Which 2 up top next season?

[Gretsch Blade]

Didzy free-role with McB up top, then on the hour one of Robinson/Moose for Didz, with Billy or Robinson/Moose replacing McB for last 15 min.

Ps. Robinson looks really sharp during videos released from training. Interesting to see if this is a sales ploy from club or if Tufty has seen the development and thinks he’s ready.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Surely I can't be the only one viewing this thread expecting to see some boobs

 

[8lade]

Mousset - is the best all round striker at the club, not great with his head.
Sharp - still the best attacking header and in the box finisher.
McBurnie - Last season wasn't as on point as when he played in the Championship, he was still getting himself in the positions but just wasn't hitting the ball cleanly, except for against Brighton. Brings a lot to the team defending set pieces.
McGoldrick - we all know his link up play brings to the team.
Robinson - bit like a second string Mousset, hoping he'll kick on.
If I've evaluated this correctly it shows the top 4 all have something the others don't but we could really use somebody with a couple of these attributes.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I mean, it’s not is it. But then again you have an irrational dislike of McBurnie because he wears his socks low or sommet

Actually no it isn’t.

Assuming Lys is summat like, it is he and Dids.

And the socks low or sommet jibe is laughable. Except it isn’t funny .

UTB

 

[sufcboy95]

Robinson looked class last pre season and then was out of his depth when he came up against some decent defenders.

If we still play a flat 3 then it’ll be Mcburnie and Didsy.
I’ll be dissapointed if we don’t bring in another striker though

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Dennis and Cordoba,i can dream.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Surely I can't be the only one viewing this thread expecting to see some boobs

 

[ComedyClub]

IF we sign a new striker, Dennis for example.. I'd go MCB and Dennis (or MCB and a new pacey striker who's armed with a few tricks) MCB has to start. Guy is quality, but he needs ball to feet.. not ball to the edge of their box from 50ft up in the air... Can't say this enough... HE'S NOT A TARGET MAN DESPITE HIS SIZE.

 

[cahill]

I have absolutely no facts to back this up but can't help but feel Moose is going to have a stormer this season 15 goals for us and repays the patience and faith CWAK have given him

Wouldn't that be just great. Seems like a lad that needs an arm around the shoulder. Can't be easy being the only French lad in a squad full of Brits and Irish who I'm presuming CWAK " understand".

 

[TommyC]

Wouldn't that be just great. Seems like a lad that needs an arm around the shoulder. Can't be easy being the only French lad in a squad full of Brits and Irish who I'm presuming CWAK " understand".

It looks like when he has scored the club have got right round him this year but agree It can’t be easy for the kid,

I think he gets a lot of stick which for his onfield effort this season has been fair cop sometimes (certainly think the second half of the season) but for his off field insta escapades is BS, if you’ve grown up as a millennial, I’d say trying to give it the big’un on social media is just par for the course unfortunately and you have to separate the two

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Had a search but couldn't find a convo around this. I'm interested to see what people's thoughts are on who we start up front.

I'm expecting us to sign a striker but as things stand, Robinson has come back to us looking sharp in some of the videos, he's just won promotion with WBA, so my initial thinking is McBurnie and Robinson? McGoldrick in behind them linking up.

No sign of Mousset in some of the content put out by the club recently.

I don't think there's a simple answer to your question. I think of the current strikers at the club, McBurnie is in pole position. After that, it's a case of whoever else may be available and down to tactics which will change depending on the opposition.

I see McGoldrick being used more in the number 10 role than as an out and out striker.

I see Sharp being used as a bit-part player when we are chasing the game and looking for a goal.

I see Robinson as being nowhere near good enough at this level and I hope we sell him.

I see Mousset as being totally unreliable and I wouldn't dream of trying to build a team around him. If he hangs around and gets himself physically and mentally fit, then I can see him being used from the bench mainly when we are looking to add a bit of disruptive pace to a game.

So of the current crop, I only see McBurnie as having any longevity/credibility as a first choice striker. Which is why we need to sign at least one, if not two, other strikers, imo. Or one striker and one attacking midfielder with pace.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Agree.....the top 2 positions are impossible to predict and I reckon there’ll be surprises.

For example.
We will likely bring in a new striker...maybe even a top striker on loan....who instantly becomes our main man.
McBurnie and Moose are still young with high potential....one of even both of them could really make a mark this season or both could stagnate.
McBurnie seems to have the better all round game, still young, good attitude and high workrate....so is more likely to be our main asset,
Moose reminds me of a Christian Nade type.....could potentially be our best striker, better than McBurnie....but he could also drift into obscurity.

Think Sharp and McGoldtick will be mainly substititutes with the odd tactical appearance.
Last season we always seemed to lack something and struggle holding possession when McGoldrick didn’t play.
So the midfield need to find a formula so we don’t miss McGoldrick so much or maybe McGoldrick will play that floating Duffy attacking midfield role.

Robinson has shown he cant play as striker but he’s good out on the wing and coming inside....so his success will be based on how we use him
Even last season when he had quite poor games for us (seemed like he didnt like his position) Robbo still managed some match changing skills, with an assist or goal.
So I wouldn’t write off Robinson yet......but it’s almost like the David Brooks situation....not sure if Wilders tactics suits winger type players,

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Wouldn't that be just great. Seems like a lad that needs an arm around the shoulder. Can't be easy being the only French lad in a squad full of Brits and Irish who I'm presuming CWAK " understand".

I think he needs a kick up the arse personally and I don't think nationality or language has anything to do with it at all.

He's repeating here what he showed at Bournemouth. In 3 seasons there he made 58 appearances and scored 3 goals. He couldn't get in the team regularly for whatever reasons, but fitness was clearly an issue for him as we saw when he turned up here at the start of last season.

If I was Wilder I wouldn't be putting an arm round his shoulder. I'd be saying, "right, this is your 4th season at Premier League level. Some players play all their careers and never get that opportunity. It's probably your last chance to make it at this, the top level of league football in this country, if not the world. Up to now you've only showed odd glimpses of what you can do. There's no doubt you've got ability, but for whatever reasons, you haven't been able to apply it consistently. You need to get yourself physically and mentally in good shape to do that - and that's down to you personally, we'll support you as best we can, but it's not the role of the club to sort out your personal issues. We want you to be successful, but if you don't make a positive and sustained impact on the team this season you'll be on your way by Christmas and that chance may well have gone forever. Over to you".

Too harsh?

 

[BladeInIreland]

If moose is fit and ready then McBurnie and moose. If not it's McBurnie and Mcgoldrick.

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

We don't have a front two and can't see us ever having a set two whilst at this level. Rarely does a forward play a full game and there are few instances of the same two starting a run of games. Things have changed and the expectations to close down and link things up and the general mileage required mean that forwards are rotated regularly. The key is having a group that is flexible, interchangeable and able to offer different things whilst still doing the main thing, score goals.

Any incoming will either offer something missing, or be an upgrade on what we already have, ideally they'll provide both. And don't discount an improvement from existing players, specifically Mousset, Robinson and even McBurnie. A season at the club, training and playing under our system might just begin to click this time around.

Forget a 2, think a 5!

 

[Jon P]

I think he needs a kick up the arse personally and I don't think nationality or language has anything to do with it at all.

He's repeating here what he showed at Bournemouth. In 3 seasons there he made 58 appearances and scored 3 goals. He couldn't get in the team regularly for whatever reasons, but fitness was clearly an issue for him as we saw when he turned up here at the start of last season.

If I was Wilder I wouldn't be putting an arm round his shoulder. I'd be saying, "right, this is your 4th season at Premier League level. Some players play all their careers and never get that opportunity. It's probably your last chance to make it at this, the top level of league football in this country, if not the world. Up to now you've only showed odd glimpses of what you can do. There's no doubt you've got ability, but for whatever reasons, you haven't been able to apply it consistently. You need to get yourself physically and mentally in good shape to do that - and that's down to you personally, we'll support you as best we can, but it's not the role of the club to sort out your personal issues. We want you to be successful, but if you don't make a positive and sustained impact on the team this season you'll be on your way by Christmas and that chance may well have gone forever. Over to you".

Too harsh?

Not too harsh imo. I can see where you’re coming from it is starting to look like he’s repeating Bournemouth. Would love to be proved wrong and he stays consistent this season. But as you say if not shown something by Christmas he can be shown the door

 

[cahill]

I think he needs a kick up the arse personally and I don't think nationality or language has anything to do with it at all.

He's repeating here what he showed at Bournemouth. In 3 seasons there he made 58 appearances and scored 3 goals. He couldn't get in the team regularly for whatever reasons, but fitness was clearly an issue for him as we saw when he turned up here at the start of last season.

If I was Wilder I wouldn't be putting an arm round his shoulder. I'd be saying, "right, this is your 4th season at Premier League level. Some players play all their careers and never get that opportunity. It's probably your last chance to make it at this, the top level of league football in this country, if not the world. Up to now you've only showed odd glimpses of what you can do. There's no doubt you've got ability, but for whatever reasons, you haven't been able to apply it consistently. You need to get yourself physically and mentally in good shape to do that - and that's down to you personally, we'll support you as best we can, but it's not the role of the club to sort out your personal issues. We want you to be successful, but if you don't make a positive and sustained impact on the team this season you'll be on your way by Christmas and that chance may well have gone forever. Over to you".

Too harsh?

Don't know. I presume CWAK will confer with other members of the back room team to consider the right approach for each player, but maybe I'm over idealising what happens in reality. I suppose it's a given considering CWAKs success rate that they intuitively know about man management

 

[Birley Blade]

McBurnie should be starting every game and couldn’t care less who else starts. None of them are good enough. McGoldrick can run as much as he likes, 0 end product. Wrong side of 30. Sharp not good enough at this level. Also wrong side of 30. Moose is so inconsistent and always spits dummy out when it’s not going his way. Awkward position really because he’s definitely the most gifted ST we have. Need to sign someone.

 

[LenTednTony]

I reckon Mousset and Robinson for home games with McBurnie and McGoldrick for away games.

 

[WestSiberiaBlade]

McGoldrick & and hopefully some new player who knows how to bang them in every now and then. Six goals during a whole season for a striker like McBurnie isn't good enough. The lad needs to start from the bench, that may give him an incentive to try harder. A kick in the a*se.

 

[Gimli]

McGoldrick & and hopefully some new player who knows how to bang them in every now and then. Six goals during a whole season for a striker like McBurnie isn't good enough. The lad needs to start from the bench, that may give him an incentive to try harder. A kick in the a*se.

2 goals and 1 assist is good enough for McGoldrick though?

McBurnie has been working as hard as anyone - in fact his work rate is the best out of all our striking options so don’t understand the ‘try harder’ point at all.

If mousse can get fit, him and McBurnie are the best pair.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Don't know. I presume CWAK will confer with other members of the back room team to consider the right approach for each player, but maybe I'm over idealising what happens in reality. I suppose it's a given considering CWAKs success rate that they intuitively know about man management

You’re right and I trust CWAK to do the right thing with him. If it’s an arm around the shoulder that’s best then they are in the best position to know that. I just think whatever approach they take with him he has to realise that he needs to deliver or he’ll inevitably lose the opportunity and he may never get that opportunity again

 

[Bergen Blade]

It would have been interesting to see how a real partnership could do in our set up. A Deane & Agana combining, being an integral part of our attacks (not just waiting in the box for "service"), causing trouble with pace, strength, work rate and ability. Maybe McBurnie and a Watkins could have potential? Did Toney and Dembele play like that at Peterborough?

 

[XM657]

I think he needs a kick up the arse personally and I don't think nationality or language has anything to do with it at all.

He's repeating here what he showed at Bournemouth. In 3 seasons there he made 58 appearances and scored 3 goals. He couldn't get in the team regularly for whatever reasons, but fitness was clearly an issue for him as we saw when he turned up here at the start of last season.

If I was Wilder I wouldn't be putting an arm round his shoulder. I'd be saying, "right, this is your 4th season at Premier League level. Some players play all their careers and never get that opportunity. It's probably your last chance to make it at this, the top level of league football in this country, if not the world. Up to now you've only showed odd glimpses of what you can do. There's no doubt you've got ability, but for whatever reasons, you haven't been able to apply it consistently. You need to get yourself physically and mentally in good shape to do that - and that's down to you personally, we'll support you as best we can, but it's not the role of the club to sort out your personal issues. We want you to be successful, but if you don't make a positive and sustained impact on the team this season you'll be on your way by Christmas and that chance may well have gone forever. Over to you".

Too harsh?

Three paragraphs of concise fact and good assessment then the fourth two word paragraph you show a 'Mooseish' attribute of not being able to make up your mind.

Spot on post, Cerberus.

 

[WestSiberiaBlade]

2 goals and 1 assist is good enough for McGoldrick though?

McBurnie has been working as hard as anyone - in fact his work rate is the best out of all our striking options so don’t understand the ‘try harder’ point at all.

If mousse can get fit, him and McBurnie are the best pair.

For sure two goals and one assist are simply not enough. McGoldrick must improve in this aspect, and I'm pretty certain he knows it, as does Wilder, too. Yet I'd still play him, as I've lost count of the times he was very much instrumental in setting up a goal, even as he didn't provide the direct assist.

If Mousset was fit and more consistent, I might not even be suggesting of buying a new striker. I'd play him and McGoldrick up front.

I guess you do have a valid point there pointing it out to me that it really is quite daft of me to suggest that Oli should try harder. I suppose I turned to using that concept as some sort of euphemism not willing to put my opinion down plainly, as I don't necessarily like getting message after message of stick here... But you got me cornered. I simply don't think Oli is good enough, and I don't believe that he'll cut it in PL on the level needed. But I shall be more than happy being proven absolutely wrong.

 

[Gimli]

For sure two goals and one assist are simply not enough. McGoldrick must improve in this aspect, and I'm pretty certain he knows it, as does Wilder, too. Yet I'd still play him, as I've lost count of the times he was very much instrumental in setting up a goal, even as he didn't provide the direct assist.

If Mousset was fit and more consistent, I might not even be suggesting of buying a new striker. I'd play him and McGoldrick up front.

I guess you do have a valid point there pointing it out to me that it really is quite daft of me to suggest that Oli should try harder. I suppose I turned to using that concept as some sort of euphemism not willing to put my opinion down plainly, as I don't necessarily like getting message after message of stick here... But you got me cornered. I simply don't think Oli is good enough, and I don't believe that he'll cut it in PL on the level needed. But I shall be more than happy being proven absolutely wrong.

I know McBurnie has split opinion and I think we can all agree we want more goals from him, but I think hes our best striker - I also think with his age and career so far he has the greatest potential to improve (again with the exception of Moose who could arguably be good enough for a top 6/8 side if he realised his potential)

I get what you’re saying re. Didzy. We clearly play better with him in the side as he provides that link between midfield and up front but also has such composure on the ball etc.

My issue with Didzy, as much as I love him is that I don’t think a lot of that does actually lead to goals - I don’t think he’s as instrumental as you suggest.

 

[Revolution]

For sure two goals and one assist are simply not enough. McGoldrick must improve in this aspect, and I'm pretty certain he knows it, as does Wilder, too. Yet I'd still play him, as I've lost count of the times he was very much instrumental in setting up a goal, even as he didn't provide the direct assist.

This implies that you can't count higher than about 5 or 6.

 

[mattbianco1]

Surely I can't be the only one viewing this thread expecting to see some boobs

I thought it was going to be about Man City & Liverpool

 

[JPSharpy93]

I think it has to be McGoldrick and McBurnie at the moment but iid love to see us bring in Brewster or Abraham to add some real quality and pace.

 

[RecordBreakers]

I'd go mcburnie & moose if we can get him fit happy and firing thats if we don't bring anybody else in at the top end. I get people like mcgoldrik but he isn't gonna score enough and all this "he's our most creative player" is bull, he made 2 assists last season. Yes he's probably the most comfortable on the ball but creative wise he isn't.