CONFIRMED Chris Wilder 3.0 - Returns for the third spell.

[SouthStandGBlock]

One bad week. It was awful. Even if we won two of those games we'd not have come 2nd though. Two sides did outstanding points size and we were unlucky with that.

Enjoy the football? I enjoy winning. I "enjoyed" our performance against Bristol city first game of the season in parts. We still fucking lost. In fact we got taken apart.

Functional? I'd cut my legs off for that now!

I remember Bournemouth going up and nobody being that impressed with them. Now look at them. That's where you take the risk not on the cusp of promotion

Bournemouth have shaken the Managerial tree a few times after Eddie Howe left, and have ended up a solid EPL club now. Same as Crystal Palace. Both clubs yo-yo'd between the leagues.

Lots of similarities with our present position.

These are both clubs whose position we are aspiring to get to.......

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Bournemouth have shaken the Managerial tree a few times after Eddie Howe left, and have ended up a solid EPL club now. Same as Crystal Palace. Both clubs yo-yo'd between the leagues.

Lots of similarities with our present position.

These are both clubs whose position we are aspiring to get to.......

Two clubs who evolved in the premier league you mean

 

[54yrblade]

COH took a punt on us, seeing where we were at the time they became involved and the potential PL riches on offer
Wilder and the team last year f*cked it up, along with the off field embarrassments.

Maybe COH didn't look closely enough, or act swiftly enough once they took over. Maybe that was the right time to act? We'll never know now

Either way, hopefully, recent performances, with the back up evidence of the serial failures to win big games last season, encourage some deep thinking and a manager change soon.

We cannot be a 'one man club'. We can, and will move forward, even if it takes a relegation to set us on our way, and that could happen.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

The absolute state of some of the utter tits on this thread and this forum:
"Yes, I know we can't buy a goal or a point, much less a win, and we're mired in the dreck at the foot of the table hurtling relentlessly towards League One, having just had our arses handed to us 5-0 by a team that hadn't had a home win since 2024 until we rolled into town, but I'm still going to sit here and spout utter bollocks about how we're somehow better off in this appalling state, than we were with a proven, successful manager, who had us challenging for promotion."

No, no we're not. We're not remotely better off with this absolute shambles, than we were when we were a competent, functioning football club.

The whole point of football is to win.

To succeed.

To progress.

To move up as far as you can.

Not to lose, fail, regress, and plummet as far as you can, as fast as you can.

Normal football fans understand this basic concept.

But not some sections of our fanbase, oh no.

The only fanbase on the planet, in which significant numbers would apparently rather be losing than winning, would rather be plummeting down the table instead of climbing up it, would rather be in a relegation scrap than a promotion race, as long as the bloke in charge hasn't committed the heinous crime of thumping his badge.

There's no wonder we're in the state we are on the pitch, when we've got so many people in our fanbase refusing to recognise, much less criticise, the self-inflicted cause of our decline and fall.

Indeed, but it wasn't working under previous managers either, it never has. Something fundamental needs to change at the club to do that. Constantly flexing back to the "known" ain't gonna work, even if it does make some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

*edit - it's now clear Sellés isn't the man to do it, but let's look forwards not backwards eh?

 

[SouthStandGBlock]

Two clubs who evolved in the premier league you mean

Perhaps we should have kept Wilder, let him.get us up, then fired him early in the first season in the EPL and built from there.

Bottom line is we don't know why he left the club. It might have been because they wanted a new direction with more AI based analysis on who we signed, maybe a DoF (that hasn't happened), maybe they were bored as well, possibly Wilders ego was the problem - who knows?

The plan is the right one ( to get us to a sustainable EPL club), but they've picked the wrong bloke, and they now need to rectify that.

No amount of hand wringing and wailing will bring Wilder back. And if it does, Christ almighty his ego and stubborn-ness will be off the scale.

They've picked the wrong man to replace him - simples, and they need to rectify this before Monday.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Indeed, but it wasn't working under previous managers either, it never has. Something fundamental needs to change at the club to do that. Constantly flexing back to the "known" ain't gonna work, even if it does make some people feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

*edit - it's now clear Sellés isn't the man to do it, but let's look forwards not backwards eh?

2 promotions to the premier league in a few years is not something that needs fundamental change especially with the current climate of sides not surviving in the premier league.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

2 promotions to the premier league in a few years is not something that needs fundamental change especially with the current climate of sides not surviving in the premier league.

But our previous correspondent said "to succeed, to progress..." is progress then just up every few years or is it an attempt to stay there for a bit? I suppose everyone's view of progress and success is different

 

[Berkshire Blade]

But our previous correspondent said "to succeed, to progress..." is progress then just up every few years or is it an attempt to stay there for a bit? I suppose everyone's view of progress and success is different

Of course the aim should be to establish ourselves in the premier league.

I would argue it's a lot easier to do that when you are actually in it that outside looking in..!

 

[Belvedere Blade]

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Of course the aim should be to establish ourselves in the premier league.

I would argue it's a lot easier to do that when you are actually in it that outside looking in..!

Not if the underlying structures in the background are a bit shit

 

[PrestwichBlade]

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Get im back, Eggin Su has spoken!

 

[metalblade]

I had my doubts when i read Séllés was being considered for the job I never thought it could be this bad though. COH have made phuck up after phuck up. If they wanted to sack Wilder they should have done it on the coach back from Wembley. Then to appoint Séllés but not get any players in beggars belief, a load of panic buys in the last week of the window doesn't make for a good transfer window. I still think Wilder had run his course at the lane but why Séllés when there was plenty of competent managers they could have gone for over the summer?
Make no mistake we are in deep deep shit, clueless owners, clueless manager, a squad of player with no confidence and hearts and brains the size of a pea. Some of the new signings must be wondering what they have come to, some of them can't even make it into the matchday squad. Can the Swedish lad or the Nigerians be any worse than some of this lot? From the day they spunked £10m on Cannon every choice COH have made has been the wrong one, how to destroy a club in a few months, even Chansiri wasn't this quick at destroying the pigs.

 

[ekke287]

This again.

Just because Selles is a problem, Wilder isn’t the solution.

The sooner people realise this, the better.

 

[Dkc]

It was time for him to go… apparently

You must 'look to the future, not the past' apparently.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

This again.

Just because Selles is a problem, Wilder isn’t the solution.

The sooner people realise this, the better.

92 points. Multiple promotions.

The perfect CV

 

[Dkc]

This again.

Just because Selles is a problem, Wilder isn’t the solution.

The sooner people realise this, the better.

If we sack Selles and are still adrift at Christmas with a new manager, will Wilder still 'not be the solution?'

 

[Dkc]

92 points. Multiple promotions.

The perfect CV

But he's a 'dinosaur'. He doesn't even have an iPad in the dugout.

 

[Heffernan’s Tash]

Now that’s the £100 million pounds question. I haven’t got the answer, and I strongly suspect our board is equally as clueless, based on their previous appointment.

Which is why Wilder is the obvious choice now.
Known quantity.

 

[programmechap]

2 promotions to the premier league in a few years is not something that needs fundamental change especially with the current climate of sides not surviving in the premier league.

Indeed.

Having 7 seasons where we never finished below 5th in the 2nd tier and had 3 of those seasons in the PL is the best 7 years United have had in most supporters' lifetime.

 

[I should coco]

He wants sacking just for picking Cannon again. Hendrie hit the nail on the head. No goal threat.

You have to wonder about the professionalism and pride of the players though. They must really want him out.

Supposedly, JLT was the bad egg, who didn't want RS, but it's obviously way deeper than that.

If it's the odd bad apple, you can question those individual players' professionalism, but if the majority aren't playing as he wants, surely you have to look at him. The phrase 'lost the dressing room', is banded about far too readily, but that is exactly what it looked like last night.

On that basis, there is no way back for him.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Indeed.

Having 7 seasons where we never finished below 5th in the 2nd tier and had 3 of those seasons in the PL is the best 7 years United have had in most supporters' lifetime.

Is that our limit then is it?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Is that our limit then is it?

It's a very solid base to build from.

Instead we threw it in the bin

 

[PrestwichBlade]

It's a very solid base to build from.

Instead we threw it in the bin

Is it?!

 

[McGrath]

Got 92 points from a side in rebuild last season.

On a free.


Worth a look

Yeah but he didn't get 110 points and win every game 5 nil, playing total football. So we can't have the nasty man back

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Is it?!

Yes.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Let's be honest, aside from Dyche, who I think most accept wouldn't come here, Wilder is by far the best name of any that have done the rounds.

Forget the "we can't go back" nonsense now, we're properly up shit creek. He's the best option, and we need the best option.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Let's be honest, aside from Dyche, who I think most accept wouldn't come here, Wilder is by far the best name of any that have done the rounds.

Forget the "we can't go back" nonsense now, we're properly up shit creek. He's the best option, and we need the best option.

We need someone a bit more mentally strong, who can get us through the big games and take a more dispassionate view of things.

 

[Working Class Hero]

We need someone a bit more mentally strong, who can get us through the big games and take a more dispassionate view of things.

Who's that though? It can't be anyone even slightly experimental now.

 

[PrestwichBlade]

Who's that though? It can't be anyone even slightly experimental now.

Who knows mate!

 

[Champagneblade]

Not really.

Final year of parachutes.

It probably was the right move to stick with Wilder for this season.

I wanted to stick, but fully understood the reasons for a twist.

In hindsight though, these owners have had a stinker.

Farke was a good barometer. All the hard work was done in the last post season.

In a parallel universe this season needed minimal tweaks to improve upon the shortcomings in the summer.

Get Dunne, which apparently was on. Player of the year for QPR and leader. Makes us strong in an area we lacked cover and depth.

Add Darling to give a better back line than Robbo.

Then replace those who left.

Keep the manager. Retain stability.

Go again, in a potentially weaker league. Boro are shite yet have max points for illustration of this.

But nope. COH knew best. Apart from they didn’t.