Wilder apologists.

[gordoncharles]

The main problem is that Wilder, himself, is such a divisive figure.

As a result there are even greater overreactions to defeats than there would otherwise be.

The truth is we're in a managerial doom-loop now because we there's an equal and opposite reaction to defeats when he's not the manager.

It all depends on whether you think we should be challenging to compete in the Premier League. If you do then Wilder is not the answer - at least for the bit after the next theoretical promotion, which looks like it will be a while away.

If the aim is to be competitive in the Championship that's a different story. Everybody has to pragmatic right now, the main aim is to ensure we won't be joining Wednesday in L1 next season.

As for who would be "better" maangers that we could attract there will be dozens and nobody on this forum would even know who they are. There will be another Anoni Iraola or Thomas Frank out there.

Unfortunately, as we have the least effective recruitment team in Europe, nobody is likely to identify him unless the pin actually lands on his name.

 

[Bell4]

The main problem is that Wilder, himself, is such a divisive figure.

As a result there are even greater overreactions to defeats than there would otherwise be.

The truth is we're in a managerial doom-loop now because we there's an equal and opposite reaction to defeats when he's not the manager.

It all depends on whether you think we should be challenging to compete in the Premier League. If you do then Wilder is not the answer - at least for the bit after the next theoretical promotion, which looks like it will be a while away.

If the aim is to be competitive in the Championship that's a different story. Everybody has to pragmatic right now, the main aim is to ensure we won't be joining Wednesday in L1 next season.

As for who would be "better" maangers that we could attract there will be dozens and nobody on this forum would even know who they are. There will be another Anoni Iraola or Thomas Frank out there.

Unfortunately, as we have the least effective recruitment team in Europe, nobody is likely to identify him unless the pin actually lands on his name.

Yup

 

[Barry Butlin]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back. The pigs pretending to be blades and the experts that claim not to want him never come up with a name they’d want that is realistic..

 

[Bell4]

Wilder didn't start the fire , it was always burning and we,re never learning

Terry Garbet , Colin Franks , Paul Garner - set of -anks , Cutbush , Guthrie , Jimmy Johnston

Selling Jones and Birchenall - we’ve never learned Fk all , repeated it with Deano and Jan Fyortoff .

Wilder didnt start the fire it was always burning and we’re never learning

Harry Haslam , Billy Mac - more examples of utter crap , Steve Foley , Ludlum too , Steve Finneston

Back to where we are today , the Bladyness is here to stay - £10 million blown away - at least we’re not Wednesday - what else do I have to say

Wilder blah blah blah

 

[Kenilworth]

Or Hecky? Or Warnock? I’d take Slav to be fair. Bloke were royally stitched up by the prince and expected to make a silk purse out a sows ear.

Myth.
Sphericals.
Nonsense.
Garbage.

He was more than gash. He was utterly useless.
He wasn’t stitched up.
Here’s your proof.
1. He’s done the square root of fuck all since.
2. Hecky came in and played a system that suited the players and almost got through the play offs.

A decent manager assesses the squad and plays to their strengths.
Ancelotti has mentioned this previously about what he does when he starts at a new club.

 

[nopigfansintown]

The main problem is that Wilder, himself, is such a divisive figure.

As a result there are even greater overreactions to defeats than there would otherwise be.

The truth is we're in a managerial doom-loop now because we there's an equal and opposite reaction to defeats when he's not the manager.

It all depends on whether you think we should be challenging to compete in the Premier League. If you do then Wilder is not the answer - at least for the bit after the next theoretical promotion, which looks like it will be a while away.

If the aim is to be competitive in the Championship that's a different story. Everybody has to pragmatic right now, the main aim is to ensure we won't be joining Wednesday in L1 next season.

As for who would be "better" maangers that we could attract there will be dozens and nobody on this forum would even know who they are. There will be another Anoni Iraola or Thomas Frank out there.

Unfortunately, as we have the least effective recruitment team in Europe, nobody is likely to identify him unless the pin actually lands on his name.

I wouldn't overstate the opinions online. Especially on here. It's a strange, unrepresentative bunch on here. The matches, Blades circles are totally different. The vast majority are patient and very supportive. The 'divisiveness' is an overstated online hyperbole 'look at me' thing.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back.

I know plenty. I suppose it depends on the people you associate with, which is obviously different for different folks.

 

[prescotblade]

There is obviously a lot wrong with our team at the moment. It does seem we have a weak attack, especially when your main attacker does not seem to be able to play for 90 minutes. Whilst we can defend we are not quick enough to counter attack or even take a shot. How many shots or goals do we have from outside the box.
Friday night reminded me of Wembley. Thing the adventure of trying a different style of play under Selles has harmed the players mentally.
Think Wilder is fully aware of the difficulty we face. Problem is changing the mentality when your losing. Realistically your going to defend and reduce the level of defeats. Unfortunately the best form of defence is to attack.
Suspect it’s about getting through to January and see what changes can be made.
Like others it’s about avoiding relegation this season, although I have penciled keeping the play off weekend free.
The owners with their vision are learning a harsh lesson on the game of football.
Wilder is the man at the moment and many forget our season we finished ninth in the Premier league with an adventurous attacking.
He is managing a team with in limited resources and huge expectations from all.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back. The pigs pretending to be blades and the experts that claim not to want him never come up with a name they’d want that is realistic..

Exactly. It's something that doesn't pass muster in real life.

I'm a big fan of Wilder's time at the club but didn't want him back (this or last time) as I thought it was a bad move for him (should've left after Bristol or Prem season 1 imo) with too much water having gone under the bridge for some people. People love change for change's sake. A new toy. It's all the rage.

My feeling this time is that the owners are clueless so the same outcome as the ludicrous post Wembley sacking is inevitable with him getting the blame for Selles/summer transfers and the almost inevitable downward trajectory finance and position wise. I would ask Wilder ''what changed?' 'why do you think you can work with these people after your sacking last time?'.

I also felt some fans needed to draw a line under it. Like any successful long term relationship they'd list every little thing that irks them about CW overstressing them to the nth degree, rather than taking a step back and focusing on the general success/happiness direction. That makes it very difficult if they were to any significant degree representive.

What I got was instead was overwhelming pro Wilder positivity on match days and throughout the many Blades circles I'm part of making me recalibrate. Theis era of Wilder has more support that the Slav, Adkins, Robson or Selles eras ever had, at any point. Put it that way.

 

[Carlton Blade]

The whole Wilder conversation has become so boring. He's a competent EFL level manager. He doesn't add a huge amount to the level the players can reach as a collective as he did 2016-2019, but he gets them to where they should be and for the most part, players like him.

Both the hero worship and the treating him like he's an incompetent idiot are tedious.

It's a mediocre squad and now it has competent management, it'll achieve mediocre results

 

[JohnDenver]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back. The pigs pretending to be blades and the experts that claim not to want him never come up with a name they’d want that is realistic..

I don’t think he should be viewed as divisive. But that’s the online world - polarising, juvenile and performative.

 

[Aston max]

I don’t hate Wilder nor do I love him . There are better managers out there and worse . Long term Wilder will be gone I would imagine as the club recycles itself. The running of SUFC is the issue and the players / manager are the sum of those decisions.
Remote ownership + Bettis = Failure
Sort the top of the club out focus your frustration on that .

Bettis needs to concentrate on the business side and a DOF needs recruiting.
Also I get the feeling he's a big mate of wilders, we need someone above him with the bollocks to challenge him on football decisions plus remove recruitment of players out of his final say . It would also help turning dore and shirecliffe into the centres of excellence we all know we need.
There's been to much "back of a fag packet " planning.

 

[scouseblade]

Yes, we should sack Wilder immediately. Bring back either Selles or Adams. Complete the job into League One, then re-hire Wilder.
He has got us 9 points. Realistically, how many points would we have under Selles after 12 games

 

[bladesince64]

Wilder is currently attempting to oversee a rebuild (which is needed to rectify a disastrous car crash of a start to a season) release a number of sub standard players who he didn't sign and certainly doesn't want.

Whilst also trying to get results and save the club from relegation.

He also did exactly this last season and somehow managed to achieve 92 points which was remarkable.

All of this is necessary because the club continues down the same path where it has sold off every quality player who is a saleable asset for donkeys years.

 

[scouseblade]

The whole Wilder conversation has become so boring. He's a competent EFL level manager. He doesn't add a huge amount to the level the players can reach as a collective as he did 2016-2019, but he gets them to where they should be and for the most part, players like him.

Both the hero worship and the treating him like he's an incompetent idiot are tedious.

It's a mediocre squad and now it has competent management, it'll achieve mediocre results

This 100%. Wilders main job this season is to make us functional enough to stay up. FIrst goal, 41 more points. Thats it. Anything after that is a bonus. Anyone think 50 points, heck 5 points under Selles would have been achievable?

 

[Roygbiv]

Both the hero worship and the treating him like he's an incompetent idiot are tedious.

And this is where the division comes. Both sides of the argument find themselves doubling down to the point where they essentially claim everything is Wilders fault or nothing is. The people who love him are extremely defensive when any criticism comes his way and talk like it's ludicrous that we could ever expect anything better. On the other hand, the people who dislike him are quicker to jump on him than they would be with any other manager.


He may well be the best manager we could attract right now and it is comforting that we have someone we know truly cares about the club. He's a safe pair of hands that is unlikely to underachieve with whatever squad he's got. There's a lot of chasing of nostalgia for Wilder 1.0 but that version has gone. What we have now is a competent manager that shouldn't attract the extremes that he does

 

[gordoncharles]

...5 points under Selles would have been achievable?

This is one of the problems, even allowing for you exaggerating for effect.

I know this will be a very unpopular view but, as terrible as the start of the season was, and as exasperated as I was myself, I still think Selles was sacked too soon to make any kind of rational judgement.

Not every time do you change the coach and the style and it works out immediately, and 5 games was ridiculous, even allowing for the Ipswich debacle.

We'll never know of course - and the outlook was not good - but if we're going to have that kind of panicked meltdown every time something new is tried then the club won't move forwards.

 

[Loco Blade]

Bettis needs to concentrate on the business side and a DOF needs recruiting.
Also I get the feeling he's a big mate of wilders, we need someone above him with the bollocks to challenge him on football decisions plus remove recruitment of players out of his final say . It would also help turning dore and shirecliffe into the centres of excellence we all know we need.
There's been to much "back of a fag packet " planning.

Agree mate well said

 

[54yrblade]

Wilder didn't start the fire , it was always burning and we,re never learning

Terry Garbet , Colin Franks , Paul Garner - set of -anks , Cutbush , Guthrie , Jimmy Johnston

Selling Jones and Birchenall - we’ve never learned Fk all , repeated it with Deano and Jan Fyortoff .

Wilder didnt start the fire it was always burning and we’re never learning

Harry Haslam , Billy Mac - more examples of utter crap , Steve Foley , Ludlum too , Steve Finneston

Back to where we are today , the Bladyness is here to stay - £10 million blown away - at least we’re not Wednesday - what else do I have to say

Wilder blah blah blah

That is very, very good.

I'll be hearing Billy Joel all week now

Thank you

 

[I should coco]

I couldn't go tonight as I couldn't go. But what a disgrace.
His main speech is all about "seeing games out". So how does he defend that?
If you support his turd return you're part of the problem.

Stick to Uncle Susan's adventures, there's a good lad.

 

[Silky Sabella]

I couldn't go tonight as I couldn't go. But what a disgrace.
His main speech is all about "seeing games out". So how does he defend that?
If you support his turd return you're part of the problem.

 

[Peaktrade]

The bit that worries me is it’s ok for you to throw the players under the bus for this game but has he forgotten we did the same thing in the play off finals??!?!?!? Same old shit of throwing it away! Nothings changed and no accountability for it

 

[djbaldken]

Wilder didn't start the fire , it was always burning and we,re never learning

Terry Garbet , Colin Franks , Paul Garner - set of -anks , Cutbush , Guthrie , Jimmy Johnston

Selling Jones and Birchenall - we’ve never learned Fk all , repeated it with Deano and Jan Fyortoff .

Wilder didnt start the fire it was always burning and we’re never learning

Harry Haslam , Billy Mac - more examples of utter crap , Steve Foley , Ludlum too , Steve Finneston

Back to where we are today , the Bladyness is here to stay - £10 million blown away - at least we’re not Wednesday - what else do I have to say

Wilder blah blah blah

If only someone could put this to music.
I'm sure it would be a hit!

 

[djbaldken]

Wilder apologist?
I 'll not apologise for the man who got us 92 points (after a minus two points start)
I'll not apologise for the same man getting us these points which on virtually most seasons would get you promoted.
I 'll not apologise for the man who but for VAR would have got us back to prem
I 'll not apologise for the man who has actually got us competing AND WINNING again after his predecessor lost six out of six.

Stick to uncle Susan and fat lass stories. They are more entertaining.

 

[WestYorksBlade]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back. The pigs pretending to be blades and the experts that claim not to want him never come up with a name they’d want that is realistic..

Everyone who disagrees with me and my friends must be a pig

What’s it like being that close-minded?

 

[scouseblade]

This is one of the problems, even allowing for you exaggerating for effect.

I know this will be a very unpopular view but, as terrible as the start of the season was, and as exasperated as I was myself, I still think Selles was sacked too soon to make any kind of rational judgement.

Not every time do you change the coach and the style and it works out immediately, and 5 games was ridiculous, even allowing for the Ipswich debacle.

We'll never know of course - and the outlook was not good - but if we're going to have that kind of panicked meltdown every time something new is tried then the club won't move forwards.

5 games 5 defeats, 6 if you include cup. 1 goal. 13 conceded. Yes we should have given him these last 7 games. He is and was a horrendous appointment. His signings, tactics were totally and utterly a shambles. I still believe had we hired anyone else other than Wilder we'd still be better than keeping Selles for 12 matches. We'd have 1 or 2 points. Tell me otherwise.

 

[gordoncharles]

5 games 5 defeats, 6 if you include cup. 1 goal. 13 conceded. Yes we should have given him these last 7 games. He is and was a horrendous appointment. His signings, tactics were totally and utterly a shambles. I still believe had we hired anyone else other than Wilder we'd still be better than keeping Selles for 12 matches. We'd have 1 or 2 points. Tell me otherwise.

Selles was not an unknown, he already had plenty of experience at both Reading and Hull and while he hardly pulled up any trees he was certainly not "horrendous" at either.

I can't tell you we'd have more than 2 points now because we'll never know, but if we hadn't then that would have been long enough to pull the plug. Even then the situation would hardly have been irrecoverable given the players we have. There are short memories about. Only 2 years ago Wednesday sacked their manager after 10 games (and 2 points) and they still stayed up with a much inferior squad to the one we have now - and although I think Rohl is decent enough I hardly think he qualifies as a genius.

If you still want to read on I can give a personal example. I live in Spain where I have a season ticket to a Spanish 2nd Division side. A new manager was brought in during the past summer with a change in approach and at the start it was disastrous. Nobody liked it, it wasn't getting results, and early home games were a cacophony of whistles. I was shouting for his dismissal myself. I couldn't believe I could watch the dross being served up. Around autumn last year what they were trying to do started to work. A side that was fifth from bottom after 5 games, and 11th after 11 ended up getting promoted, and currently sit in the European qualification places in La Liga with the most attractive football seen there in two generations.

I'm very long in the tooth but I was wrong about that one. A little patience sometimes goes a long way.

 

[ATL Recs]

Wilder apologist?
I 'll not apologise for the man who got us 92 points (after a minus two points start)
I'll not apologise for the same man getting us these points which on virtually most seasons would get you promoted.
I 'll not apologise for the man who but for VAR would have got us back to prem
I 'll not apologise for the man who has actually got us competing AND WINNING again after his predecessor lost six out of six.

Stick to uncle Susan and fat lass stories. They are more entertaining.

Wilders lost 8 of his last 14 league games winning 5 drawing 1 which is bottom six form a downward spiral yes change was needed just that the change was a terrible choice

 

[Cheeky Blade]

Not sure he’s a divisive figure, I don’t know a blade that didn’t want him back. The pigs pretending to be blades and the experts that claim not to want him never come up with a name they’d want that is realistic..

I know one or two not so keen but they are pretty balanced and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who talks about him like some do on socials…

 

[scouseblade]

Selles was not an unknown, he already had plenty of experience at both Reading and Hull and while he hardly pulled up any trees he was certainly not "horrendous" at either.

I can't tell you we'd have more than 2 points now because we'll never know, but if we hadn't then that would have been long enough to pull the plug. Even then the situation would hardly have been irrecoverable given the players we have. There are short memories about. Only 2 years ago Wednesday sacked their manager after 10 games (and 2 points) and they still stayed up with a much inferior squad to the one we have now - and although I think Rohl is decent enough I hardly think he qualifies as a genius.

If you still want to read on I can give a personal example. I live in Spain where I have a season ticket to a Spanish 2nd Division side. A new manager was brought in during the past summer with a change in approach and at the start it was disastrous. Nobody liked it, it wasn't getting results, and early home games were a cacophony of whistles. I was shouting for his dismissal myself. I couldn't believe I could watch the dross being served up. Around autumn last year what they were trying to do started to work. A side that was fifth from bottom after 5 games, and 11th after 11 ended up getting promoted, and currently sit in the European qualification places in La Liga with the most attractive football seen there in two generations.

I'm very long in the tooth but I was wrong about that one. A little patience sometimes goes a long way.

Thats a tremendous story for them. I know Sheffield United, it wouldnt have happened for us. Can I ask, what had the team done the previous season? Had they been close to promotion, mid-table, relegation battle? I only ask if that you cannot take a team that finished on 92 points, and in 5 games turn it into a laughing stock. And I know, the squad was different and he was trying to play a new attacking style - but we had less than 10 shots on target in 5 games, scoring 1 goal and conceding a hat-full. You as a manager are on a hiding to nothing if those are your first results when coming in after a 90+ season.

I am no Wilder apologist by the way. I would have fully backed another manager to come in. Wilder makes daft decisions, thinks its about him and has signed some dross but he has got us results*

*be them at the cost of playing potentially pretty attractive football.