What's up with blades this weekend?

[McGrath]

“This is the highpoint, it’s all downhill for the next decade from here”

owls talk

I bet that same post has been repeated on Owlstalk every weekend for the last 3 years. I suppose they live in hope don't they

 

[Pinchy]

He isn't out of pocket by £100m though. No chance. No matter how many accountants on here tell me he is.

But let's assume he is. How bad must he be to put £100m into a business and gain nothing. Glad he's gone.

He’s done a great deal more for, and spent a great deal more on, our club than you and his other detractors ever will.

 

[BushBlade]

Would it be fair to say Kev's other businesses have very likely made plenty of money out of property and land in Chengdu, Ferenceveros sp? and a few other linked football club locations, - opportunities which he would never have seen without riding on the back of Utd?
I'd like to see someone put a value on that. He's been at United primarily for that very reason. This was also the driver for putting Robson in charge to incease foreign "business appeal" a decision which I'd suggest drove most of the losses Kev's Utd sustained in the subsequent period!
Tin hat on! ;-)

I’ve no issue about him using us to increase his profile and promote his businesses. I do have issues with us having to fund Chegdu’s losses, which I recall was something like £2m and I do wonder what other loans were were underwritten by the club or were lent with BL as security.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I’ve no issue about him using us to increase his profile and promote his businesses. I do have issues with us having to fund Chegdu’s losses, which I recall was something like £2m and I do wonder what other loans were were underwritten by the club or were lent with BL as security.

SUL ( so effectively McCabe/Scarborough )ended up funding Chengdu etc.

Any charges etc against BL will be listed at Companies House on the SUL account.

 

[Harry's Game]

He has. All credit to him. He’s doing all the things that I accurately said he wasn’t when he should have been left out.

Having a view, rightly or wrongly, about a particular player is, I think, rather different to a permanently negative, miserable mindset. There are times when it’s okay to be proud, to be confident, to celebrate how well you are doing rather than ‘calm down’, ‘don’t get carried away’ Right now is one of those times.

So basically I was right and you were wrong.

Thanks for confirming

 

[Pinchy]

So basically I was right and you were wrong.

Thanks for confirming

Quite how you deduce that...

 

[Tuns25]

SUL ( so effectively McCabe/Scarborough )ended up funding Chengdu etc.

Any charges etc against BL will be listed at Companies House on the SUL account.

I don't have the expertise to forensically unpick the accounts over the last couple of decades to know what McCabe has directly got out of it but there is a potential benefit often overlooked and is hard to quantify and that's the value of any deals done by McCabe's companies that were made possible because he was chairman of United.
Would the interest in Chengdu have helped Scarborough Group establish and grow in China and similar the interests in Australia and Hungary?
Nothing wrong in using United to open boardroom doors (surely it raises profile and paves the way for discussions that may not have happened) and no suggestion of wrongdoing but surely owning a football club brings benefits to your businesses and potentially significant ones.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't have the expertise to forensically unpick the accounts over the last couple of decades to know what McCabe has directly got out of it but there is a potential benefit often overlooked and is hard to quantify and that's the value of any deals done by McCabe's companies that were made possible because he was chairman of United.
Would the interest in Chengdu have helped Scarborough Group establish and grow in China and similar the interests in Australia and Hungary?
Nothing wrong in using United to open boardroom doors (surely it raises profile and paves the way for discussions that may not have happened) and no suggestion of wrongdoing but surely owning a football club brings benefits to your businesses and potentially significant ones.

Scarborough were already well established in China. No idea about elsewhere. Fradi appears to have been more to do with land development although they had been Hungarys top club for many years but were in decline.

 

[Pinchy]

I don't have the expertise to forensically unpick the accounts over the last couple of decades to know what McCabe has directly got out of it but there is a potential benefit often overlooked and is hard to quantify and that's the value of any deals done by McCabe's companies that were made possible because he was chairman of United.
Would the interest in Chengdu have helped Scarborough Group establish and grow in China and similar the interests in Australia and Hungary?
Nothing wrong in using United to open boardroom doors (surely it raises profile and paves the way for discussions that may not have happened) and no suggestion of wrongdoing but surely owning a football club brings benefits to your businesses and potentially significant ones.

What presence does Scarborough Group have in China, Australia or Hungary, or ever had?

 

[Harry's Game]

Quite how you deduce that...

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Cast your mind back to the late spring and a thread on our midfield where I said I am 100% confident John Fleck is good enough to play and thrive in the Premier League.

It would be fair to say you disagreed.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Quite how you deduce that...

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"He's strictly mediocre mate. He's also too small. But the S2 cognoscenti have made their minds up so he's a must-have and we mustn't miss out..."

 

[Pinchy]

Scarborough were already well established in China. No idea about elsewhere. Fradi appears to have been more to do with land development although they had been Hungarys top club for many years but were in decline.

I suspect the connections were intended to further the interests of Sheffield United. That has always been KM’s objective. Has he made mistakes? Hell yes, but no profits. The malice against him from NBWs on here is as transparent as it is absurd.

 

[Pinchy]

"He's strictly mediocre mate. He's also too small. But the S2 cognoscenti have made their minds up so he's a must-have and we mustn't miss out..."

I think that’s a bit harsh, Sean. I agree he was rubbish last season and some numpties saw what they wanted to see but he’s doing really well at the moment.

Now we’ve sorted that out all we have to do is persuade Evil Tufty and Inept Knill that our Billy must start every game, ‘cos he’s our favouritist favourite now.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I think that’s a bit harsh, Sean. I agree he was rubbish last season and some numpties saw what they wanted to see but he’s doing really well at the moment.

Now we’ve sorted that out all we have to do is persuade Evil Tufty and Inept Knill that our Billy must start every game, ‘cos he’s our favouritist favourite now.

It was your post before we signed him......

 

[Pinchy]

It was your post before we signed him......

I know...

 

[Sean Thornton]

I know...

Whooshed

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

He’s done a great deal more for, and spent a great deal more on, our club than you and his other detractors ever will.

Oh well I suppose I should be thankful for those 6 years in league 1, selling any player worth a look all because he's done more than I ever could wish to....

Thats not any kind of reasoning to defend him, is it? He's done more than me so I shouldn't slag him off?

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

The only person who has claimed to have put £100m in is Kev.

l’ve said £60m per the accounts. No doubt some dont accept that. I don’t count the hotel and business centre in that as they aren’t football related but they don’t add up to another £40m anyway.

Yet some still reckon he’s made a profit.

£60m over 20 years is £5m a year. Granted it will not be that simple but for arguments sake, let's assume that's the input.

£5m a year. Every year. That includes Premier league parachutes and West Ham money. Where did he throw it all? Heavens knows it wasn't at the playing squad.

 

[Sean Thornton]

£60m over 20 years is £5m a year. Granted it will not be that simple but for arguments sake, let's assume that's the input.

£5m a year. Every year. That includes Premier league parachutes and West Ham money. Where did he throw it all? Heavens knows it wasn't at the playing squad.

It's £3m a year but if you think about the amount of shite players we've had......

Look at that disgusting final Hammond deal that Madkins set up. Who signed that off? McCabe as much as any of us must have realised how useless he was. Had he taken his eye of the ball or did whoever had been put in charge drop that bollock. You don't need many of them over the years. All McCabe appointments l know but we've had some proper planks as CEO, and that's without even thinking about Bonnie Brannigan and Clyde Clough.

 

[Bladesman]

£60m over 20 years is £5m a year. Granted it will not be that simple but for arguments sake, let's assume that's the input.

£5m a year. Every year. That includes Premier league parachutes and West Ham money. Where did he throw it all? Heavens knows it wasn't at the playing squad.

To be fair we know most of that West Ham money went on Bryan Robson's tab.