Wilder OUT

[luffenhamblade]

Perhaps, if he loses them all…

Which he hasn’t…

 

[Paulus]

A shot on target before the 70th min, not too much to ask of a Professional Football team at Home.

It doesn’t matter, what counts is wins and points, we got a point.

 

[ATL Recs]

If you are talking about Sunderland in the promotion season, then they were crap for months. They limped into the playoffs and were crap in the final. If you are talking about last season, then it was virtually a completely different team, with an enormous financial outlay.

When Sunderland knew autos were beyond them they prepared for the play offs and found a way to pinch it off Coventry and beat us and let’s be reight the last 30 minutes we were crap embarrassingly crap and the better team won because they weren’t crap in the last third of the game
And played us off the park at the lane with expansive football even though we nicked it
Sunderland also put 2 portfolios together in January one a plan for the next season in the championship and one for the PL both lists had recruitment targets in January
Oh and our form post beating Coventry was worse than Sunderland’s

 

[Houston_Blade]

All that American positivity has worn off on you!!

Did he deserve half a point per boot for doing the laces?!

 

[Houston_Blade]

A shot on target before the 70th min, not too much to ask of a Professional Football team at Home.

Wait until we play West Ham and Burnley. We’ll setup like we’re Mansfield v Man City.

 

[Matlock Blade]

After yesterday's terrible performance I would suggest replacing Chris Wilder with Laura Ingalls Wilder. Surely she'd do a better job?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Did he deserve half a point per boot for doing the laces?!

I'd want proof he'd tied his own laces before administering that 0.5 points!

 

[Houston_Blade]

I'd want proof he'd tied his own laces before administering that 0.5 points!

Come to think of it, I’m not sure he got his boots on the right feet either!

 

[UTB Blade]

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Of course.

That's all Wilder's ever done for this club, blame Selles.

I must have imagined the promotions and managerial awards he's gained with us.

Presumably I'll wake up tomorrow and have a 'Bobby Ewing it was all a dream' moment, and discover that we're still in League One with that tosser Adkins, and that cretin Hammond.

Or maybe I haven't imagined the benefits Wilder has brought to this club, and I'll wake up tomorrow to the realisation that our fanbase is half full of non-Blade wankers who couldn't understand the concept of appreciation if they had it tattooed across their ass.

 

[Sky Blues]

I don’t think anyone wants him replaced with an inept manager.

For me he’s the best person for the job with the idiots in charge that we have. There are loads of managers better than Wilder, but the chance of COH employing one is virtually nil.

Your first line isn't what I said. But the rest was exactly my point.

There's a fine line between getting in the right manager and doing a Leicester. We hit rock bottom but finally got the right manager in Robins. I wouldn't wish L2 with a poor owner on anyone.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Your first line isn't what I said. But the rest was exactly my point.

There's a fine line between getting in the right manager and doing a Leicester. We hit rock bottom but finally got the right manager in Robins. I wouldn't wish L2 with a poor owner on anyone.

I’ve always said Robins would be a good manager for us. Very calm and unassuming bloke.

I also like him because he won me a decent bet when my mate, who was playing for Rotherham at the time, told me to lump on him being their next manager following a call with him and I took the advice.

 

[Nedski]

Of course.

That's all Wilder's ever done for this club, blame Selles.

I must have imagined the promotions and managerial awards he's gained with us.

Presumably I'll wake up tomorrow and have a 'Bobby Ewing it was all a dream' moment, and discover that we're still in League One with that tosser Adkins, and that cretin Hammond.

Or maybe I haven't imagined the benefits Wilder has brought to this club, and I'll wake up tomorrow to the realisation that our fanbase is half full of non-Blade wankers who couldn't understand the concept of appreciation if they had it tattooed across their ass.

Calm down Chris.

The league one and championship promotions along with the first premier league season were by far the best seasons in my 30+ years as a Blade but they seem like a long long time ago now. It was a golden period with an excellent squad with an incredible system that worked brilliantly until it didn't work at all.

Similar to the way Fleck was arguably our greatest ever midfielder before becoming an absolute liability in a short period - of course we appreciate the great times but they are long gone. Wilder doesn't have some sort of divine right to manage us today because of a few brilliant seasons a few years ago.

The football is awful, the signings uninspiring, the sales predictable, and his excuses are just boring now. The board takes some blame, but Chris runs Sheffield United and is highly accountable for the majority of it. I love the man but he doesn't seem to have a clue anymore and we're going nowhere fast while he's in the dugout.

 

[KMC-1889]

Or maybe I haven't imagined the benefits Wilder has brought to this club,

what benefits? He’s made some very average players millionaires, he’s spent tens of millions with agents, he’s got himself a couple of nice payouts while keeping his mates in work.

How has the club benefited? We’ve got memories and a basketful of debt. Oh and the fan park and some led signs.

We’re back at the foot of the championship with a declining squad & horrible style of football, right back where we started in 2016.

 

[luffenhamblade]

what benefits? He’s made some very average players millionaires, he’s spent tens of millions with agents, he’s got himself a couple of nice payouts while keeping his mates in work.

How has the club benefited? We’ve got memories and a basketful of debt. Oh and the fan park and some led signs.

We’re back at the foot of the championship with a declining squad & horrible style of football, right back where we started in 2016.

Ouch and I thought I’d had a bad day!

 

[Valley Blade]

When Sunderland knew autos were beyond them they prepared for the play offs and found a way to pinch it off Coventry and beat us and let’s be reight the last 30 minutes we were crap embarrassingly crap and the better team won because they weren’t crap in the last third of the game
And played us off the park at the lane with expansive football even though we nicked it
Sunderland also put 2 portfolios together in January one a plan for the next season in the championship and one for the PL both lists had recruitment targets in January
Oh and our form post beating Coventry was worse than Sunderland’s

The better team did not win. Conveniently you disregard the 60 minutes previously. Do they not count? And they did not play us off the park at The Lane thats absolute rubbish. They had more of the ball thats it. Over the 46 games they were inferior to us and in the final they were. They got lucky.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

what benefits? He’s made some very average players millionaires, he’s spent tens of millions with agents, he’s got himself a couple of nice payouts while keeping his mates in work.

How has the club benefited? We’ve got memories and a basketful of debt. Oh and the fan park and some led signs.

We’re back at the foot of the championship with a declining squad & horrible style of football, right back where we started in 2016.

Whoa - Chris Tarrant and Chris Wilder are one and the same?!

 

[Jacobsenthecrab]

what benefits? He’s made some very average players millionaires, he’s spent tens of millions with agents, he’s got himself a couple of nice payouts while keeping his mates in work.

How has the club benefited? We’ve got memories and a basketful of debt. Oh and the fan park and some led signs.

We’re back at the foot of the championship with a declining squad & horrible style of football, right back where we started in 2016.

What’s the obsession with money? Footballers earn millions unless we want to sign non-league players?
Managers earn millions it’s just how it is.
Our main issue is that even with PL money we can’t actually pay enough in wages, we identified plenty of players who went on to have good PL careers and we could afford the transfer fees.
However, when it came to wages we were 50% or more lower then what they got elsewhere.
Also what’s the issue with having created memories - isn’t that what footballs about?
I’m yet to hear a set of fans chanting about how strong their balance sheet is!

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I don’t think that the owners are blameless. But Wilder is the coach. He’s supposed to make a group of players, greater than the sum of their parts, by training them in structure and process, as well as making the better individually. He’s also supposed to be able to think on his feet and manage in game, and in season issues, like different teams’ approaches, injuries, game burden etc. if it was just down to signing loads of brilliant players, ANY of us could coach! Of course Hamer and Brooks will be missed, but he’d have to manage it if they had long term injuries.
What I saw in this game, and in plenty of games last season with Hamer and Brooks, is an absence of structure, strategy, style, guile, creativity, speed of thought, fitness… all things that a coach is there to address.
I simply don’t think that Wilder is a good enough coach for the Championship these days.

His last full season with a proper recruitment window saw us finish with over 90 points. If he’d had a full pre‑season last year, we’d be looking at a far stronger squad than the one we’ve ended up with.

From what the inner circles say, the players genuinely rate Wilder. Removing a key figure from a football club can strip the soul out of a training ground, that stuff matters far more than people think. Look at Selles for instance where there were heavy rumours the players didn’t like the staff.

Phillips & Bamford are specifically here because of Wilder, I’d probably say Pecks not forced a move either because of his love for Wilder.

The idea that he’s “not good enough for the Championship” is nonsense. Look around the league: you’d take Wilder over most of the managers in it. Do I think he’d walk into a West Ham, Wolves, or Boro job these days? Probably not. But we’re not operating in that bracket anymore, and that’s the reality.

I’m not saying Wilder is the saviour, but right now I’d rather have a safe pair of hands while the owners are clearly cash‑strapped and dealing with off‑field issues. Stability isn’t glamorous, but it’s exactly what we need.

 

[GeorgeDonis1889]

what benefits? He’s made some very average players millionaires, he’s spent tens of millions with agents, he’s got himself a couple of nice payouts while keeping his mates in work.

How has the club benefited? We’ve got memories and a basketful of debt. Oh and the fan park and some led signs.

We’re back at the foot of the championship with a declining squad & horrible style of football, right back where we started in 2016.

In 2016 we were in league 1. He nearly got us in Europe. Are you really not able to understand how that benefited the club? Do you think we'd be in a better position if we'd never got to the premier league and never had any of the money? You've lost all sense of perspective. You're hysterical.

Anyway only 5 days until you can cheer on Swansea from your sofa.

 

[KMC-1889]

What’s the obsession with money? Footballers earn millions unless we want to sign non-league players?
Managers earn millions it’s just how it is.
Our main issue is that even with PL money we can’t actually pay enough in wages, we identified plenty of players who went on to have good PL careers and we could afford the transfer fees.
However, when it came to wages we were 50% or more lower then what they got elsewhere.
Also what’s the issue with having created memories - isn’t that what footballs about?
I’m yet to hear a set of fans chanting about how strong their balance sheet is!

Because that money presented an opportunity to modernise the club and set us up for the next 15 years, and it’s been squandered on vanity projects.

 

[Nedski]

From what the inner circles say, the players genuinely rate Wilder. Removing a key figure from a football club can strip the soul out of a training ground, that stuff matters far more than people think. Look at Selles for instance where there were heavy rumours the players didn’t like the staff.

Of course they rate him - would you rather have a strict, professional coach keeping tabs on your nutrition, sleep, health, while bringing you in early on game days to prepare? Or Wilder, who leaves you alone as long as you turn up in time for the warm up on match days?

We need a modern coach who values discipline and professionalism. Wilder's old school ways don't work anymore, he needs to adapt or we'll fall way behind. It's evident in the fact our players consistently look unfit, overweight and unable to finish matches.

 

[Zeblades34]

Looking at the squad, you'd actually say it's suited to playing the old system if anything of a back 3/back 5?

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

Of course they rate him - would you rather have a strict, professional coach keeping tabs on your nutrition, sleep, health, while bringing you in early on game days to prepare? Or Wilder, who leaves you alone as long as you turn up in time for the warm up on match days?

We need a modern coach who values discipline and professionalism. Wilder's old school ways don't work anymore, he needs to adapt or we'll fall way behind. It's evident in the fact our players consistently look unfit, overweight and unable to finish matches.

If you don’t think Wilder is strict, then I’m not sure you know much about him. Every ex‑player you hear on podcasts talks about his ruthlessness. We don’t look like an unfit side either, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to there, if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams. Compare his injury record with Hecky’s and it’s night and day. He demands high intensity and tempo, so of course players are going to tire eventually. I genuinely can’t think of a single overweight player in the current squad.

I'm not sure what you mean by getting players in early on game days? They get there around 12.30-1pm. Could you say the alternative view is it would be pretty boring sat at the ground from 11am waiting 4 hours to play.

Selles & Jokanović valued both professionalism and tactical detail.

If your argument was simply that you’d prefer a manager who’s more tactically astute, I’d completely agree. The problem is I have zero confidence that this ownership and board would appoint someone better than what we already have.

Selles openly admitted he wanted to coach and leave recruitment entirely to the club and we all saw how that turned out.

 

[Tarqs]

If you don’t think Wilder is strict, then I’m not sure you know much about him. Every ex‑player you hear on podcasts talks about his ruthlessness. We don’t look like an unfit side either, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to there, if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams. Compare his injury record with Hecky’s and it’s night and day. He demands high intensity and tempo, so of course players are going to tire eventually. I genuinely can’t think of a single overweight player in the current squad.

I'm not sure what you mean by getting players in early on game days? They get there around 12.30-1pm. Could you say the alternative view is it would be pretty boring sat at the ground from 11am waiting 4 hours to play.

Selles & Jokanović valued both professionalism and tactical detail.

If your argument was simply that you’d prefer a manager who’s more tactically astute, I’d completely agree. The problem is I have zero confidence that this ownership and board would appoint someone better than what we already have.

Selles openly admitted he wanted to coach and leave recruitment entirely to the club and we all saw how that turned out.

"if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams."

2016-2020 years, since then it's the polar opposite. A team and players that can't last longer than 60 mins.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

We don’t look like an unfit side either, so I’m not sure what you’re referring to there, if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams.

Have you been in a coma for the past three years?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Go back and watch the play off final against Sunderland to see how fit these recent Wilder teams have been.

When it got to the end of the game we looked fucked. Every single player. Even the substitutes. Absolutely fucked.

Thank God it didn't go to extra time because it could have got embarrassing.

 

[Bladedog]

I don’t think that the owners are blameless. But Wilder is the coach. He’s supposed to make a group of players, greater than the sum of their parts, by training them in structure and process, as well as making the better individually. He’s also supposed to be able to think on his feet and manage in game, and in season issues, like different teams’ approaches, injuries, game burden etc. if it was just down to signing loads of brilliant players, ANY of us could coach! Of course Hamer and Brooks will be missed, but he’d have to manage it if they had long term injuries.
What I saw in this game, and in plenty of games last season with Hamer and Brooks, is an absence of structure, strategy, style, guile, creativity, speed of thought, fitness… all things that a coach is there to address.
I simply don’t think that Wilder is a good enough coach for the Championship these days.

Didn't he say he shouldn't have to coach them...last season..sure someone posted the comment on here.

 

[Nah den]

There was a period on Saturday where he was stood there shouting "Rom, Rom, Rom", a bit like Alan Partridge's "Dan, Dan Dan" scene. Rom didn't hear him so he gave up and Rom never got the tactical or positional advice...

I just don't think he takes the club forward, I can't see it. That's not to say he hasn't done a good job previously but we can't just go on forever with him can we?

Clearly Selles wasn't the right coach for us, but that doesn't mean it's inevitably going to be a failure if we try a young, progressive, hungry manager again.

 

[54yrblade]

"if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams."

2016-2020 years, since then it's the polar opposite. A team and players that can't last longer than 60 mins.

A 100% this.

Those still parroting the line that Chris is still capable of producing fit teams hasn't looked closely at his recent work.

The 16-20 side would run our current squad into the ground and fight them to a standstill.

We are entitled to ask what happened to change him and his attitude to matches.

I'd kill to watch a side like Wilder 1.0 again.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

"if there’s one thing Wilder has always been consistent with, it’s having fit teams."

2016-2020 years, since then it's the polar opposite. A team and players that can't last longer than 60 mins.

I get your point and the sarcasm over my comment, but the only season I felt we could judge him fairly on was 24/25 (the one he had a pre-season), and fitness never struck me as the issue. Tactically, I thought that’s where things went wrong.

Tactically, I don’t think Wilder is a top‑level manager, but the whole point of this thread is about replacing him with someone who can get more out of this squad. I just don’t see many managers who would genuinely do a better job with what we’ve got.