Whiteman

[Ricky]

Players have gone into the Championship and done well with less experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

 

[Pinchy]

So why did we recall Brooks from Chesterfield?

Because they are two entirely different players. Tufty knows them better than the intelligentsia on here. He intends to use Brooks far more than he would Whiteman.

 

[I should coco]

Players have gone into the Championship and done well with less experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

Players have also gone into the Championship and done badly with more experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

 

[snootyfenooty]

He intends to use Brooks far more than he would Whiteman.

Apart from league cup cameos you won't see much of Brooks before Christmas. It would have been better letting him play at Chesterfield rather than sitting on the bench here. That's if you follow the same logic for justifying Whiteman staying at Doncaster.

 

[Ricky]

That's just an assumption, isn't it?

Backed up by having seen him play recently, and also the fact he was in our squad for the first game. Who's seen Whiteman play recently?

Players have also gone into the Championship and done badly with more experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

But plenty have done well. So his number of appearances obviously can't be used to prove that he can't be ready.

 

[snootyfenooty]

Players have also gone into the Championship and done badly with more experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

And others have thrived with less. Walker/Naughton anyone. You'll never know unless you give them a try, they're not exactly unknown quantities.

 

[I should coco]

It would have been better letting him play at Chesterfield rather than sitting on the bench here. That's if you follow the same logic for justifying Whiteman staying at Doncaster.

The same logic doesn't apply as he is a completely different sort of player. He has potential game changing abilities that probably no-one else at the Lane has, including the senior pros.

Horses for courses and all that.

 

[Pinchy]

Players have gone into the Championship and done well with less experience and appearances than Whiteman under their belt.

Perhaps they are better players? Whiteman is the latest "next big thing" for the Bladey Boybanders. In that, he follows in the footsteps of greats like Young Joe, De Juve, Calamity George and Little Louis.

He may well be a very good player in the making. He did nothing in his few appearances for us to demonstrate that, but he was still young I suppose (Calamity will be still 'young and learning' when he's 43). A good season at League two Mansfield and a good start at League One Doncaster are very welcome and I wish him well, because I want very good players in our team, but I'm not joining the X-Factor hysteria just yet.

 

[I should coco]

But some have done well. So his number of appearances obviously can't be used to prove that he can't be ready.

No, it doesn't 'prove' it.

And others have thrived with less. Walker/Naughton anyone. You'll never know unless you give them a try, they're not exactly unknown quantities.

So because two exceptional young players did well 8-9 years ago, we should immediately blood all young players just in case they might be good enough?

FFS, you are going to make me sound like Pinchy here; "Gerramin, gerramallin"

 

[snootyfenooty]

He has potential game changing abilities that probably no-one else at the Lane has, including the senior pros.

Not much use if we don't play him.

 

[Pinchy]

You'll never know unless you give them a try, they're not exactly unknown quantities.

Let's run a professional football team like a Sunday League u-15 outfit. They all pay their subs and the parents turn out every week and take turns in washing the kit. Never mind losing a few points and games. What does that matter:

Givimatry. Givemallafuckintry.

 

[snootyfenooty]

A good season at League two Mansfield and a good start at League One Doncaster are very welcome and I wish him well, because I want very good players in our team, but I'm not joining the X-Factor hysteria just yet.

Yet we are scouring the same leagues for players from other clubs who had a good season last season.

 

[Pinchy]

Not much use if we don't play him.

First name on the team sheet, eh? Or maybe pick the team on merit and introduce his undoubted talents as and when best for the team?

 

[snootyfenooty]

FFS, you are going to make me sound like Pinchy here; "Gerramin, gerramallin"

I didn't say that. I said in my opinion we should give Whiteman a chance. I'd prefer it if you didn't go all Pinchy-like as he's not worth engaging when he starts talking bollocks.

 

[Pinchy]

Yet we are scouring the same leagues for players from other clubs who had a good season last season.

Yes. Maybe Tufty and his team have watched them carefully, compared them with Whiteman (who they know well and will have watched regularly whilst out on loan) and decided they have more to offer?

Controversial, I know.

 

[nopigfansintown]

I've seen Whiteman play a lot. He's more of an archetypal box to box midfielder, than a defensive midfield anchorman like Kante, Makelele or Mascherano (at Liverpool). I've seen Southend fans calling Leonard the white Kante, which maybe explains our interest? I'm intrigued by Ferguson playing Whiteman in a more defensive role, and will be watching his progress with interest.

 

[I should coco]

I'd prefer it if you didn't go all Pinchy-like as he's not worth engaging when he starts talking bollocks.

Me too.

I can feel myself climbing up onto that high moral ground and I'm not sure if I can cope with heights like that.

Before I know it, I'll be accusing you of cap doffing and having a Blade's inferiority complex. I'll stop now while there is still a little hope for me.

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Incidentally at what age do you cease to be "one for the future" and become too old to improve ?

 

[Pinchy]

Backed up by having seen him play recently, and also the fact he was in our squad for the first game. Who's seen Whiteman play recently?

Sorry, I thought you were referring to Whiteman; you meant Brooks. I agree, on the limited viewing I've had, about his ability.

As to who's seen Whiteman play recently: Tufty and all his trusted coaches and scouts, no doubt.

Ben might very well make it with United. I hope he does. He will if he's good enough. The developing clamour to givimatry (a juvenile outlook on professional football) on the basis of doing well in League Two and a single game at Donny smacks of parochial Bladey Boybanding I'm afraid.

When does he get this 'try'? Is it before, after or simultaneously with Brooks? Who does he replace? Coutts? Fleck? Has he paid his subs? Who's washing the kit this week? When does Little Louis get his next try? He hasn't had one for a while. Fair's fair.

 

[Pinchy]

Incidentally at what age do you cease to be "one for the future" and become too old to improve ?

If you're George Long, it never happens. He's the Dorian Gray of goalkeeping. The lad just needs time.

 

[Pinchy]

I can feel myself climbing up onto that high moral ground and I'm not sure if I can cope with heights like that.

The air is very refined up here, but you are showing conspicuous potential. I genuinely believe you have what it takes.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

He's not ready for our level yet, which is why Wilder has sent him out on loan. If he thought he was, he would've not agreed to the loan or cancelled it. Brooks situation shows that when they are thought to be ready they will get their chance, even if it means pissing off one of the locals.

 

[Grecian2000]

I've seen Southend fans calling Leonard the white Kante

Bloody plagiarists, we were calling Monty the "Useless Kante" years ago. Way ahead of our time.

 

[I should coco]

The air is very refined up here, but you are showing conspicuous potential. I genuinely believe you have what it takes.

So if I pay my subs and promise to wash my kit, you'll give me a try?

Really looking forward to it.

BTW, if you need any details for the paperwork or stuff, my name is Montgomery.

 

[B14Nco]

Got their MOTM. Would like to see him back here in our squad.

He wouldn't have got MOTM for Doncaster if he was on our squad. He wouldn't even make our bench at the moment. Leave him where he is, get games and come back ready to compete.

 

[snootyfenooty]

So if I pay my subs and promise to wash my kit, you'll give me a try?

Really looking forward to it.

BTW, if you need any details for the paperwork or stuff, my name is Montgomery.

Can I join too. My name is Phil and I'm from Liverpool.

 

[Ihadadream]

Great move from CW to send Whiteman to Doncaster and LR to Chesterfield, allows our players to develop and mature in readiness for making our own squad stronger whilst at the same time taking the pressure off them in playing big games when maybe they are not quite ready, develops a local relationship with these clubs that hopefully in future we can use to progress the development of the young players like Jordan Hallam, Harvey Gilmour, Regan Slater, Sam Bomber Graham and a few more which in turn would hopefully ease the pressure on them when they do hopefully pull the shirt on at BDTBL and we have a side with 2 or 3 local lads all Blades giving it the S6 Massive!!!!!!!!!

 

[tyke1889]

 

[Benny and the Blades]

Looking back at some that came in young and went on to make a name
Hodgkin'son 18, Jones 18 . birchennall 19. Currie 18 . naughton 20. Walker 18.

 

[Fanny magnet]

The air is very refined up here, but you are showing conspicuous potential. I genuinely believe you have what it takes.

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