Where did it all go wrong?

[Bladesway]

Still can't see where I said I was wise? (I'm not by the way :-0) Of course you are entitled to your view sir, and I'm entitled to comment on your view. My view is you just don't like the bloke and it clouds your judgement. Amen.

Your insinuation that you are one of the "wiser ones" is enough and you know it is. Back to the not liking Warnock. It wasn't always the way. Your right, I can't stand him as a man these days but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the good things he did. I can list them and some games we played over his tenure made me glow with pride. The Play off Semi against Forest, the Semi Final First Leg V Liverpool at the Lane, his exceptionally shrewd purchase of Ships when no one really thought for one minute he was either fit or capable to name but a few. Doubles at the Sty, Carl Asaba, DJaffo, Michael Brown etc etc. But to be more than an average manager you have to take that and move it forward.

Dave Bassett was a great manager who moved us forward in spite of having the rug pulled from under him. No one since has the right to that title of a great manager because no one has kept us in the top flight.

Warnock had as much money as he needed that January transfer window but he bottled it. In my opinion it is that January transfer window that started the slide that ended where we are now.

Also, the way the man behaves dragged us into disrepute on more times than I care to mention. His masterminding of the Battle of Bramall Lane and the way he used Suffo and Santos as scapegoats to save his own career. The way he went into the Premiership season as "glad to be there" and the way, when it ultimately capitulated there was the wrangle over his own contract (always him) and the way he talked about Liverpool et al fielding weakened teams. If he didnt have that streak of shit through his soul he could have been a better manager.

I notice he lost against Wigan again this weekend. Wigan are certs to go down aren't they? Anyone fancy a wager that QPR finish bottom 3 this season and it all turns sour for Neil at some point?

 

[judge]

Your insinuation that you are one of the "wiser ones" is enough and you know it is. Back to the not liking Warnock. It wasn't always the way. Your right, I can't stand him as a man these days but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate the good things he did. I can list them and some games we played over his tenure made me glow with pride. The Play off Semi against Forest, the Semi Final First Leg V Liverpool at the Lane, his exceptionally shrewd purchase of Ships when no one really thought for one minute he was either fit or capable to name but a few. Doubles at the Sty, Carl Asaba, DJaffo, Michael Brown etc etc. But to be more than an average manager you have to take that and move it forward.

Dave Bassett was a great manager who moved us forward in spite of having the rug pulled from under him. No one since has the right to that title of a great manager because no one has kept us in the top flight.

Warnock had as much money as he needed that January transfer window but he bottled it. In my opinion it is that January transfer window that started the slide that ended where we are now.

Also, the way the man behaves dragged us into disrepute on more times than I care to mention. His masterminding of the Battle of Bramall Lane and the way he used Suffo and Santos as scapegoats to save his own career. The way he went into the Premiership season as "glad to be there" and the way, when it ultimately capitulated there was the wrangle over his own contract (always him) and the way he talked about Liverpool et al fielding weakened teams. If he didnt have that streak of shit through his soul he could have been a better manager.

I notice he lost against Wigan again this weekend. Wigan are certs to go down aren't they? Anyone fancy a wager that QPR finish bottom 3 this season and it all turns sour for Neil at some point?

history rewritten bom stylee

 

[Revolution]

come 1/2 of those if 6 were good buys

with Hulse being our top scorer that season, Shelton was great player with good pace & i belive he would developed into a stiker & he has gone to play in the champions league. & Kilgallon has proved he was a great CB

Hulse was a good buy, I agree.

Shelton was not a great player. He had 1 good game in the PL, at Old Trafford, where of course we did not score. He was woeful in every other game in that league and in at least half of them the following season.

Kilgallon was a great centre half in the Championship. He was injured when we signed him, however, and only played 6 times in the PL. He did not play well. Of course, Sunderland are now finding out he is a very good Championship player but a poor PL player.

Neither Kilgallon nor Shelton (nor Fathi, nor Seck) were a blind bit of use in the PL.

 

[sitwell]

When he arrived we were in the Championship, when he left, we were in the Championship. Cock on pal.

I wonder where the site stands these days on personal abuse, anyone care to interject?

Show me the personal abuse...........................pal

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'He just cant keep his fucking big ego to himself. As I say, when its good, its always Warnock, when its bad, its always someone else. Sums the bastard up in a nutshell. Average and not fit to lace Dave Bassetts boots.'

There I found some for you.

 

[oldblade]

Amusing indeed. No thrashing just stating my view which so far as I am aware I am entitled to. Warnock did well to a point, but that is my point.

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Good, I'm pleased for you. My definition of improvement would be being in a different division to the one he found us in. And the mere technicality of "he left us 18th in the Premiership" shows how hollow the argument for him is.

P.S I still havent seen a good argument against my statement that the rot started with Warnock by the way.

So what amounts to the top end of the championship is no better than likely relegation from the championship?

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Amusing indeed. No thrashing just stating my view which so far as I am aware I am entitled to. Warnock did well to a point, but that is my point.

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P.S I still havent seen a good argument against my statement that the rot started with Warnock by the way.

And I haven't seen a good argument that it did start with Warnock.

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I notice he lost against Wigan again this weekend. Wigan are certs to go down aren't they? Anyone fancy a wager that QPR finish bottom 3 this season and it all turns sour for Neil at some point?

I notice they won at Everton the previous week. Are they certainties for the drop as well?

QPR may well go down, but at least he got them there in the first place. Something that several managers prior to his arrival at Bramall Lane and several more since his departure have failed to do for us.

 

[ZoneManWilf]

But to be more than an average manager you have to take that and move it forward.

Dave Bassett was a great manager who moved us forward.

Don't want to get massively involved in the debate as I have fond memories of both Warnock and Bassett but I acknowledge neither of them were perfect.

But by your rationale how could Bassett have been great if he took over us in the relegation zone of the Championship and left us back there, with the team in steep decline in 1995.

 

[oldblade]

Amusing indeed. No thrashing just stating my view which so far as I am aware I am entitled to. Warnock did well to a point, but that is my point.

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Well your point did not come across as stating that Warnock did well to a point. I'm sure you said the rot started with him. That does not seem to me to be saying he did well to a point.

 

[Bladesway]

QPR may well go down, but at least he got them there in the first place. Something that several managers prior to his arrival at Bramall Lane and several more since his departure have failed to do for us.

So by that standpoint the fact he got us up makes him great. Not keeping us up? Also, judging Warnock as great by the fact that everything since him has been shit (and in general it has) makes him great. Possibly shows why we will never agree really doesn't it. I set the bar by what should have been delivered rather than by whats been delivered since.

ZMW : By my rationale the difference between Warnock and Bassett is huge. 2 promotions (back to back) followed by keeping us in the division with absolutely no money to spend on players. Transfer embargos and having to raise money for players via fans collections. Compared to going to pieces when apparently safe, being more interested in your own contract extension over the most important match for the club in recent history and buying an absolute steaming pile of crap in January rather than going for broke and putting your neck on the line. Appreciate your comment though, its a fair reflection.

If we are talking about great managers being based on where they found us and where they left us, Porterfield would have been the best in modern times. He's not though is he?

 

[oldblade]

I have read and reread everything that I have written, and nowhere can I see that I have written that Warnock was great. What I have said is that he left us in a better position than when he arrived.

 

[Bladesway]

I have read and reread everything that I have written, and nowhere can I see that I have written that Warnock was great. What I have said is that he left us in a better position than when he arrived.

OK, that was my general perception of your comments. Apologies if its not so.