Wilder in crunch games

[Gin&Juice]

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Heading to Stannage Edge right now with a chisel and a dream.

 

[FlamingLip]

Be interesting to know the spirit and moral up in Sunderland? Obviously nothing new with dour Blade pessimism, but kicking the manager with calls to get rid regardless on the run up to a mini cup competition (where we've earned the right to be favourites), is rather fucking odd.

 

[Champagneblade]

Be interesting to know the spirit and moral up in Sunderland? Obviously nothing new with dour Blade pessimism, but kicking the manager with calls to get rid regardless on the run up to a mini cup competition (where we've earned the right to be favourites), is rather fucking odd.

Currently in the process of booing their own player, Watson, who is off to Brighton! So probably not that great!

 

[Kev Gee]

I think we all need to get behind him and the team. No matter what our thoughts on CW at the moment. Let's hopefully get to Wembley and back them to win there for once!

 

[Torrix1889]

I think we all need to get behind him and the team. No matter what our thoughts on CW at the moment. Let's hopefully get to Wembley and back them to win there for once!

100% behind the club but then what?

IF, (and lets face it with our record it is a BIG IF) we do win the play offs then the euphoria of a Wembley win dies down and we realise we are in for a season of pain in the Prem with a dinosaur in charge who has filled our squad full of Brexit based Championship players......

 

[Broomhall Blade]

100% behind the club but then what?

IF, (and lets face it with our record it is a BIG IF) we do win the play offs then the euphoria of a Wembley win dies down and we realise we are in for a season of pain in the Prem with a dinosaur in charge who has filled our squad full of Brexit based Championship players......

Let's worry about that if it happens.

 

[Torrix1889]

Let's worry about that if it happens.

And if it doesn't happen we will still be left with a dinosaur in charge filling our squad with Brexit Championship players.....fucked either way if he stays.

 

[Bassett Style]

He was in charge for the famous Basham's arriving game at Elland Road. Not to mention beating Brentford a few days before that with 10 men.

I'd suggest you don't win two promotions without winning any big games.

Also 70 minutes at home against Leeds we were the better side

 

[coaxingstar71]

Are games from 7 or 8 years ago in any way relevant to this season?

The question was specifically if Wilder has what it takes to win big games. He's still the same person.

 

[coaxingstar71]

The Wilder of 2016-2020 is gone, the sooner people accept that the better

Where's he gone? Is this Wilder an imposter?

 

[coaxingstar71]

Or, and I know this might be strange for you to grasp since you're always trying to look a bit too deep, am I just asking a question?

Seems to me that you've asked a question and dismissed anyone that doesn't give you the answer that suits your agenda.

 

[coaxingstar71]

I disagree,

I we had beaten Oxford, Plymouth and Millwall, then go on to beat Stoke and Blackburn we would have done exactly that this season as champions.

That response makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[coaxingstar71]

George graham won things once aswell.

As far as I know, George is no longer managing.

 

[Tarqs]

As far as I know, George is no longer managing.

That's kinda the point.

 

[Champagneblade]

And if it doesn't happen we will still be left with a dinosaur in charge filling our squad with Brexit Championship players.....fucked either way if he stays.

How is he a dinosaur?

He’s built two teams who have played different ways and both on track to get 89 points or more.

In fact our current points total of 86 would have got us promoted already in the 19/20 season and we still have two possible wins to attain.

We’ve done well to get third. The two teams above us had more resources, more stability, less to do in the summer. We have to accept that. We’ve finished miles ahead of the rest.

Just pull together now for 5 matches and finish the job. We’re more than capable.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The two teams above us had more resources, more stability, less to do in the summer.

Burnley actually had more than us to do in the summer and had to do it later than us as players were still heading out after the season had started.

 

[Danetheblade]

The OP is dripping with anti-Wilder sentiment.

Wilder’s inability to beat the two highest resourced teams isn’t necessarily showing his inability to manage crunch games, merely his inability to overcome a 45m wage bill in Leeds’ case and a far more settled and also more expensive Burnley team.

Why somehow diminish our win vs Sunderland whilst not referencing the fact that in the defeat we dominated them on their own ground having 10 corners to 4 and 66% of the ball and outshooting them on their own patch?

You could easily focus on his ability to eke out 27 victories from the remaining 40 matches, giving him a seriously impressive 67.5% win ratio against the non-top two teams.

You could probably even make reference to the fact he’s done it without his 20m star midfielder and his 15m centre half, none of which severe injury issues impacted the eventual top two.

In fact apart from West Brom who got two draws out of us, outside the top two, he’s led us to at least one victory against every single other team with a side assembled through the pre-season window and learning on the job despite key injuries.

Whilst the aesthetics could have been better, in terms of results, when 31 is the highest amount of wins at this level, I’d say having 27 under his belt with two still to go shows he’s more than capable of delivering.

Maybe not. However losing to teams like Oxford and Plymouth are definitely showing his inability to manage crunch games.

 

[tincan]

Maybe not. However losing to teams like Oxford and Plymouth are definitely showing his inability to manage crunch games.

Winning so many games 1 0, without ever looking like we could put 5 or 6 past anyone does risk false dawns. The same mistakes are made and tolerated rather than resolved. Why we did not bring more specialist coaches in at any stage to focus on defending, attack and set pieces is a mystery for me.
Though, I'm' quite happy not to go up, as I can't do with another season of fatuous PL fans or fukwit media scum .

 

[BladeByChoice]

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I'd suggest you don't win two promotions without winning any big games.

I disagree,

I we had beaten Oxford, Plymouth and Millwall, then go on to beat Stoke and Blackburn we would have done exactly that this season as champions.

That response makes no sense whatsoever.

It depends on your definition of ‘big game’, promotion wise, for me its games against your rivals for the autos, this year Dirties and Burnley.

Against those teams we are W=0, D=0, L=4

But had we not binned a 2 goal lead against 10 man QPR, had we not let Hull put 3 past us at home and had we not lost 3 in a row to bottom half teams.

We would now be sitting on 100 points with 2 games to go and promoted as champions without winning a big game.

All irrelevant should we win the playoffs, then we have broken the playoff curse and double defeated the pigs.

UTB

 

[brownblade]

The Wilder of 2016-2020 is gone, the sooner people accept that the better

Not sure why that's true, when he's picked the club off it's arse and to everyone's surprise mounted an automatic promotion challenge based on spirit and determination as much as anything else. He isn't perfect and I've been frustrated with BBD on the right, Hamer on the left etc, but we're finishing 3rd behind two excellent Championship squads.

I do think people expect too much these days - with the riches of the Prem and cherry picked players and managers from around the world - on our TVs nearly every night... If it was easy to play great football and win all the time, all clubs would do it. Most clubs can't even win regularly, let alone play great football.

I think it seems like it should be easier, perhaps because "smaller" established Prem teams are so much better than they used to be. That boils down to money - facilities, scouting players, buying and paying players, investment in coaching/fitness etc. This is not feasible for EFL clubs to match up to.

 

[utd4ever]

When you hear Leeds owners are thinking of getting a new manager in for the Prem you have to wonder if this is Wilders last season with us.

If we go up sure they will want make sure we are competitive enough to try and stay in.

If we don’t go up I’m sure they will see it as a real missed opportunity and look for a new manager maybe even Farke.

 

[Slim Man]

Seems to me that you've asked a question and dismissed anyone that doesn't give you the answer that suits your agenda.

Seems to me you don't understand the English language

 

[Slim Man]

The OP is dripping with anti-Wilder sentiment.

Wilder’s inability to beat the two highest resourced teams isn’t necessarily showing his inability to manage crunch games, merely his inability to overcome a 45m wage bill in Leeds’ case and a far more settled and also more expensive Burnley team.

Why somehow diminish our win vs Sunderland whilst not referencing the fact that in the defeat we dominated them on their own ground having 10 corners to 4 and 66% of the ball and outshooting them on their own patch?

You could easily focus on his ability to eke out 27 victories from the remaining 40 matches, giving him a seriously impressive 67.5% win ratio against the non-top two teams.

You could probably even make reference to the fact he’s done it without his 20m star midfielder and his 15m centre half, none of which severe injury issues impacted the eventual top two.

In fact apart from West Brom who got two draws out of us, outside the top two, he’s led us to at least one victory against every single other team with a side assembled through the pre-season window and learning on the job despite key injuries.

Whilst the aesthetics could have been better, in terms of results, when 31 is the highest amount of wins at this level, I’d say having 27 under his belt with two still to go shows he’s more than capable of delivering.

Is it dripping with anti-Wilder sentiment, or is it just asking a poignant question ahead of a bunch of crunch games?

Conspiracy theories anonymous. Brought to you by Wilder's poster boys.

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

And if it doesn't happen we will still be left with a dinosaur in charge filling our squad with Brexit Championship players.....fucked either way if he stays.

What's a Brexit player?

 

[Torrix1889]

How is he a dinosaur?

He’s built two teams who have played different ways and both on track to get 89 points or more.

In fact our current points total of 86 would have got us promoted already in the 19/20 season and we still have two possible wins to attain.

We’ve done well to get third. The two teams above us had more resources, more stability, less to do in the summer. We have to accept that. We’ve finished miles ahead of the rest.

Just pull together now for 5 matches and finish the job. We’re more than capable.

He's a dinosaur as he will not embrace the the game outside his own sphere, we know he doesn't like working with non-brits, (he has admitted it) and his arrogance has probably cost us automatic promotion.

The club will obviously get my 100% support. It is what happens after the next 5 games that concerns me, promoted or not....

OK, we can say, "lets cross that bridge when we get to it" but we will be there pretty soon....

 

[Balham]

Burnley actually had more than us to do in the summer and had to do it later than us as players were still heading out after the season had started.

Yes and no - Burnley's two big signings in the summer were loan-to-permanent deals already agreed (Estève & Trésor). They also had to sign fewer players overall.

 

[Torrix1889]

What's a Brexit player?

Either English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh....or a Choudhury type who is British born.....Wilder has not signed many outside this scope....

 

[coaxingstar71]

It depends on your definition of ‘big game’, promotion wise, for me its games against your rivals for the autos, this year Dirties and Burnley.

Against those teams we are W=0, D=0, L=4

But had we not binned a 2 goal lead against 10 man QPR, had we not let Hull put 3 past us at home and had we not lost 3 in a row to bottom half teams.

We would now be sitting on 100 points with 2 games to go and promoted as champions without winning a big game.

All irrelevant should we win the playoffs, then we have broken the playoff curse and double defeated the pigs.

UTB

Oh I see, so you're only factoring in games against those above or around you.
The OP questions whether Wilder 'has what it takes' to win those type of games. Opinions seem to be polarised on that point, and opinions appear to be polarised as to whether Wilder should stay or go too.
My view is that despite not getting any points against Burnley and Leeds this season, in the past Wilder has achieved results in those big games and using your logic, in 2018/19 we took 4 points of the champions, Norwich and 3 from Leeds in that crucial game at Elland Road.
I see no reason why he wouldn't be capable of doing it again - obviously there are those that disagree and believe that Wilder is a spent force/egomaniac/tactical numpty/lost dressing room/head's gone* but they have no evidence to support any of that, but we lost to Oxford and Plymouth so it must be true.
I'm astounded at the abuse he's getting, I don't know anyone who thought we'd be in the play-offs let alone challenging for autos pre-season, but having over achieved for the best part of the season, the expectation increased, and unfairly in my view.

I'd also add, be careful what you wish for.

*delete as applicable.

 

[Rodley]

Is Wilder the only manager we’ve ever had going into a playoffs who has already won a playoff final at Wembley (with Oxford)?

paging Silent Blade

 

[Champagneblade]

Is it dripping with anti-Wilder sentiment, or is it just asking a poignant question ahead of a bunch of crunch games?

Conspiracy theories anonymous. Brought to you by Wilder's poster boys.

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