Wilder “bought the best in the Championship”

[BlairBlade]

Apologies if this has already been posted - I must have missed it.
Is this true?
Mousset, Berge, Brewster were not from the division below. That was about 55 million or so. Chuck in Verrips who has never had a game. Ampadu is from Chelsea.
Robinson (to WBA) and Freeman (Forest), possibly 15 million, were here, but only for a bit, alas no longer.
The rest of the best: Osborn, Robinson, Lowe, Burke (I suppose WBA at that time were no longer Championship), Ramsdale (I suppose Bournemouth were down by then).
I am sure there are one or two others.
I would aver that the best of the Championship went elsewhere, maybe Aston Villa, Everton and others.
Please do feel free to comment.

 

[JackSUFC]

You’re right. In Osborn, Robinson and Lowe, he signed bang average Championship players instead.

 

[Bladezz]

We couldn’t afford to get Maupay / Watkins / Cash / Robinson / Swift.

So the agreed policy I guess with the board was sign the best championship players but the owners didn’t hold their side of the bargain

 

[BlairBlade]

We couldn’t afford to get Maupay / Watkins / Cash / Robinson / Swift.

So the agreed policy I guess with the board was sign the best championship players but the owners didn’t hold their side of the bargain

Not sure I agree with that take.
Don’t know where the idea comes from that the owners did not hold up their side of the bargain.
CW has done an extraordinarily poor job when it comes to recruitment since we were promoted.
Why would anyone in their right mind give him even more millions to waste?
Who is in charge of recruitment ? Who comes up with the targets? Who was/is the one who decides what to offer? Do you seriously think if you offer £3 million for a player that, say, Arsenal value at £10 million, you either know what you are doing or are going to be taken seriously?
Take Maupay, (a crying shame we didn’t) was it simply we could not afford what Brighton offered or could there have been an element of we really were not able to compete because we didn’t know what we were doing?
There could be a few reasons for that lack of experience, not up to he job, don’t understand or appreciate the market, how it works, etc., etc.
It is not true that we have just be buying from the Championship and it is certainly not true that we have bought the best from there.

 

[lazyfecklessblade]

Give it while August, we’ll have ample opportunity to see if we’ve bought the best in the championship.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think that there is a big difference between ‘couldn’t afford’ and ‘wouldn’t pay’.

Robinson was on £5,000 a week at Wigan. Fulham decided to pay him £50,000 a week after less than 100 championship games for two sides who both got relegated. I can see why we balked.

 

[Varkanoid]

I think the above reason is why we wont compete in the PL. Even if we went down and come back up again PL wages wont have dropped. Its ok saying Wilder failed recruitment but if one of the criteria is we cant pay more than £20000 for example a week in wages then we are never going to get the type of player we need to compete in the PL. We may pickup one or two gems for a bargain price but the 5-6 players we need reading threads on here we are not going to get the type to stay up a 2nd time. Wilder will need to be really creative or push through some U23's.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

I think the above reason is why we wont compete in the PL. Even if we went down and come back up again PL wages wont have dropped. Its ok saying Wilder failed recruitment but if one of the criteria is we cant pay more than £20000 a week in wages then we are never going to get the type of player we need to compete in the PL.

Agree with that but do think one of the reasons we worked to such a strict budget was approximately half the money we’ve earned this season has had to be held back to pay for the ground etc.

Hopefully if we come straight back up the purse strings will be relaxed a little and give us a more realistic Premier League budget.

 

[BlairBlade]

I think the above reason is why we wont compete in the PL. Even if we went down and come back up again PL wages wont have dropped. Its ok saying Wilder failed recruitment but if one of the criteria is we cant pay more than £20000 for example a week in wages then we are never going to get the type of player we need to compete in the PL.

That is a fair point.
But I still think we have failed, utterly, on the recruitment side.
Even before this last window where the owners shut up shop, why didn't we loan players from abroad? Fulham can field a team of 11+ foreign loans we can't even manage one!
We can only manage one loan from England! Did we give up or think we could muddle through?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

I think the above reason is why we wont compete in the PL. Even if we went down and come back up again PL wages wont have dropped. Its ok saying Wilder failed recruitment but if one of the criteria is we cant pay more than £20000 for example a week in wages then we are never going to get the type of player we need to compete in the PL. We may pickup one or two gems for a bargain price but the 5-6 players we need reading threads on here we are not going to get the type to stay up a 2nd time. Wilder will need to be really creative or push through some U23's.

Our highest earner is on £50,000 a week gross, others are on £40,000 a week gross. That does not take into account bonuses.

We pay enough to attract players of the quality of Rammers, Berge, Brewster, Moose and Bogle. We pay enough to have attracted the likes of Toney, Coufal, Struijk or Ahearne-Grant.

 

[SUFCinks]

If the best of the championship is 5th/6th choice strikers for WBA or 3rd/4th choice CB for Forrest then yes.

in the real world, not even close.

 

[mattbianco1]

Apologies if this has already been posted - I must have missed it.
Is this true?
Mousset, Berge, Brewster were not from the division below. That was about 55 million or so. Chuck in Verrips who has never had a game. Ampadu is from Chelsea.
Robinson (to WBA) and Freeman (Forest), possibly 15 million, were here, but only for a bit, alas no longer.
The rest of the best: Osborn, Robinson, Lowe, Burke (I suppose WBA at that time were no longer Championship), Ramsdale (I suppose Bournemouth were down by then).
I am sure there are one or two others.
I would aver that the best of the Championship went elsewhere, maybe Aston Villa, Everton and others.
Please do feel free to comment.

When we signed C. Robinson and L. Freeman, most of our fans were ecstatic, i was particularly happy with the signing of Freeman.

McBurnie had just scored 22 goals in the CH and Brewster had scored 10 in just 20 apps.

Looking at Bogle and realising he's only 20 suggests we've got one of the brightest Championship right back prospects too.

Just because they haven't worked out for United, doesn't mean they weren't the top players in the CH.

 

[Varkanoid]

Just because they haven't worked out for United, doesn't mean they weren't the top players in the CH.

I think the problem is we cant work out why. Take the McBurnie header for example. No pressure on him from opposition he heads it wide. That could be in the PL or the Championship no difference but he headed wide. He's also done this last year and also on various occasions fluffed it in front of goal. Same with Brewster he could have got 3 or 4 by now if they were on target, I think one hit the post but not tucked any away. So are you saying he would have scored in the Championship whats the difference ? They use the same goals, the same size pitch. You could explain it down to confidence, service etc but if you look at our strikers this year and last then goals are not coming.

Go down to Championship okay they might score 20 but then back to PL again I dont have confidence they will be as good. They have had plenty of chances to score we must have missed loads of chances.

 

[Chingo]

Went to Curry’s with £500 ... wanted the latest Sony ultra hd with 4K 55 inches but that was a grand , ended up with a Sharp hd 40 inch , it’s alright but not as sharp as the Sony would have been

 

[gordoncharles]

So, if I'm understanding this right we can't afford "The Best of the Championship"

But we could afford a 22 year old international player from a Champions League team.

How anyone can defend United's recruitment policy, which must consist of Wilder and a bloke playing re-runs of EFL on Quest, is beyond me.

 

[Chingo]

So, if I'm understanding this right we can't afford "The Best of the Championship"

But we could afford a 22 year old international player from a Champions League team.

How anyone can defend United's recruitment policy, which must consist of Wilder and a bloke playing re-runs of EFL on Quest, is beyond me.

Wages

 

[gordoncharles]

Wages

What's the difference? Are you saying we're paying Berge twice as much as everyone else?

 

[Stegosaurus]

Wages

Hi, Stegosaurus here

That can play a part, but other teams manage to sign good players for low wages rather than spaff 24 million on Brewster. Look at Brentford snapping up Baptiste and Forsu who will go on to be Premier League regulars.

Or blowing 18 million on Ramsdale, when he could have signed someone like Foster or Krull who are both better and would cost a fraction of the price.

 

[BlairBlade]

When we signed C. Robinson and L. Freeman, most of our fans were ecstatic, i was particularly happy with the signing of Freeman.

McBurnie had just scored 22 goals in the CH and Brewster had scored 10 in just 20 apps.

Looking at Bogle and realising he's only 20 suggests we've got one of the brightest Championship right back prospects too.

Just because they haven't worked out for United, doesn't mean they weren't the top players in the CH.

I am sure we were all over the moon when we kept breaking out transfer records but whether we/some/all the fans were ecstatic is not really the point.

Some might think it is fair comment to suggest if they haven't worked out then they weren't the top players in the Championship. In any event, those who have come in have not delivered the goods either at all or consistently enough or well enough to have been a success - wherever they came from.

Another point I made is that all our recruits DID NOT come from the Championship.

 

[Snowflake]

You’re right. In Osborn, Robinson and Lowe, he signed bang average Championship players instead.

Not the case.
Osborn and Lowe are at least top quality Championship players.

 

[Chingo]

Hi, Stegosaurus here

That can play a part, but other teams manage to sign good players for low wages rather than spaff 24 million on Brewster. Look at Brentford snapping up Baptiste and Forsu who will go on to be Premier League regulars.

Or blowing 18 million on Ramsdale, when he could have signed someone like Foster or Krull who are both better and would cost a fraction of the price.

Foster on 30k a week Krul 25k a week , similar to Ramsdale with no hope of a fee if we tried to sell

 

[mattbianco1]

You could explain it down to confidence, service etc

That's the problem there^^^
How many chances do our strikers get in a game? McBurnie got 2 last night - the header and the one where he took the touch in the box. If he had been banging them in and was on 10 goals or so, he may have scored both.

Here are the top goalscorers in the division. Look at their conversion rates. Salah leading the way on 17 but has had 60 shots - a goal every 3.5shots.



Then you compare the conversion rate to our players.


Sharp looks great until you realise 3 of those 12 shots were penalties. Wilder has often said that we work, work and work some more to create the ideal chance. Maybe we should start shooting on sight.

People compare our strikers to Maupay. He has had 40 shots (same as Didzy) and scored 7 goals (1 more than Didzy). But Maupay takes penalties

 

[robbiez666]

That's the problem there^^^
How many chances do our strikers get in a game? McBurnie got 2 last night - the header and the one where he took the touch in the box. If he had been banging them in and was on 10 goals or so, he may have scored both.

Here are the top goalscorers in the division. Look at their conversion rates. Salah leading the way on 17 but has had 60 shots - a goal every 3.5shots.

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Then you compare the conversion rate to our players.
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Sharp looks great until you realise 3 of those 12 shots were penalties. Wilder has often said that we work, work and work some more to create the ideal chance. Maybe we should start shooting on sight.

People compare our strikers to Maupay. He has had 40 shots (same as Didzy) and scored 7 goals (1 more than Didzy). But Maupay takes penalties

I'd chuck in the fact that we don't shoot from distance or take chances. We have an obsession with creating 'good' chances. Whereas, in most teams players will try their luck.

 

[Stegosaurus]

Foster on 30k a week Krul 25k a week , similar to Ramsdale with no hope of a fee if we tried to sell

Hi Stegosaurus here,

But Ramsdale has cost us a tonne of goals. I'd rather stay up with an older and good goalieand not be able to cash in later, than go down and maybe get 8 million back when we decided to sell him.

Granted, there are more problems with the team than him. But he has cost us a lot of games this season and the defense looks a nervous wreck with him behid them.

 

[BlairBlade]

Not the case.
Osborn and Lowe are at least top quality Championship players.

Even if they are I suspect that are not such

Foster on 30k a week Krul 25k a week , similar to Ramsdale with no hope of a fee if we tried to sell

Apparently, after last night the shammers fancy Ramsdale.

 

[Revolution]

That's the problem there^^^
How many chances do our strikers get in a game? McBurnie got 2 last night - the header and the one where he took the touch in the box. If he had been banging them in and was on 10 goals or so, he may have scored both.

Here are the top goalscorers in the division. Look at their conversion rates. Salah leading the way on 17 but has had 60 shots - a goal every 3.5shots.

View attachment 106754

Then you compare the conversion rate to our players.
View attachment 106755

Sharp looks great until you realise 3 of those 12 shots were penalties. Wilder has often said that we work, work and work some more to create the ideal chance. Maybe we should start shooting on sight.

People compare our strikers to Maupay. He has had 40 shots (same as Didzy) and scored 7 goals (1 more than Didzy). But Maupay takes penalties

My goodness, what a terrible season McBurnie is having.

As I have said before, you start with him and Burke and you basically admit you won't score.

 

[mattbianco1]

My goodness, what a terrible season McBurnie is having.

As I have said before, you start with him and Burke and you basically admit you won't score.

Yep. Conversion rate is shocking. I do think a lot is down to confidence too.

I can think of a few games where he should've scored:

Fulham (h) x2 great chances
Liverpool (a)
Liverpool (h) x2 great chances - the header has to hit the target.

Adrian looked nervous in goal last night and we didn't put enough pressure on him

 

[Gannon's perm]

Went to Curry’s with £500 ... wanted the latest Sony ultra hd with 4K 55 inches but that was a grand , ended up with a Sharp hd 40 inch , it’s alright but not as sharp as the Sony would have been

Curry's is well known for being too expensive, try another shop or online.

Japanese brands are so 80s try an up and coming Korean or Chinese brand.

What about pay monthly options?

Should have gone when the sales were on, rather than paying premium prices.

Could have bought a second hand one for a fraction of the price.

Your mate has 75" Samsung that he doesn't need, you could have loaned that out for a few quid.

There are always other options available, just got to be patient and look around, rather than buy the first thing you see.

 

[Revolution]

Yep. Conversion rate is shocking. I do think a lot is down to confidence too.

I can think of a few games where he should've scored:

Fulham (h) x2 great chances
Liverpool (a)
Liverpool (h) x2 great chances - the header has to hit the target.

Adrian looked nervous in goal last night and we didn't put enough pressure on him

Hitting the bar against West Ham was arguably the worst of the lot.

 

[McGrath]

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