Wilder out

[Tom Bott]

We never looked like a 92 point team last year.

Yet somehow we were.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The table suggests we’ve got the 3rd worst squad in the division, but I refuse to believe that.

Yes, some of the signings have been poor and the squad obviously isn’t as good as last season but we’re losing to teams with worse or similar quality squads as us. That’s on Wilder.

I think those teams have the basics like the ability to run around for an hour. Hamer and Campbell for example clearly have the ability to get in most elevens, but a player with 70% of their ability that is fit game in game out is probably more useful. The shitty thing for us is that it isn't fixable this season. Cooper and Burrows are a mystery ( is Cooper really carrying an injury?). Burrows is clearly underperforming based on last season. I don't think we have a reliable right back at the club . The entral defenders are meh. Tanganga + a gamble, or two gambles if you play a three. Central midfield? A bunch off quality squad players at this level but nobody I'm buzzing to have there. No quality, reliable Leader in there. Up top we have Campbell and that's it really. We can't play him for more than 60 and will struggle to field him in multiple game weeks. I just see a shit show. The bright spark is O'Hare. He's the antidote to the rest of the squad. Stands out like a sore thumb: mobile, energetic, commited, intense, fit.

 

[niktheblade]

Did wilder pick the team? Yes

Did wilder set them up tactically? Yes

Did wilder build the squad? Parlty

Did wilder allow peck to be beaten to the ball by an experienced championship striker? Probably.

Did wilder play a fucking mental ball into his own half as a perfect through ball for morris? No

Did wilder sub matos on at right back for some reason? Yes

Did wilder ask matos to throw himself on the ball like an idiot. No (albeit im yet to be convinced its a handball and not convinced at all that the ref could see it).

The game was partly wilder fuck ups, bit also huge player fuck ups, so im not sold on the "its all wilder" trope

 

[Tom Bott]

Board just appeased the thick minded wilder fan boys by bringing him back.

As opposed to the thick minded Wilder out boys.

So the entire fan base must be thick because they either support Wilder or not.

Lets go QPR and try 21 different managers in 10 years.
How has that worked for them?

Lost 1.4 at home to Ipswich today.

 

[Mokoflynn1]

I’ve just watched the game with my good friends from COH, great people, some say the greatest people.

Anyway, I want to say that today’s result was stolen from us. Stolen by a team of people with sheep in their badges, THATS JUST WEIRD MAN. I bet they’re Biden supporters.

I like Christopher’s style, never accountable, always someone else’s fault. He’s clearly a genius just like me. He needs to replace sleepy Alan though, MAN THERE ARE MORE ANIMATED PEOPLE IN ARLINGTON CEMETERY THAN HIM!!!!!!!!!

I’ve decided to help Christopher out. I’m going to send the National Guard into Coventry for the next game. They’re too successful, I mean everyone calls them Frank Lampard’s Coventry!!!!!!! Egotistical NOT CLASSY!!!!!! You wouldn’t see that from me!!!! Hey Chavo more gold paint in here now or I’ll deport your ass!!!!

Anyway, I digress. There’s too much winning in Coventry, they’re stealing wins. My national guard will address this. The normal law abiding people of Coventry need fear nothing. Well
Things might get a bit more water cannony and a bit more shooty. But you can’t break the law without breaking a few eggs, I think that’s how the saying goes.

Anyway, go fuck yourselves, and God Bless Mar e Largo, it’s a beautiful place, everybody says so.

Hey Vance, don’t talk with your mouthful. Ahhh that’s better…

 

[Mokoflynn1]

I’ve just watched the game with my good friends from COH, great people, some say the greatest people.

Anyway, I want to say that today’s result was stolen from us. Stolen by a team of people with sheep in their badges, THATS JUST WEIRD MAN. I bet they’re Biden supporters.

I like Christopher’s style, never accountable, always someone else’s fault. He’s clearly a genius just like me. He needs to replace sleepy Alan though, MAN THERE ARE MORE ANIMATED PEOPLE IN ARLINGTON CEMETERY THAN HIM!!!!!!!!!

I’ve decided to help Christopher out. I’m going to send the National Guard into Coventry for the next game. They’re too successful, I mean everyone calls them Frank Lampard’s Coventry!!!!!!! Egotistical NOT CLASSY!!!!!! You wouldn’t see that from me!!!! Hey Chavo more gold paint in here now or I’ll deport your ass!!!!

Anyway, I digress. There’s too much winning in Coventry, they’re stealing wins. My national guard will address this. The normal law abiding people of Coventry need fear nothing. Well
Things might get a bit more water cannony and a bit more shooty. But you can’t break the law without breaking a few eggs, I think that’s how the saying goes.

Anyway, go fuck yourselves, and God Bless Mar e Largo, it’s a beautiful place, everybody says so.

Hey Vance, don’t talk with your mouthful. Ahhh that’s better…

 

[Mokoflynn1]

The best ever post on here for certain.

 

[Mokoflynn1]

The best ever post on here for certain.

I was laughing so much I ended up posting 3 attempts to respond.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

You can’t criticise Wilder, Wit says he is the messiah so…

 

[PrestwichBlade]

A frankly stupid narrative seems to have developed amongst some since the summer that Wilder is the only manager we could attract that could possibly be successful with us. Obviously that isn’t the case, but if it was, what an extremely negative picture that paints of the club. It’s a loser’s view.

It was a mistake to bring him back on both occasions, but that’s on the respective owners who made those decisions. The day is coming, probably next summer, when we are going to have to finally move on from him. Until then, the club won’t move forwards. But I really feel for the next manager who will be on a hiding to nothing with a big chunk of the fans, no matter who it is.

Honestly Nick Jansky I think we share similar viewpoints, but I think we have to take a ripping plaster approach. Do it now, What's the perfect time? If Wilder keeps us up, then there's the clamour to keep him. We have to change and can't keep going like this

 

[Younger Dryas Blade]

Just listened to his post match interview. This is not the same person that took us from L1 strugglers to an EPL top half team.
He's too nice, too passive, too apologetic but most concerning of all he's totally delusional. He used to call it straight down the middle and would equally praise or call out players. This guy is a shell of his former self. He looked broken tonight, a man that doesn't seem to know where to turn next, someone that has no idea on how to correct this abysmal situation.

 

[Half Bond Jls]

I was laughing so much I ended up posting 3 attempts to respond.

You can say that again.

 

[Torrix1889]

Board are absolutely fucking clueless.....

They certainly are, they bought back a fucking dinosaur of a manager who will end up leaving us exactly where he found us. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Given that the impact of Wilder's coaching today was Peck giving away a goal immediately after half time and Matos conceding a penalty seconds after being put on out of position and being easily skinned by their wing back, I'm not sure that's a great example of Wilder's coaching, unless his last words to them was go out there and fuck it up.

The squad isn't depleted, it'd bloated, too much dross for him to tinker with, especially in central midfield but the only player he signed is a central misfielder.

About the only thing the board appear to actually have got right was sacking Wilder. Failing to sack Bettis as well and not putting someone vaguely competent in charge instead was their big mistake.

IK understand and respect your perspective. I should, of course, have said the quality had been depleted; I'm well aware we had a supermarket trolley dash at the end of the window. My perspective is that it was the CW sacking caused by the select group who just can't stand Wilder that has caused our current woes. The grass is not always greener.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Lets make Sheffield United great again.

M-SUGA - that's sweet.

 

[Montymagic]

We need some footballers for Christmas not this load of crap

And I'm not sure I want wilder at the purse stings.

If we have a purse...

 

[luffenhamblade]

A frankly stupid narrative seems to have developed amongst some since the summer that Wilder is the only manager we could attract that could possibly be successful with us. Obviously that isn’t the case, but if it was, what an extremely negative picture that paints of the club. It’s a loser’s view.

It was a mistake to bring him back on both occasions, but that’s on the respective owners who made those decisions. The day is coming, probably next summer, when we are going to have to finally move on from him. Until then, the club won’t move forwards. But I really feel for the next manager who will be on a hiding to nothing with a big chunk of the fans, no matter who it is.

That would be stupid, yes, but it is not stupid to think he is the best manager for us at this time. That's not a loser's view, it's a perfectly reasonable view. I'm not suggesting I'm correct, but neither should others who present their views as if they are facts.

 

[harrry1990s]

Problem.is simple. Nothing up front.

And not very good at defending.
Controversial, but I think the midfield is okay - but there’s not much they can actually do when there no one behind and nothing in front.

 

[luffenhamblade]

And I'm not sure I want wilder at the purse stings.

If we have a purse...

I know Cannon will come back at me (queue backfiring jokes), but I do think overall Wilders' purchases have been rather better over time than what seemed like a farce to me in the summer window.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Wilder is probably set for life financially now, where as when he took over in 2016 he probably wouldnt have been.

He spends most of his spare time getting blavvered and has been on a downward spiral since March 2020.

He wont resign as hes getting paid lots of brass to do a piss poor job. They won't sack him cos they begged him to come back.

So like the country with Keir we are stuck for at least another 4 years.

 

[Zero dark thirty]

Wilder is probably set for life financially now, where as when he took over in 2016 he probably wouldnt have been.

He spends most of his spare time getting blavvered and has been on a downward spiral since March 2020.

He wont resign as hes getting paid lots of brass to do a piss poor job. They won't sack him cos they begged him to come back.

So like the country with Keir we are stuck for at least another 4 years.

Could they afford to sack him and pay a new manager to come in.

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

Question for any wilder apologists, what does he bring to every game? Where is the man management, motivation, tactical insight, in game management?

 

[John Street West Terrace]

What a shit show we are as a fan base .. keep sacking every Cnut because that’s the answer ? ..fuck me I’ve seen us when we were proper bobar &. Now we have some proper entitled social media darlings .. embarrassing

 

[The Crab]

IK understand and respect your perspective. I should, of course, have said the quality had been depleted; I'm well aware we had a supermarket trolley dash at the end of the window. My perspective is that it was the CW sacking caused by the select group who just can't stand Wilder that has caused our current woes. The grass is not always greener.

So it’s the fault of those of us who had reservations?

Wow, just wow

 

[Nelson1889]

As opposed to the thick minded Wilder out boys.

So the entire fan base must be thick because they either support Wilder or not.

Lets go QPR and try 21 different managers in 10 years.
How has that worked for them?

Lost 1.4 at home to Ipswich today.

Going to hazard a guess you're in the thick minded wilder fan boy group then?

Be interested to know what the fascination is with keeping him at this point in your opinion.

I don't remember this clamour from Bassett or Warnock to be reinstated as soon as their predecessors turned out not to be the right choice but for some bizarre reason Wilder is seen as the second coming by a diminishing proportion of our fan base

 

[Nick Jansky]

Honestly Nick Jansky I think we share similar viewpoints, but I think we have to take a ripping plaster approach. Do it now, What's the perfect time? If Wilder keeps us up, then there's the clamour to keep him. We have to change and can't keep going like this

Bettis stated that he will be here for this season. I can see the sense in that. I wouldn’t be letting him have money to buy players in January, but he should be able to do enough in the loan market to keep us up. I also think we’ll scrape enough wins in the next two months not to be adrift.

But planning for next summer needs to be happening now.

 

[John Street West Terrace]

The fickleness of some of our fan base is beyond belief ., fuck me if they’d seen us when we were really shit they’d be suicidal

 

[UddersBlade]

The fickleness of some of our fan base is beyond belief ., fuck me if they’d seen us when we were really shit they’d be suicidal

Spot on…..some of are old enough to have been present at some proper shit games……Swindon Town away in 1981 springs to my mind - hammered away 5-2 in our 3rd Division relegation season!

 

[blades_95]

His post-match comments again very concerning - that same stubborn streak & not taking accountability that we saw last season is clearly still there.

We’re churning out the same insipid performances week after week - there’s no improvement in style, individuals or fitness (O’Hare aside) even when we have a week or two to prepare. Unfortunately I can’t think of many players Wilder has improved in the last 2 years.

Don’t get me wrong the squad & balance of the squad is poor, but they don’t look well coached & we keep being told it’s ’not the system’ - I’d love to know what the system is!! There are worse squads than ours in the division but at the minute they’re being coached better than ours to try and get results.

On another note, 0 draws is a really concerning stat after 13 games and shows our mental fragility. If we can’t win, don’t lose so we can at least build up a bit of a run of being hard to beat, but we fold so easily under pressure.

 

[RAP51]

Just listened to his post match interview. This is not the same person that took us from L1 strugglers to an EPL top half team.
He's too nice, too passive, too apologetic but most concerning of all he's totally delusional. He used to call it straight down the middle and would equally praise or call out players. This guy is a shell of his former self. He looked broken tonight, a man that doesn't seem to know where to turn next, someone that has no idea on how to correct this abysmal situation.

I agree with you. When Wilder first came he was a breath of fresh air. Completely revamped the squad, introduced some innovative tactics, moved out the dead wood and gave us some great times.
Tonight he looked a scruffy down and out with no idea what to do next. The players are bereft of confidence, scared and weak. The players have to take their share of the blame, so does Wilder. Surely we should have effective plans to deal with Morris at a corner. Bringing Matos on at right back was a joke.
He made some correct decisions today by leaving Cannon and Barry out of the squad although I wonder if that was courage or just throwing them under the bus to deflect criticism away from himself.
He really needs to take a look at himself and try to inject some urgency, drive and enthusiasm into the players.
Let's not kid ourselves, we are in a relegation fight and at the present time are showing few signs that we are good enough to get out of it.