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Having slept on it I'm still fuming about yesterday. It was IMO it was just like the Hull debacle. Everyone involved with the first team needs to take a long look at themselves. To be able to turn in a performance like that at the business end of the season, and with what is at stake after 2 very good performances, is beyond belief. I don't care whether it's attitude, motivation, or team selection, they have set standards throughout the majority of the season which shows they have enough to overcome a side as bad as Barnsley were, but looked like they couldn't be bothered. I might get slated for this but I'm furious.
 



Chali 2na said:
What a load of reactionary bullshit. I'm thankful neither of you have anything to do with the management of the team.
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If you want to be a struggling Championship side you stay in that mindset
 
Bruce Tuckman's five stages of the life cycle of a team. Forming, storming, norming, performing & deforming. We started roughly 18mths ago and are now at the 'deforming' stage.
 
Blade59 said:
We need to keep a bit of perspective here. We could and should have won the last three games but didn't because we are not clinical enough in the final third, Yes the strikers do miss chances but will still get 30 goals plus between them this season. The bigger problem is we take to long and make poor decisions when in good positions. Also we don't shoot enough and a priority for me is finding someone who can shoot from outside the box. Not sure anyone has the power or confidence to do this. Whatever happens over the next few games this will have been a good season and exceeded initial expectations. Yes we have run out of steam a bit but with a few tweaks to the squalid I see no reason why we cannot improve next season. No reason to rip the squad apart and start again as some would have you believe.
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Simple for Wilder, go and find the next Deane and we're sorted.
 
him behind you said:
Having slept on it I'm still fuming about yesterday. It was IMO it was just like the Hull debacle. Everyone involved with the first team needs to take a long look at themselves. To be able to turn in a performance like that at the business end of the season, and with what is at stake after 2 very good performances, is beyond belief. I don't care whether it's attitude, motivation, or team selection, they have set standards throughout the majority of the season which shows they have enough to overcome a side as bad as Barnsley were, but looked like they couldn't be bothered. I might get slated for this but I'm furious.
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It shows to me that they are shit scared of succeeding. The players under basset would have ran through the gates of hell for the manager and would take in By one anywhere
This bunch don't have the belief but then again if you tell someone they're not good enough enough times they will eventually believe that

The pressure should be off and we should be playing without fear but unfortunately we look shit scared of what could happen if we really push on
 
Lane Ender said:
If you want to be a struggling Championship side you stay in that mindset
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Maybe in your head.

It's not practical, nor do we have the means, to tear everything up and start again everytime we lose.

Talk of a cull or clear-out is fickle, and makes you look like a child.
 
Chali 2na said:
Maybe in your head.

It's not practical, nor do we have the means, to tear everything up and start again everytime we lose.

Talk of a cull or clear-out is fickle, and makes you look like a child.
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This time next year, if left unchanged, Donaldson will be 35, Clarke 34, Sharp 33, Wright 33, Duffy 33, Holmes 31, Stearman 31, Basham 30, Coutts 30 and C. Evans 30. 10 players. That is genuinely problematic, has been a part of our recent decline in form and needs to be addressed, whether it is referred to a as 'clear out' or 'cull' or whatever.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
This time next year, if left unchanged, Donaldson will be 35, Clarke 34, Sharp 33, Wright 33, Duffy 33, Holmes 31, Stearman 31, Basham 30, Coutts 30 and C. Evans 30. 10 players. That is genuinely problematic, has been a part of our recent decline in form and needs to be addressed, whether is referred to a as 'clear out' or 'cull' or whatever.
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It's clear we need more up front, that much I agree with. Probably 2 strikers to replace Evans and Donaldson.

We will also probably want a right sided defender to compete with Basham, like Carter-Vickers did.

If we've got any change, replacements for Lafftery and Holmes would be nice.

Thats not a cull or a clear-out in my books: probably 5 or 6 signings (assuming we can afford it.)
 
Chali 2na said:
It's clear we need more up front, that much I agree with. Probably 2 strikers to replace Evans and Donaldson.

We will also probably want a right sided defender to compete with Basham, like Carter-Vickers did.

If we've got any change, replacements for Lafftery and Holmes would be nice.

Thats not a cull or a clear-out in my books: probably 5 or 6 signings (assuming we can afford it.)
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A mini cull? ;)
 
In the first half yesterday, Isgrove and Moncur were a real handful, not saying we should make an approach in Summer, but you can bet your bottom dollar someone will.

Even in the second half, we were guilty of running into their half and then slowing or stopping, allowing them to get back.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
This time next year, if left unchanged, Donaldson will be 35, Clarke 34, Sharp 33, Wright 33, Duffy 33, Holmes 31, Stearman 31, Basham 30, Coutts 30 and C. Evans 30. 10 players. That is genuinely problematic, has been a part of our recent decline in form and needs to be addressed, whether it is referred to a as 'clear out' or 'cull' or whatever.
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This! This is an issue...last year, these older players were supposed to get us over the line and secure promotion. Most expected us to strengthen with some proven Championship quality and some younger players with the potential to push on. However, the younger players look terrified to take any sort of responsibility and we’re still reliant on these older heads to seize control. Yesterday, only Duffy was prepared to take the game by the scruff of the neck and impose our play on the opposition...until his introduction, we had been second best. Also, more worryingly, our most effective front two continues to be Clarke and Sharp - a combined age touching 70 (next best, Donaldson increases this by more), with no sign of a viable younger option in the squad. These players should have been bit-part players, but have ended up being the main men again - this is not sustainable moving forwards
 
When does Wilder take some reasonability for bad results? Yes we didn't make a strong start yesterday but Wilder has cost us points this season with decisions and team selections. What he has done has been nothing short of brilliant up to now and as a result he has been lauded and heaped with praise. That doesn't mean he should be above reproach especially if we want to keep progressing. The Hull interview was stupid in my opinion publicly saying the players weren't good enough. It may be a coincidence but confidence has looked low since then especially with players looking to pass rather than shoot rather than. Clarke in the first half of the season was burying every chance now at times he looks scared to shoot. That said Wilder has a habit of making comments like mine look daft.
 
It seems to be a mistake chasing quantity instead of quality.

We have replaced Coutts with Evans. He has won some people over but he’s is poor in my opinion. Doesn’t really add much to the team.

I thought Holmes would be back up for Duffy, but he’s not getting near the team.

Spent months chasing Leonard, but he doesn’t play either.

We can’t spend a lot of money, but there’s wages there. Hanson, Lavery, Wilson, Ched, Don, carruthers. When Coutts is back we won’t need all the midfielders we have either.

It’s key we hold on to Fleck, Super Jack, Knill and Sir Chris.
 



Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
This time next year, if left unchanged, Donaldson will be 35, Clarke 34, Sharp 33, Wright 33, Duffy 33, Holmes 31, Stearman 31, Basham 30, Coutts 30 and C. Evans 30. 10 players. That is genuinely problematic, has been a part of our recent decline in form and needs to be addressed, whether it is referred to a as 'clear out' or 'cull' or whatever.
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What happened to signing younger players with resale value ? The younger players who we have signed don't seem to be up to the job, very worrying half of those ten players legs might have gone next season if nothing else recovery time from playing and injuries increases with age. It all points to a season of struggle if we go with the same players next season, to even do as well as this season we will have to spend a hell of a lot of money. That said attracting and keeping hold of good players will be difficult when they look at that lot who are the wrong side of 30. Lose on Tuesday and we may as well throw the kids in till the end of the season to see if any of them are good enough to make the step up.
 
Chali 2na said:
Maybe in your head.

It's not practical, nor do we have the means, to tear everything up and start again everytime we lose.

Talk of a cull or clear-out is fickle, and makes you look like a child.
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No need for insults fella.
I’m only expressing my views.
I’d not put you down for a reply like that.
 
Lane Ender said:
No need for insults fella.
I’m only expressing my views.
I’d not put you down for a reply like that.
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I didn't mean to insult you, but I just think ripping up and starting again is a bit childish.
 
Maybe the facts are that the group of players we have this season are a team that is good enough to finish just outside the play offs.

I for one think it is a fantastic effort by all concerned.

The real truth in the pudding is seeing how the management team improve the squad to make us a top 6 side.
 
derekacorah said:
Wilder is good as stating when we’ve had a poor performance, the problem is doing something about it. I don’t think he thinks he has good enough players to do so and it’s coming through in a few things he’s said recently. Not exactly motivation.

Before you all start, no I couldn’t do a better job and yes I know we aren’t allowed to criticise him.
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It's quite poignant that of the 4 midfielders he signed in January , 2 hardly play and the other 2 shouldn't really be in the same line-up if Fleck is fit.

We are now stuck with 4 contracts which we could do without and Kevin will be quick to highlight this when Chris goes cap in hand in the next window.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
This time next year, if left unchanged, Donaldson will be 35, Clarke 34, Sharp 33, Wright 33, Duffy 33, Holmes 31, Stearman 31, Basham 30, Coutts 30 and C. Evans 30. 10 players. That is genuinely problematic, has been a part of our recent decline in form and needs to be addressed, whether it is referred to a as 'clear out' or 'cull' or whatever.
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Double like.
Let's call it "succession-planning" , if "clear-out" upsets the dreamers on here.
You know who the dreamers are.
The ones who think we'll do better next season when the plain facts show a steady decline since the Autumn in the rate at which we gather points.
To say nothing of the ownership bollox and the consequent tight summer budget.
Will we acquire another 4 midfielders to improve the quality of our squad ?
 
Chali 2na said:
I didn't mean to insult you, but I just think ripping up and starting again is a bit childish.
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No ripping it up no culls
But the three he brought just aren’t up to it.
For the sake of argument let’s give them a pre season and take it from there
 
Lane Ender said:
No ripping it up no culls
But the three he brought just aren’t up to it.
For the sake of argument let’s give them a pre season and take it from there
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For me, Evan's seems 'up for it' - he just had a poor game against Barnsley.

And while some may have written of Leonard or Holmes, I agree with you that waiting until they've settled, and had a pre-season until is more sensible
 
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