effect 100% of the time. In sport you're dealing with variables (i.e. human beings versus other human beings). As a coach, much of your success will depend on the ability of the subject to follow instruction and actually have the desire to go that extra mile. With all the best will in the world and without the benefit of foresight, no amount of positive instruction or coaching can make someone do something they just can't bring themselves to do.

Examples:-
> "Try and get at the full back and take him on a bit more second half"
> "Look for runners and don't be frightened to make a forward pass"
> "Get a big tighter when we lose the ball"

It's all about attitude and having the courage to do things. The manager can only tell them to do things he can't attach puppet strings and control their every movement. I don't believe for one second that he's not telling them to do some of the basic things above because I've seen our players do them before.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Just a question, but as the SMCP rules will drop to 60% next season, should we be working to 65% now or 60%... Why should we be working at the maximum level...

I saw something from the club that said we were operating to 60% because of this.

 

[Fiery Blade]

You get 10/10 for effort on that post. The club should ask you to write up the job description next time it's available.

The only problem with it is that no realistic person can expect someone to fulfill every criteria to maximum effect 100% of the time. In sport you're dealing with variables (i.e. human beings versus other human beings). As a coach, much of your success will depend on the ability of the subject to follow instruction and actually have the desire to go that extra mile. With all the best will in the world and without the benefit of foresight, no amount of positive instruction or coaching can make someone do something they just can't bring themselves to do.

Examples:-
> "Try and get at the full back and take him on a bit more second half"
> "Look for runners and don't be frightened to make a forward pass"
> "Get a big tighter when we lose the ball"

It's all about attitude and having the courage to do things. The manager can only tell them to do things he can't attach puppet strings and control their every movement. I don't believe for one second that he's not telling them to do some of the basic things above because I've seen our players do them before.

Whilst I understand what your'e getting at I still think that the success or failure of a manager is who he can relate to his players and maximise their potential by bringing out the best in one's abilities-
You can't on one hand say that last year Wilson was the manager that brought the best out of Ched Evans and give him the plaudits yet on the other hand say that he can't influence the present lot so it's not his fault!
It's about management - getting the best out of the players at different times and different sets of circumstances!
By bringing on a substitute that you have not picked all season for the last minute of a match when your 0-2 down makes no sense at all!
It does nothing to alter the game, does nothing for the crowd, does nothing for either player involved except perhaps e guy a slug of appearance money!

 

[Micalijo]

that is bollocks it was you that made it a big deal.. i'm simply not as quick to judge as some others on here after one game.. and come off it.. i've been saying we're shit all season.. i merely mentioned it was too early for wrist slitting.
so you are now free to go and slit them.

'merely mentioned it wasn't time for wrist slitting.' You need to revisit that Super - loads of references to bad day at office from you - which was very weird anyway because as you say alot of the times you make alot of sense - ie saying we are a shit side and a joke club.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Yes - poor old Danny, working under the intolerable position of having 65% of 19k crowds to play with - I just don't know how he manages to get a side out every week.

It's actually 65% of 'turnover' which is anybody's guess as to what exactly that is.

The fact of the matter is that he has HAD to move players on on top of the loss of key players in order to balance the books and get new players in resulting in a re-vamped squad of arguably lower quality.

 

[Grecian2000]

resulting in a re-vamped squad of arguably lower quality.

Is anybody actually arguing that it isn't of lower quality?