Wilders worst trait

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JL94x4 said:
Which is my point. We stopped pressing so why not bring a midfielder like besic on to control the game? Instead of a striker.
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If we'd have gone 3 up you would have been raving about the attacking sub. If we'd have brought a midfielder on and still conceded you would have slated Wilder for being too negative. Can't win.
 



It's complete bollocks to say Man Utd looked solid after taking the lead btw. The worst thing they did was try to shut up shop. Like Neville said on commentary, they should've kept attacking. They made the kind of defensive sub you're saying Wilder should've made, and it didn't work.
 
DeanLearner'sCat said:
It's complete bollocks to say Man Utd looked solid after taking the lead btw. The worst thing they did was try to shut up shop. Like Neville said on commentary, they should've kept attacking. They made the kind of defensive sub you're saying Wilder should've made, and it didn't work.
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Bit your comparing players like rashford, martial with mcgoldrick and mcburnie. It's not a comparison.

We were the under dogs today and at 2-0 up the pressure was always gonna be on us. We didnt cope and the subs didnt help that.
 
JL94x4 said:
Dont think you understand. Why do we need a straight swap at 2-0 up with 17mins left? Couldnt have changed shape left didz upfront and see the game out no?
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I understand that you want to pick the bones out of Wilders substitutions when we’ve just conceded some goals...

But as I said, straight swap something which has worked before recently, we close games out from the front. Mousse was injured so why change shape when we’re cruising?
 
Gulpy said:
If we'd have gone 3 up you would have been raving about the attacking sub. If we'd have brought a midfielder on and still conceded you would have slated Wilder for being too negative. Can't win.
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That's a hypothetical situation and not realistic in this discussion..

We were 2-0 up, brought 2 strikers on and went 3-2 down.. I'm confident that we bring a besic or Osborn on we win that game and dont concede 3.
 
JL94x4 said:
Ok mate. Wanting the best for the football club means I'm not a blade. Makes perfect fucking sense.
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We all want the best for the club, most of us don't only see the negatives though.
That's not being bladey blade, it's seeing us going toe to toe with some of the best teams in England & being 6th in the league.
 
don240 said:
We all want the best for the club, most of us don't only see the negatives though.
That's not being bladey blade, it's seeing us going toe to toe with some of the best teams in England & being 6th in the league.
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How is it a negative? I'm saying had we not brought two strikers on we'd have won. It's being realistic. I'm slagging nobody off. My observation of it is we should have won, and ours subs cost us.
 
JL94x4 said:
Subs...

2 strikers come on when were 2-0 up at home to Man Utd.. just see the game out with a couple of midfielders.

Man Utd go 3-2 up and instantly bring a defender on.

That's the difference. Too attack minded when winning these games.
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When you’re about to make a post like this, consider counting to ten and steadying your breathing and ask yourself if there’s a chance you’re about to make yourself look a right tit.
 
JL94x4 said:
Subs...

2 strikers come on when were 2-0 up at home to Man Utd.. just see the game out with a couple of midfielders.

Man Utd go 3-2 up and instantly bring a defender on.

That's the difference. Too attack minded when winning these games.
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I’m surprised you didn’t call them ‘Bottlers’
 
North somerset blade said:
Just look at the gulf in resources between the 2 teams and then just think about how good the result, performance and Sir Chris is ;)
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Get that. But we could be celebrating 3pts instead of 1. Not slagging anyone, just saying my opinion.

Wilder is doing an unbelievable job but he 100% is not exempt from criticism.
 
dc_blade said:
When you’re about to make a post like this, consider counting to ten and steadying your breathing and ask yourself if there’s a chance you’re about to make yourself look a right tit.
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Confused..

How is that gonna change my opinion of today's subs...?
 



Maybe everyones easily pleased. 3-3 at home to Man Utd is a good result, but at 2-0 up with 17mims left should have been a win. I dont give a toss what anyone says about that.
 
JL94x4 said:
Could've brought besic on, Osborne... see the game out at 2-0?

Obviously not... brings mcburnie on. Who wouldnt have been needed at 2-0 so dont give me the rescue act bullshit.
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What utter tripe, how many times have we tried to defend a lead and it's cost us, I guarantee if he had gone ultra defensive and it still finished 3-3 you would be moaning we hadn't stayed offensive, it was a crazy 7 minutes, nothing do to with bloody subs, it happens, jesus christ
 
JL94x4 said:
Subs...

2 strikers come on when were 2-0 up at home to Man Utd.. just see the game out with a couple of midfielders.

Man Utd go 3-2 up and instantly bring a defender on.

That's the difference. Too attack minded when winning these games.
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Have you watched United over the last 3 years? We can't stick a defender on and keep it tight, just can't do it. We've tried and we always concede.

Contrast that to Brentford last season, getting pushed back with 10 men, put a striker on and we push on and get another.

Best form of defence is attack for us, always has been under Wilder.
 
Kev Gee said:
Look.
Sometimes things work, and sometimes they don't. Thats life!
Thankfully Wilders decisions tend to work out for the best most of the time!!
We showed great desire to come back and get a point!
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Very true. But still in future I'd like us to try seeing out games, these are the games you look back on at the end of the season if things dont work out good.

Luckily villa last season turned out to be a blessing, so maybe that will happen again.
 
Just look what happens when you go into the lead and bring on a defender....
 
JL94x4 said:
That's a hypothetical situation and not realistic in this discussion..

We were 2-0 up, brought 2 strikers on and went 3-2 down.. I'm confident that we bring a besic or Osborn on we win that game and dont concede 3.
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Of course it's realistic, as I said, had we brought on a midfielder or defender and conceded you'd be kicking off that we went too defensive and didn't keep the shape. There's not always a sinister architect behind every little thing, shit happens in football.
 
Gulpy said:
Of course it's realistic, as I said, had we brought on a midfielder or defender and conceded you'd be kicking off that we went too defensive and didn't keep the shape. There's not always a sinister architect behind every little thing, shit happens in football.
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Maybe so. But sometimes you have to try different things, weve lost a few through dodgy subs over the last couple years in my opinion.
 
JL94x4 said:
Subs...

2 strikers come on when were 2-0 up at home to Man Utd.. just see the game out with a couple of midfielders.

Man Utd go 3-2 up and instantly bring a defender on.

That's the difference. Too attack minded when winning these games.
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Are you really criticising wilder for being too attack minded (let's consider his record at the Lane for a split second) or just being a bit precious?
 
How many times under wilder have we been winning, brought a defender/midfielder on, changed the shape and it has worked? I can't remember many, if any.
 



JL94x4 said:
Get that. But we could be celebrating 3pts instead of 1. Not slagging anyone, just saying my opinion.

Wilder is doing an unbelievable job but he 100% is not exempt from criticism.
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Different opinions ok and agree missed another 2 points today but make no mistake as always he will learn from this and we’ll come back stronger so my view is just leave him to it. With previous managers I’ve not been as laid back :)
 
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