Wilder on the boardroom struggle

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Maidenhead said:
And if the Prince gets rid of McCabe how do you know that he is in any better position to invest more?

For the record I'm ambivalent about who wins that war, I just hope that it's the best one to move us forward but like every one else on this board I have no idea which one that is.
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I'm pretty sure non of us do.
 

Maidenhead said:
If you're happy to budget to be a yoyo club for a few years then it can bring longer term benefits but how many people can you see on here saying "yep, we'll accept one season up so we can build for the future"?

It will be "well if we're going to sign anyone and accept relegation then I'll not be going"

I have to say that I've no idea what the accounts of the teams you mention actually look like, I'm just surmising based on the actions of your average football chairman and demands of fans.
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Plenty on Burnley, this is just a quick example.

The example It’s at odds with what is happening at Burnley.

The Clarets should be held up as an example of what can be done with patience and a plan. They should be treated as an inspiration rather than an exception to the rule. Alongside Pep Guardiola, Sean Dyche should be the frontrunner for the manager of the year award. He may not win plaudits for his gruff voice and straight-forward thinking, but he can both manage and coach. Dyche took Burnley into the Premier League in 2014 despite the club being one of the favourites for the drop. They went straight back down, many at the club admitting the promotion came too quick in the club’s development under the Englishman. How Burnley went from the brink of collapse to ‘best of the rest’ But when they did go back into the Championship Burnley stuck with Dyche and gave him freedom to bring both the team and club forward. Money wasn’t thrown around. It was invested wisely in a squad of players which remained intact over three seasons. A second promotion was won in three years, and since coming back to the Premier League, they have built steadily.

Quality players with the correct attitude to fit the club’s ethos have been added, all the while the club have maintained a modest budget with a reported average weekly wage of £18,000. Dyche has made that work go further through studious work on the training ground. No one expects to see thrilling goalfests at Burnley – only Swansea City have scored fewer in the league.

But for fans of diligent and intelligent defending, organisation and structure, the Clarets are a must watch, having only conceded more than the two Manchester clubs. Sean Dyche denies eating worms – but what he does with them is arguably even weirder It would be no surprise if Burnley were Diego Simeone’s favourite side not named Atletico Madrid.

Looking at the league table only two sides look capable of following suit. Crystal Palace under Roy Hodgson and Chris Hughton’s Brighton. Bournemouth, meanwhile, have stuck by Eddie Howe, who is aiming for a similar result as Burnley but with different methods.
 
Ainsley Harriott said:
Why did he? Answer your own question. Are you saying Prince ain’t bothered any more?

KM took Prince on board. Prince and KM are allegedly in court. Why?

Rumours are that KM is overvaluing the assets.
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Highly unlikely any shareholders agreement wouldnt have decided how the assets would be valued at any point, by someone independent. That's leaves the share value to be argued about and whatever the agreement said about buying everything lock stock and barrel or not.

So that's one rumour that can probably be put to bed.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Plenty on Burnley, this is just a quick example.

The example It’s at odds with what is happening at Burnley.

The Clarets should be held up as an example of what can be done with patience and a plan. They should be treated as an inspiration rather than an exception to the rule. Alongside Pep Guardiola, Sean Dyche should be the frontrunner for the manager of the year award. He may not win plaudits for his gruff voice and straight-forward thinking, but he can both manage and coach. Dyche took Burnley into the Premier League in 2014 despite the club being one of the favourites for the drop. They went straight back down, many at the club admitting the promotion came too quick in the club’s development under the Englishman. How Burnley went from the brink of collapse to ‘best of the rest’ But when they did go back into the Championship Burnley stuck with Dyche and gave him freedom to bring both the team and club forward. Money wasn’t thrown around. It was invested wisely in a squad of players which remained intact over three seasons. A second promotion was won in three years, and since coming back to the Premier League, they have built steadily.

Quality players with the correct attitude to fit the club’s ethos have been added, all the while the club have maintained a modest budget with a reported average weekly wage of £18,000. Dyche has made that work go further through studious work on the training ground. No one expects to see thrilling goalfests at Burnley – only Swansea City have scored fewer in the league.

But for fans of diligent and intelligent defending, organisation and structure, the Clarets are a must watch, having only conceded more than the two Manchester clubs. Sean Dyche denies eating worms – but what he does with them is arguably even weirder It would be no surprise if Burnley were Diego Simeone’s favourite side not named Atletico Madrid.

Looking at the league table only two sides look capable of following suit. Crystal Palace under Roy Hodgson and Chris Hughton’s Brighton. Bournemouth, meanwhile, have stuck by Eddie Howe, who is aiming for a similar result as Burnley but with different methods.
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A great example to follow.

They made £30m profit from their one year stay, and they made £20m last year following a small loss the year before but the question remains, would our fans accept a one year stay for a profit of £30m?

In that scenario it is imperative that you get a quick return to the top level or you risk ending up looking like Sheff Utd, Barnsley, Blackpool, Bradford or Portsmouth
 
Another one:

Few men are better qualified to answer this question than Mike Garlick. The Burnley chairman was at the helm when the Clarets were relegated after a single season in the Premier League last time out; now, after watching his side clamber out of the Championship at the first time of asking last weekend, he can look forward to another crack at top-flight football when August rolls around. Burnley will do so in rude financial health and with the same manager who took them there in the first place back in May 2014, Sean Dyche.

The playing staff haven't markedly changed either, although as Garlick tells FFT, relegation inevitably means some players will move on.

“We did lose three of our best players when we went down. Kieran Trippier went to Spurs, Danny Ings went to Liverpool and we sold Jason Shackell to Derby,” he says. “But we brought in some very good players too in Andre Gray and Joey Barton.

“We’ve managed to trade quite well and the squad has managed to evolve rather than fundamentally change beyond all recognition. I think the problem is that a lot of sides, when they go down, have to have a total clear-out to reduce their costs. Because we’ve been relatively cautious we didn’t have to do that.”

There will, of course, be fans baying for money to be spent on strengthening the playing squad but few Burnley fans would argue against the fact that the club’s relative parsimony in the Premier League a year ago has left them in a far better financial state to compete next season. The Clarets reported profits of over £30m for the financial year ending June 2015 and, with the sums on offer next season, the club’s near-financial collapse in the 1980s has never seemed so distant.

Sad thing is I'm sure SUFC would not have been so successful if we'd won that day at Wembley.
 
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The pair of them need to get their act sorted out. They are risking ruining the best years we have had for a long time, through petty squabbling. Pair of business men, my arse.
 
Worksop II said:
£17 million to date, it's in the accounts, that a fuckin huge mirror

McCabe as you admit, needed financial help to get out of League 1, if he gets rid of Princey, how does he pay for the Championship .....

Never mind going forward ....

In 20 Seasons

1 int PL

6 int League 1

Epic
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£17 million to date is fuck all for running a football club these days.
£17 million over how many seasons.....5?/6?
So £2.8 - £3.4 million a season.
That’s a fucking small mirror and a lot of smoke if you break it down.

I wouldn’t be surprised if McCabe has someone else lined up to be honest. It would make sense. He knows he wants to get out of the game as he is getting older and wants to wind down. His Simon and Scott McCabe don’t seem to have as much interest as Kevin has had.
Why else try and force the hand of Abdullah if you didn’t have a back up in place in the event that he somehow managed to crowbar him out of the club?

As I reiterate. Abdullah has demonstrated nothing at all to back up the fanfare of his arrival a good few years ago. So much for the “substantial new capital” (quoted when he arrived at the club) with the aim of returning to the PL as quickly as possible.

You point to the past seasons in allusion to going forward but I ask - where would we be now if McCabe hasn’t taken over and we were left to the likes of McDonald and his henchmen Charles Green? I’d say that record would have been a shite side worse and no PL, or countless top end championship finishes to that end either.

I’m not defending the mistakes McCabe has made but let’s be truthful here, we have had far far worse in charge of this club - there isn’t no denying it - and we’d have certainly found ourselves in a much worse situation over the years McCabe has been at the top.
 
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Maidenhead said:
A great example to follow.

They made £30m profit from their one year stay, and they made £20m last year following a small loss the year before but the question remains, would our fans accept a one year stay for a profit of £30m?

In that scenario it is imperative that you get a quick return to the top level or you risk ending up looking like Sheff Utd, Barnsley, Blackpool, Bradford or Portsmouth
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I'm sure that when they beat us the general direction was to accept that relegation was the most likely outcome the next season but the plan was to stabilise the club and their fans seemed to buy into it.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
Whilst McC has the club in his heart and he has sunk £M's in he has not been too successful overall.
Shame for the guy, it must break his heart. We have had some good times and for that we must thank McC but this horse seems to have run its race.

The real problem we have is in the last sentence, going forwards McC needs to sell, either to HRH or someone else.
What future that would give us who knows?

I'm sure that sticking with Kev though will only see us go backwards because he hasn't got the £M's to do it again.

It was a good effort Kev but time to move on lad.
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I agree with that but as I have just posted above, I believe that he has made this move to force Abdullah’s hand because he will have have something/someone else lined up who has the resources to actually go forwards with us.
Otherwise, he’d have probably pulled out ages ago.

It’s unfortunate that we are hearing nothing at all which is causing all sorts of confusion and rumours.
 
Clarkey87 said:
I agree with that but as I have just posted above, I believe that he has made this move to force Abdullah’s hand because he will have have something/someone else lined up who has the resources to actually go forwards with us.
Otherwise, he’d have probably pulled out ages ago. .
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I have good reason to believe you are right, but no evidence to support that view.
 
Dkc said:
Doesn't appear as though the Prince has the money
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I don’t think that’s necessarily the case, but if you’ve agreed a pre-agreed sums of investment which your JV partner matches, why would you invest more? You’d be putting more cash in but for no more control. Doesn’t make sense.

It’s all speculation I guess!
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
I'm sure that when they beat us the general direction was to accept that relegation was the most likely outcome the next season but the plan was to stabilise the club and their fans seemed to buy into it.
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It could be that 20 - 22,000 of our fans would do the same - even if 8 or 9 on this forum wouldnt :)
 

Harrisblade said:
It could be that 20 - 22,000 of our fans would do the same - even if 8 or 9 on this forum wouldnt :)
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If we'd been on the brink as much as Burnley had then I'm sure even the 8/9 on here would join in.

Can't remember if it was on Talksport or R5 but there was an interview with someone from Burnley looking back at Burnley's financial situation on the day they beat us along the lines that the biggest story that day wouldn't have been SUFC winning the richest game in the world but Burnley filing for bankruptcy at 6.30pm that day if they had lost.
 
After reading comments for the last 24 hours, I can only assume that I'm not as emotionally engaged as a lot of people seem to be.

The comments from Wilder were an obvious nod to the board to sort out whatever is happening but with no other information to go on, rumours and agenda have taken over. I'd like to think that both men at the top have the clubs interest at heart for maybe wildly differing reasons.

Further than that, I don't feel that getting involved with protests or discussions on 'what ifs' are what's needed from me at the moment.

More information will be forthcoming and at that point, I as a supporter will be able to make more informed comments or be in a position to push any concerns to the people in charge for specific answers.

Until then, I will keep my powder dry because what's the point of being outraged over what random people on the interwebz say?
 
Pierre's PC said:
After reading comments for the last 24 hours, I can only assume that I'm not as emotionally engaged as a lot of people seem to be.

The comments from Wilder were an obvious nod to the board to sort out whatever is happening but with no other information to go on, rumours and agenda have taken over. I'd like to think that both men at the top have the clubs interest at heart for maybe wildly differing reasons.

Further than that, I don't feel that getting involved with protests or discussions on 'what ifs' are what's needed from me at the moment.

More information will be forthcoming and at that point, I as a supporter will be able to make more informed comments or be in a position to push any concerns to the people in charge for specific answers.

Until then, I will keep my powder dry because what's the point of being outraged over what random people on the interwebz say?
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So you aren't cutting up your season ticket yet then?
 
Sean Thornton said:
What about a hair shirt?
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It's a Sunday so....

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From listening to the inteview you can tell CW was clearly emotional, and was wearing his heart on his sleeve. He did promise he would have his say at the end of the season, and has been true to his word. Maybe, given the emotions of post-match interviews, he went a bit further the he would have in the midweek interview. But it's done now.

He knows he has the backing of the fans, he knows his stock is high right now and it's clever by him - it puts the onus fully on the board.

I still stand by my original post on this thread - the tw@ts in the boardroom need calling out. Their actions could really undermine the progress being made. If they do and CW leaves, I think the wrath they will face will be intense.
 
Keen Blade said:
You are miles off beam here.
You completely miss the point that Wilder is
1. A true Blade.
2. Totally correct to call out the farcical ownership wrangle.
3. A breath of fresh air for all Blades because he is the straightest talking and most positive manager of the 8 or 9 since Colin.
You must live on another planet if you thought he would not offer his HONEST assessment of where we are as a Club at the end of a season in which
A) we were top in November and had a great chance for autos
B) the owners couldn't grasp the unique opportunity , gave no real cash in January , never spent the money to replace Coutts and get a fresh pair of legs up front
C) as a consequence were responsible for the season petering out , despite the best efforts of management & players to keep pulling rabbits out of hats on the 5th lowest budget.
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I don't disagree with any of that, my real point was that it is always dangerous to speak with emotion and put your job on the line,
it could lead to a point of no return from the employers perspective which then leads to lose lose situation for everybody concerned.

On getting fresh legs up front, it was his choice of players that has led to having his signings sat on the bench instead of "a fresh pair of legs up front" when everybody knew that is what we needed, maybe he has strategy behind his signings, maybe he needs to explain what that strategy is since he is so good at "telling it like it is" - just a thought.
 
chesblade said:
Can't believe some are having a dig at Wilder. I'm Sure in his interview he admitted making mistakes but this is a learn curve. 1st time in the championship for him and majority of players. It's ok for owners to go on about being in the premiership but you can't do it on a shoestring. You can try but eventually you have to spend to get where you want to be. The lack of quality in the final 3rd has proved this
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Exactly. This stuff about Wilder just deflecting is total bollocks imho.

He was honest about his own contribution. The tone of his interview is about going forward not why we didn't make the top 6.
 
Sean Thornton said:
Yes. The point however is that no one has used the actual phrase to suggest that's what we should do. Some find it attractive to use as a stick to beat other fans with, who don't agree with constant negativity. It's a falsehood.
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Sean - that’s not correct, there was a debate in another thread where a certain prominent poster on this forum stated staying in the Championship was a more favourable option than seeking promotion to the PL
 

Deaneandagana said:
Sean - that’s not correct, there was a debate in another thread where a certain prominent poster on this forum stated staying in the Championship was a more favourable option than seeking promotion to the PL
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That's not the same as "accepting mediocrity" though. Was the context that the team wasn't good enough for example? Be interesting to see it.

I still maintain no one has stated they are happy to accept mediocrity, in those exact words or others similar.
 
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