Wilder on Ched

[FMBlade1]

Another obsessive.

Playing the poster not the post again? No coherent arguments as usual, you're blinded

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Playing the poster not the post again? No coherent arguments as usual, you're blinded

 

[FMBlade1]

Followed by an unfunny meme you really are in form

So what makes you think that Wilder didn't actively want Ched without suggestions from the board?

Your answers amuse me

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Followed by an unfunny meme you really are in form

So what makes you think that Wilder didn't actively want Ched without suggestions from the board?

Your answers amuse me

Trying to watch basketball, mate. Go and pester someone else.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Another obsessive.

Great comeback. Are you going to the Press about it?

 

[FMBlade1]

Great comeback. Are you going to the Press about it?

It's funny how he calls everyone who disagrees with him regarding the Ched Evans issue 'obsessive' despite him commenting about it as much as the rest of us

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Correlation does not imply causation

No, it doesn't.
But in this case it's impossible to separate a long-running relationship the top bods at the club have had with Evans and Wilder now signing him.
This thread is also a good example of why it wasn't a good idea to resign him.

 

[knowsnowt]

Online porn.
Treat yourselves.
That is all.

 

[Kryten]

Online porn.
Treat yourselves.
That is all.

I just treated myself and took your advice and looked up some of this "online porn" as you call it! Could you please narrow it down as it seems there are lots and lots of different kinds to choose from and it can be quite confusing....the little people section seems fun though!

 

[FMBlade1]

No, it doesn't.
But in this case it's impossible to separate a long-running relationship the top bods at the club have had with Evans and Wilder now signing him.
This thread is also a good example of why it wasn't a good idea to resign him.

So our transfer policy should be dictated on whether a handful of 'obsessives' will bicker with each other on an internet forum?

And pray tell me why Wilder wouldn't/couldn't have independently signed Evans? He says that signing him had a special appeal because he had something to prove and he scored 35 goals when he was last here. You might think that's a duff argument, but its why Wilder bought him and 'ultimately' (meaning 'most important fact in the discussion) it was entirely his decision.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Online porn.
Treat yourselves.
That is all.

The great thing about having two screens is you can watch pr0n AND tell someone they are wrong on the interwebz at the same time while performing pretty much the same actions to each.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I just treated myself and took your advice and looked up some of this "online porn" as you call it! Could you please narrow it down as it seems there are lots and lots of different kinds to choose from and it can be quite confusing....the little people section seems fun though!

Google Rhyl and Ched.

 

[FMBlade1]

On another point, was it not an 'unarguable fact' that our chief executive said 'There's no way in a million years' that we would be resigning Ched Evans at a fans forum sometime last November?

I remember it being raised by the same people against his return. I guess that must have been a lie now then? Or was it true that the board had no intention of signing him?

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Wilder bought him and 'ultimately' (meaning 'most important fact in the discussion) it was entirely his decision.

Ultimately also means the final, the last, and it has been your (and others') insistence on certain, specific interpretations of a handful of words - in Wilder's interview and from posters comments on this thread, which have created this argument. Only one person has suggested that it wasn't Wilder's decision. Everybody else fundamentally agrees that it is Wilder's decision to sign Evans.

Even your own link to the meaning of the word in Collins dictionary has two meanings and you've chosen to focus on just one.

'You use ultimately to indicate that what you are saying is the most important point in a discussion.'

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ultimately which is clearly what Wilder meant, that the most important point is that this is 100% his signing and had 0% to do with the board

The other meaning is "Ultimately means finally, after a long and often complicated series of events."

Using a dictionary to prove what someone has said is not something I subscribe to and don't think is a good idea, but it is what you are doing; Chambers dictrionary also says "ultimately" the adverb means "in the end; finally" (and doesn't mention "most importantly".)

So his use of that word could very easily mean it was a long and complex process involving many people but in the end it was Wilder's decision.
I have no idea why that is a problem for you or why you are insisting on mis-interpreting what people are saying.

I can only repeat what FannyMagnet said: This thread is silly.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Translation: 'I realize that my argument (that has no evidence just 'I believe') that I have copied from a so-called in the know is flaky, so I'm just going to pass the buck and refer the flak I'm getting to him instead'

Dkc says the exact opposite to the above, why don't you believe him instead? I've given you the definition of the word ultimately which is 'the most important fact of the situation' which means that it was Wilder's signing clearly taken in context.

Yet you are determined to 1. infer that he is a liar 2. believe a theory which has no evidence that the board put forward this signing

This is important, because if he flops and unsubstantiated bullshit like this spreads around it will create a really toxic atmosphere, so it cannot be left unchallenged.

In the past, I’ve argued long and hard with Alfreton14Blade about Ched as we have different views on the matter. I’ve also defended you at times when others have lambasted your ‘obsession’ with Ched but on this occasion, you are talking shit.


You’ve said yourself ‘ultimately’ means the most important factor, not the only factor. ‘Entirely’ might have made it sound like it was all Wilder’s doing as opposed to ‘ultimately’ which simply tells us that if he wasn’t on board, it wouldn’t have happened. Everything in Wilder’s comments tells us that he was on board with the decision to sign Evans and that he had the power to stop it happening if he wished it so. Nobody is disputing that. As has been mentioned, we have no conclusive evidence either way as to who first initiated the talks. You could make an argument for it being either Wilder (football manager identifies and signs player as normal) or McCabe (given the protracted history and previous attempts to do this deal coupled with his gleeful comments to the media before the deal was even finalized). We know that McCabe hasn’t ridden roughshod over Wilder to make this happen. And that’s good enough for me. We don’t categorically know that McCabe hasn’t put it to Wilder in the first instance. That remains plausible and posters are entitled to believe that was likely to have been the case. Personally, I don’t particularly care whether the chicken or egg came first in this matter. All I care about is that Wilder is happy with it and believes he can make use of Evans. And I think, despite his own reservations over Evans, Alfreton14Blade is accepting that too.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

And also with others who've got no intention whatsoever of attempting to "shit all over" Chris Wilder, clearly.

As for the faux-naive "where was I lying" bollocks, read what you wrote again.

Why the need for all this, fuck only knows. There were endless hours of it yesterday.

As I've suggested, if you're burning for an argument about this, then take it up with other posters who've made similar points to mine.

Oi!

Behave or it’ll be Argos for you!

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Wilder's statement also means it was NOT put forward by the board to him.
.

No, it doesn’t. It simply means that it wasn’t forced on him and he had the power to make the final decision on it. Being able to see that doesn't mean one is calling him a liar.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Correlation does not imply causation

Statisticians will tell you that depending on the percentage hypothesis threshold being met that correlation does in fact imply (though not guarantee) causation.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

So is this how it is going to be from now on - if anyone refuses to interpret Wilder's holy utterings as something pure and absolute, they are going to be vilified and punished?

Some people simply think that our previous connection to Evans and McCabe's relationship with him may have opened / probably did open the door to his re-signing, may have pointed Wilder in that direction and/or it could have been as good as lined up just waiting for the nod from Wilder. None of that means it wasn't Wilder's decision, which is all he's said.

Wilder's done fantastically well so far, better than anyone could have imagined, but putting him on that sort of pedastal might cause problems going forwards. He's bound to make mistakes and he's bound to say things in interviews which don't quite add up, people are going to have varying opinions on that and there are going to be some lively arguements if some people refuse to allow the slightest dissent.

Wilder said he wouldn’t play Matt Done at LWB and that he wouldn’t play Bash at centre half to much applause at the time.


The lying bastard is already dead to me. It’s clear he desperately tried to stop the Evans signing but got a clip round the ear from McCabe and was told to mind his own business.

 

[Bladesman]

I just treated myself and took your advice and looked up some of this "online porn" as you call it! Could you please narrow it down as it seems there are lots and lots of different kinds to choose from and it can be quite confusing....the little people section seems fun though!

I never knew mechanoids could have a wank. Did you have to order a new groin attachment for that?

 

[FMBlade1]

I get what's being said, that Wilder's statement doesn't entirely rule out the possibility that the board gently put the suggestion to him and he decided to take up that option. I have argued that an interpretation of 'ultimately' would discount that, though others have differed. There are some who have gone further (though not many) and heavily implied that Wilder lied/misled us and have been challenged accordingly on here.

However was it not a well established 'fact' that our chief executive at a fan's forum back in November said that we wouldn't be signing Ched 'in a million years'? If he did say that then that must have been a lie?!

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Jez: "So how many on S2 have called Chris Wilder a liar, or implied he's a liar?"

Dog: "Absolutely no-one mate."

 

[The Crab]

Online porn.
Treat yourselves.
That is all.

I did, now some Bastard wants £230 to unlock my computer, would have been cheaper to get a prossie

 

[FMBlade1]

Jez: "So how many on S2 have called Chris Wilder a liar, or implied he's a liar?"

Dog: "Absolutely no-one mate."

'Given the close connection with club maintained with Evans since he went down, the promises made etc, etc it's obvious this is far from any old normal transfer and there was been lots of boardroom involvement throughout.' Pedro's Winger

'So everyone really believes that when promotion was sealed Wilder thought I know what I really need,it's an injury prone striker who has scored 7 goals for the side bottom of the league and I'll get it all tied up now and risk spoiling our title party in the meantime ???' FriethBlade

Wilder says that this is his signing and that he would leave if the board got involved in saying who he should sign. These statements refer to the contrary, so by implication doubts Wilder's statement. There is NO evidence that anyone except Wilder initiated this transfer. The burden of proof is on others to show otherwise

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

In the past, I’ve argued long and hard with Alfreton14Blade about Ched as we have different views on the matter. I’ve also defended you at times when others have lambasted your ‘obsession’ with Ched but on this occasion, you are talking shit.


You’ve said yourself ‘ultimately’ means the most important factor, not the only factor. ‘Entirely’ might have made it sound like it was all Wilder’s doing as opposed to ‘ultimately’ which simply tells us that if he wasn’t on board, it wouldn’t have happened. Everything in Wilder’s comments tells us that he was on board with the decision to sign Evans and that he had the power to stop it happening if he wished it so. Nobody is disputing that. As has been mentioned, we have no conclusive evidence either way as to who first initiated the talks. You could make an argument for it being either Wilder (football manager identifies and signs player as normal) or McCabe (given the protracted history and previous attempts to do this deal coupled with his gleeful comments to the media before the deal was even finalized). We know that McCabe hasn’t ridden roughshod over Wilder to make this happen. And that’s good enough for me. We don’t categorically know that McCabe hasn’t put it to Wilder in the first instance. That remains plausible and posters are entitled to believe that was likely to have been the case. Personally, I don’t particularly care whether the chicken or egg came first in this matter. All I care about is that Wilder is happy with it and believes he can make use of Evans. And I think, despite his own reservations over Evans, Alfreton14Blade is accepting that too.

Aye, Dane, cheers. Spot on.

Like you say, "different ways of looking at the situation [are] plausible and posters are entitled to believe [what] was likely to have been the case".

 

[1danewhitehouse]

'Given the close connection with club maintained with Evans since he went down, the promises made etc, etc it's obvious this is far from any old normal transfer and there was been lots of boardroom involvement throughout.' Pedro's Winger

'So everyone really believes that when promotion was sealed Wilder thought I know what I really need,it's an injury prone striker who has scored 7 goals for the side bottom of the league and I'll get it all tied up now and risk spoiling our title party in the meantime ???' FriethBlade

Wilder says that this is his signing and that he would leave if the board got involved in saying who he should sign. These statements refer to the contrary, so by implication doubts Wilder's statement. There is NO evidence that anyone except Wilder initiated this transfer. The burden of proof is on others to show otherwise

None of those posts say that or imply that Wilder is a liar. Wilder’s statement being entirely true and those statements also being true are not mutually exclusive. Wilder’s comments only categorically state that the signing wasn’t forced upon him, that he had the power to veto the deal. Nobody knows whether he or someone else higher initiated it. People have voiced different opinions on the likelihood of differing scenarios all of which tally with Wilder’s version. A couple of posters decided they didn’t like those potential versions of events so did a lot of foot stomping and built straw men (you’re calling Wilder a liar etc.) so they could knock them down. It was a regular trick of lendegoey on blades mad.

 

[I should coco]

The burden of proof is on others to show otherwise

Not on the internet, it isn't mate.

Please remember that the Israelis did 9/11, there were never any moon landings and it was the sniper on the grassy knoll that did for JFK.

The conspiracy theorists just KNOW that KM has bought Ched and that is all there is to it.

Pah, coming on here with your reasonable attitude and sensible posts and taking our jobs......

 

[RealMcCoy]

Ultimately also means the final, the last, and it has been your (and others') insistence on certain, specific interpretations of a handful of words - in Wilder's interview and from posters comments on this thread, which have created this argument. Only one person has suggested that it wasn't Wilder's decision. Everybody else fundamentally agrees that it is Wilder's decision to sign Evans.

Even your own link to the meaning of the word in Collins dictionary has two meanings and you've chosen to focus on just one.



The other meaning is "Ultimately means finally, after a long and often complicated series of events."

Using a dictionary to prove what someone has said is not something I subscribe to and don't think is a good idea, but it is what you are doing; Chambers dictrionary also says "ultimately" the adverb means "in the end; finally" (and doesn't mention "most importantly".)

So his use of that word could very easily mean it was a long and complex process involving many people but in the end it was Wilder's decision.
I have no idea why that is a problem for you or why you are insisting on mis-interpreting what people are saying.

I can only repeat what FannyMagnet said: This thread is silly.

I've lost the thread (and the will to live) in these semantic thickets!!

 

[BushBlade]

I've lost the thread (and the will to live) in these semantic thickets!!

I think he said 'blessed are the cheese makers'.

 

[Bladesman]