What's the Process for Signing Players?

[William Henry Foulkes]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

Well seem as though you only have 4-5 people that aren't block this could possibly be the shortest thread ever from your point of view.

 

[wizadry]

You should know, Kev!

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Before: Mal Brannigan, acting under strict orders from Herr Clough.

Now? Some carpet salesman decides, doesn't he? After consulting a vast committee first, including the manager.

 

[JohnDenver]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

He'll have an overall budget and would have to make his case to the board to extend that. But I'd like to think there's a committee who review every purchase before funds are released, regardless of budgetary constraint.

 

[Bladeloyal]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

He's not worth 3 k a year offer him 100k and a coaching role .he won't get a better offer at 33

 

[SwissBlade]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

As he's got me on ignore, Someone tell William Henry Foulkes this:

Its similar to a tender process for a project:
Technical - Adkins and the football committee will decide who they want from a technical perspective (not just Hammond, but probably 3/4 options)
Commercial - The finance people will discuss and negotiate with the opposing club and the agent of the player to get the "Best financial deal"

Unlike a tender, the commercial and technical (football committee) reccomendations will be given to a non footballing man (probably chairman/ owners) for final sign off...

 

[Barney]

No replies on his screen as of yet.

 

[Esablade]

I believe they phone this bloke, he cast's a chart and they take it from there...

 

[zablade]

The likely scenario this summer is to ask "are they out of contract" and therefore won't command a fee.

If so we will offer them terms and let them see I'd they can find anything better before they yes ( if they are 30ish and injury prone) or no (if they are younger, fit and Bolton can offer them a better deal)

If it involves paying a transfer fee forget about it completely.

 

[Sean Thornton]

No replies on his screen as of yet.

 

[Jostein's Bandage]

Ridiculous way to run a club. I don't care what Clough did wrong, the only way to run a football club is to say to the manager...here's what you can spend...here's your wage budget. Do what you feel is right. Otherwise the guy isn't a manager, he's a motivational speaker.

 

[SwissBlade]

Ridiculous way to run a club. I don't care what Clough did wrong, the only way to run a football club is to say to the manager...here's what you can spend...here's your wage budget. Do what you feel is right. Otherwise the guy isn't a manager, he's a motivational speaker.

Why does football have to be different to other industries? I work in an industry where we're awarding contracts for 10, 20, 50, 100 Million on a regular basis. The technical Unit will evaluate bids from a technical basis, Commercial is evaluated by the Contracts department and then the best bid wins.... Its not always the cheapest because you take technical and commercial into consideration after both have been evaluated independently.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Why does football have to be different to other industries? I work in an industry where we're awarding contracts for 10, 20, 50, 100 Million on a regular basis. The technical Unit will evaluate bids from a technical basis, Commercial is evaluated by the Contracts department and then the best bid wins.... Its not always the cheapest because you take technical and commercial into consideration after both have been evaluated independently.

This is a great point I read a book called Soccernomics which goes in great depth to support the fact that football keeps making the same mistakes because they aren't run like normal businesses are.

 

[Bladesman]

"I want that useless over the hill sack of shite, can I have some cash to sign him please?"

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm led to believe that it's a nightmare to get anything signed off at Bramall Lane because everything needs sanctioning by two owners rather than one person.

I was also told that whoever is supposed to manage our transfers was that busy with his own business throughout January that he was able to spend virtuelly no time whatsoever on his transfer duties here.

 

[SwissBlade]

This is a great point I read a book called Soccernomics which goes in great depth to support the fact that football keeps making the same mistakes because they aren't run like normal businesses are.

You can see why, all these super rich owners coming in and how many of them, knowing nothing about football, decide to start playing championship manager with their new toy? Look at Hull and Cardiff as great examples. Even our very own have known better...

I'm led to believe that it's a nightmare to get anything signed off at Bramall Lane because everything needs sanctioning by two owners rather than one person.

And if the football club has shareholders, other than just 100% ownership by one entity, the other shareholders will want to ensure that there are procedures in place for financial constraint/ restraint. Most normal companies will have a scale for signing off expenditure.

I worked on a Euro 8 Billion project, anything over 1 Million required 2 directors to sign off, thats fairly standard.

 

[longinthe toothblade]

(Came up in the J Mac thread.)

This could apply to anyone but I'll use Dean Hammond and roundish numbers as an example.

Adkins decides he wants Hammond to stay.
He thinks he's worth £10 000 per week wages.
He thinks he's worth a 2 year contract.

Who makes the final decision on this? In the end it is a football decision. It'd be very hard for a bean counter to say to Adkins, Hammond is worth £9 000 per week.

Anyone know what the process is?

Does the manager have an overall budget for the season and it's up to him to allocate it? Or is it case by case?

Thought you just told them Kev?

 

[Jon Bon]

Is there anyone not on WHF's ignore list? It's like trying to have a conversation with Tommy.

 

[pommpey]

Technical - Adkins and the football committee will decide who they want from a technical perspective (not just Hammond, but probably 3/4 options)

In short, a load of PL/Championship good players who are in need of a run out and consistent football, having been replaced by some foreign fancy-pants and have fallen out of favour with their Sergio DiSergio manager

Commercial - The finance people will discuss and negotiate with the opposing club and the agent of the player to get the "Best financial deal"

In short, McCabe says "Fuck off. They'll cost a fucking fortune in wages and I need to redecorate the hotel, pay our overseas advertising and scouting executive and buy a Desso pitch. And if we start buying, those cunts out on the terraces will expect more if we get promoted. They'll want us in that Premier League and I'm not doing that again."

Unlike a tender, the commercial and technical (football committee) reccomendations will be given to a non footballing man (probably chairman/ owners) for final sign off...

See. Told you.

pommpey

 

[Woodwaaard]

The Technical "team" is no more

There was supposed to be a "process" put in place that ensured we only bought players who fitted certain criteria e.g below a certain age (not 35 ), having a re-sale value, being a certain physical size, having played more than 50% of available games in the season before signing for us

These are all the type of policies that are in place at the likes of Swansea & Watford (among others)

Our manager has declined to work within these parameters at present (he has to win matches NOW) and effectively has a direct line to Mr McCabe: hence the speed with which the Baptiste deal was concluded

Baptiste wouldn't have fitted the parameters of the suggested "process", however, he may prove to be an excellent loan signing

Who knows?

 

[Barney]

1) Manager is given budget.

2) Manager identifies targets in line with budget.

3) Discussions and agreements made by buying parties owner(s) and manager with target clubs owner(s) and manager for any fees.

4) Discussions and agreements made by buying parties owner(s) and manager with target clubs player for wages.

5) Paperwork for any fees signed off by owners of both parties.

6) Paperwork for player wages signed by player.

No idea if that is the process but I think that is how it should be.

 

[hoylandblade]

Hammond is on £18 grand a week from us & the same from Leicester.

 

[Treeton Blade]

After the chart is completed, and discussed over a 3 month period, the window has closed, then plans begin for the next window, and beyond

 

[GreasyChipBeattie]

He's not worth 3 k a year offer him 100k and a coaching role .he won't get a better offer at 33

He's not worth £3K a year, so we would be offering him over 33 year's work as a coach?!
Somebody was sent out of maths class a lot weren't they?!!

 

[SwissBlade]

In short, a load of PL/Championship good players who are in need of a run out and consistent football, having been replaced by some foreign fancy-pants and have fallen out of favour with their Sergio DiSergio manager



In short, McCabe says "Fuck off. They'll cost a fucking fortune in wages and I need to redecorate the hotel, pay our overseas advertising and scouting executive and buy a Desso pitch. And if we start buying, those cunts out on the terraces will expect more if we get promoted. They'll want us in that Premier League and I'm not doing that again."



See. Told you.

pommpey

And thats all fine, but you also probably complained that we spent too much on Brayford, so they can't win can they...

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Hammond is on £18 grand a week from us & the same from Leicester.

Have we split his wages then? - that being so, he'd have been better off stopping at Leicester, at least he'd have seen some decent football

 

[pommpey]

And thats all fine, but you also probably complained that we spent too much on Brayford, so they can't win can they...

We'll never know how much they spent on Brayford, will we? It's anything from £1m to £2m.

If they were spending that much on a right back when the central defence was patched up post-Maguire with a left back and a central midfielder, then I'd say anyone has every right to bitch about it. Especially when the central defender of choice is Collins, proven to be way past his level in div one.

Brayford was in principle and in perspective, a rather stupid purchase.

pommpey

 

[blade too long]

If only if it was that simple
theres image rights and sell on clauses loyalty payments goal bonuses and kit washing subs

 

[SwissBlade]

We'll never know how much they spent on Brayford, will we? It's anything from £1m to £2m.

If they were spending that much on a right back when the central defence was patched up post-Maguire with a left back and a central midfielder, then I'd say anyone has every right to bitch about it. Especially when the central defender of choice is Collins, proven to be way past his level in div one.

Brayford was in principle and in perspective, a rather stupid purchase.

pommpey

So when we spend money, its stupid purchases, when we don't we've got no ambition.