What Sammon Brings

[judge]

What a patronising self indulgent opening post

 

[biggey blade]

I can't understand why people are still thinking sammon brings some thing to our side.

He simply isn't good enough we got him to add strength and physical aspect to the game he adds neither.

He can't hold the ball up because his first touch is shocking. He can't keep the ball at his feet at all he is utter useless. He can't win the ball in the air despite been 6 foot 2 and jumps far to early. For people to say to play to his strengths and play it him on the floor is totally useless, the whole point in him been in the team is to add the aspect of been able to lump it up to him and hope he can hold it up for us. If we are going to play it into his feet why not just stick with sharp as he is just as strong as sammon and has a lot better control of the ball as he has shown.

I agree he has had a couple of decent matches the best match he had for me was Peterbrough away, where yes he looked good and played good but the be all and end all is he is simply not good enough and doesn't add the aspects of the game we want him to.

Simply get rid!

 

[PeteBlade]

What a patronising self indulgent opening post

Aren't they all?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Sammon holding up the ball?

Sammon's second touch is a tackle

I understand this is hilarious but it's also not true.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I can't understand why people are still thinking sammon brings some thing to our side.

He simply isn't good enough we got him to add strength and physical aspect to the game he adds neither.

He can't hold the ball up because his first touch is shocking. He can't keep the ball at his feet at all he is utter useless. He can't win the ball in the air despite been 6 foot 2 and jumps far to early. For people to say to play to his strengths and play it him on the floor is totally useless, the whole point in him been in the team is to add the aspect of been able to lump it up to him and hope he can hold it up for us. If we are going to play it into his feet why not just stick with sharp as he is just as strong as sammon and has a lot better control of the ball as he has shown.

I agree he has had a couple of decent matches the best match he had for me was Peterbrough away, where yes he looked good and played good but the be all and end all is he is simply not good enough and doesn't add the aspects of the game we want him to.

Simply get rid!

Couldn't disagree more. If you actually watch his contribution in the Bradfird game it was first class (with one obvious exception) most of our chances went through him.

Our best sustained performance of the season and he was a key part of it.

 

[judge]

Couldn't disagree more. If you actually watch his contribution in the Bradfird game it was first class (with one obvious exception) most of our chances went through him.

Our best sustained performance of the season and he was a key part of it.

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I know more about football than everyone else on here
Repeat ad nauseum

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I don't think we can afford to play higher up the pitch without first improving (speeding up) the centre of defence.

Collins and Edgar are good when the play is in front of them, such as at Man United for example, however as soon as a team get in behind and get them turning (Wigan) we start to look very porous as a unit and teams come through us at will. Hammond and Basham both sit deep to fill the gaps that appear, and with little outlet we end up giving the ball back to the opposition and can't get out of our own half for long periods.

And Sammon provides the outlet.

 

[biggey blade]

Couldn't disagree more. If you actually watch his contribution in the Bradfird game it was first class (with one obvious exception) most of our chances went through him.

Our best sustained performance of the season and he was a key part of it.

If you honestly think sammon is good enough for us then I think you have been watching some thing totally different to me.

He is taking a wage some one else could be getting that could be doing a much better job.

He is meant to be the big man up front and offer us a outlet of been able to lump it up front if needs be and him to hold the ball up. He doesn't do this as he can't win the ball in the air at all and hardly ever even attempts to jump and when he does he jumps far to early. His first touch is appalling and he can't hold the ball up so what is he adding to the team?

 

[PeteBlade]

Couldn't disagree more. If you actually watch his contribution in the Bradfird game it was first class (with one obvious exception) most of our chances went through him.

Our best sustained performance of the season and he was a key part of it.

If you actually watched his contribution in most games you'd realise he really isn't very good.

And won't be here next season.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Missed him so much he got 2 mins at the end of the game !!

Read in to that what you will. Cos that's about what you can realistically expect going forwards.

Starting to wonder if someone is a a bit disconnected from the reality of the situation and trying like hell to understand why !!

In my opinion.

UTB

I read into that that he's low on confidence. As I put in another post Bradford (H) Done went off, Sammon came on and we played probably our best football of the season. I don't think this is a coincidence.

The move leading to his miss encapsulates him as a player:

Receives the ball.back to goal
Controls it and turns
Plays.a.very good tight ball into Billy
Runs into the box
Misses.from a yard out

(Scores a good goal later)

McEveley was Scapegoat of the Month, and he was.abused by the crowd, turns out he's not that bad at left back, and several posts have him as MoM in various recent games.

At peak scapegoating Bergen Blade posted a breakdown of all McEveley's contributions in one game where he got particular hate. He'd done a decent job.

It looks to me like the abuse is getting to Sammon and we are being deprived of the services of a key player.

A bit like Long earlier in the season, maybe.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If you honestly think sammon is good enough for us then I think you have been watching some thing totally different to me.

He is taking a wage some one else could be getting that could be doing a much better job.

He is meant to be the big man up front and offer us a outlet of been able to lump it up front if needs be and him to hold the ball up. He doesn't do this as he can't win the ball in the air at all and hardly ever even attempts to jump and when he does he jumps far to early. His first touch is appalling and he can't hold the ball up so what is he adding to the team?

As posted elsewher Bradford (H) he was a key part of our best performance.

Pairing Done, Adams, or Sammon with Billy, each have their strengths and weaknesses. A confident on form Sammon would be our best chance of promotion.

 

[biggey blade]

As posted elsewher Bradford (H) he was a key part of our best performance.

Pairing Done, Adams, or Sammon with Billy, each have their strengths and weaknesses. A confident on form Sammon would be our best chance of promotion.

I think we will have to agree to disagree then if that's what you think but I can't see it he is simply not good enough in my eyes and never will be. He is taking a big wage that we could be paying some one else that would do a better job. He has had a couple of good games but they have been massively over shadowed by the bad games he has had. And for me he is simply not good enough and we need to get rid. And for you to say he is the best hope of promotion we have really? So he is better than a in form billy sharp who has scored 6 in 6 and is playing for the whole team some times. How can sammon be the best hope of promotion we have?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I agree we are missing something - I don't agree it's Sammon.

We need someone who can hold the ball, and someone with aerial prowess. He can do the former a little, he's truly woeful at the latter.

As for the scapegoat bit - every team has one - but you might think of it as every team having a worst performer. It's a matter of fact and the fans can spot it. Sammon fits that mould, for me.

If we're guilty of anything as fans, it's seeing more in players than they really have more often than less. It's no surprise that our scapegoats end up at places like Shrewsbury.

UTB

Confident and on form he holds the ball up extremely well, and then distributes it, for me that's his job in the team. And it's essential to our success.

Like a lot of tall players he's not very good in the air, but I don't think he needs to be.

(Despite what Keith drones on about) The last thing we need is hopeless flick ons stretching the game even further.

As for scapegoating McEveley was the most prominent early in the season and things have gone quiet on that front. To the extent that where he was seriously at fault - Wigan's first - barely a murmur.

The point about scapegoating is it places the blame where it does not lie.

All I can do is point to his contribution to the Bradford home game. Our best performance and he was part of it.

 

[sheffielder]

So the conclusion to this thread is that the OP is off his tits.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I think we will have to agree to disagree then if that's what you think but I can't see it he is simply not good enough in my eyes and never will be. He is taking a big wage that we could be paying some one else that would do a better job. He has had a couple of good games but they have been massively over shadowed by the bad games he has had. And for me he is simply not good enough and we need to get rid. And for you to say he is the best hope of promotion we have really? So he is better than a in form billy sharp who has scored 6 in 6 and is playing for the whole team some times. How can sammon be the best hope of promotion we have?

I meant as a partner to Billy.

Done doesn't link play at all. But scores.

Adams often seems to have the best understanding with Billy but he has defensive weaknesses and over all hasn't progressed as much as he might - but again he scores.

Sammon and Sharp are not Keegan and Toshack but when he plays the *team* is better.

 

[judge]

Confident and on form he holds the ball up extremely well, and then distributes it, for me that's his job in the team. And it's essential to our success.

Like a lot of tall players he's not very good in the air, but I don't think he needs to be.

(Despite what Keith drones on about) The last thing we need is hopeless flick ons stretching the game even further.

As for scapegoating McEveley was the most prominent early in the season and things have gone quiet on that front. To the extent that where he was seriously at fault - Wigan's first - barely a murmur.

The point about scapegoating is it places the blame where it does not lie.

All I can do is point to his contribution to the Bradford home game. Our best performance and he was part of it.

Translation
I dont do agree to disagree
You are wrong and i will not rest until you realise this

 

[Revolution]

Translation
I dont do agree to disagree
You are wrong and i will not rest until you realise this

You're wasting your time. He'll have you on ignore. I think I am too.

 

[judge]

You're wasting your time. He'll have you on ignore. I think I am too.

he has
Thats why im.doing it

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

United fans don't scapegoal players, we just call it as we see it. If they play crap, just like most northerners we'll say so. If they put performances in, as McEveley has recently, then they don't get slated, ala McEveley hasn't been slagged off recently.

Apart from the odd game Sammon has been awful, and I'm thinking Chris Guthrie awful here. Get him sent back to Derby and get Clarke in from Bury.

 

[wizadry]

You're wasting your time. He'll have you on ignore. I think I am too.

He has a lot of people on ignore it seems. Says more about him than anybody else, pig ignorant.

 

[PeteBlade]

Confident and on form he holds the ball up extremely well, and then distributes it, for me that's his job in the team. And it's essential to our success.

Like a lot of tall players he's not very good in the air, but I don't think he needs to be.

(Despite what Keith drones on about) The last thing we need is hopeless flick ons stretching the game even further.

As for scapegoating McEveley was the most prominent early in the season and things have gone quiet on that front. To the extent that where he was seriously at fault - Wigan's first - barely a murmur.

The point about scapegoating is it places the blame where it does not lie.

All I can do is point to his contribution to the Bradford home game. Our best performance and he was part of it.

It seems you can add Keith Edwards (whose comments all season have been bang on ) to the just of people this chap thinks he knows better than.

Also, his entire argument that Sammon offers a lot is based on one game, conveniently ignoring all the other games where he's been shite.

 

[Tyler Durden]

None of this side lacks confidence, what they lack is the application and/or ability. In Sammons case it is most certainly the latter.
Big target men generally have limited technique, but they do have a part to play. They win the ball, they hold off defenders, they win aerial battles and as a bonus they sometimes stick one in the back of the net when it's harder to bloody miss.
Sammon has consistently proven that he can do none of those things.

It's not a question of confidence. It's not as if this side has a vast wealth of unlocked potential. They are substandard across the board.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

I reckon Sammon does improve the side's shape when he plays. Sadly, too often when the ball goes near him (within that improved team shape), it bounces off him, or he's slow to react to it, or he miscontrols it.

Lack of confidence or lack of ability? More the former, I think. For a big man, he's surprisingly skilful at times.

Problem is, we can't carry any passengers. And, whatever the reason, he's far too often a passenger.

Walsall have superconfident Tom Bradshaw; we have terrified Conor Sammon. Sort of sums up our place in the football pantheon right now.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

None of this side lacks confidence, what they lack is the application and/or ability. In Sammons case it is most certainly the latter.
Big target men generally have limited technique, but they do have a part to play. They win the ball, they hold off defenders, they win aerial battles and as a bonus they sometimes stick one in the back of the net when it's harder to bloody miss.
Sammon has consistently proven that he can do none of those things.

It's not a question of confidence. It's not as if this side has a vast wealth of unlocked potential. They are substandard across the board.

So being abused within earshot has not affected his confidence?

I disagree. He played very well earlier in the season. There has been a dip in form. I think it's likely down to confidence.

I don't think anyone is claiming a vast wealth of blocked potential, though you could argue that is what has happened to an extent with Coutts - and even Long and Baxter.

I imagine generally the players will be playing as well as they can and this is due to Adkins' management.

But that's not the OP.

Sammon was key. He is now underperforming. Unless he recovers that will cost us.

 

[judge]

I disagree.

ooh really ?

 

[Tyler Durden]

Sammon was key. He is now underperforming. Unless he recovers that will cost us.

He's cost us exponentially already.......by underperforming, as he has almost perpetually since the first few games in August.
If he is now the saviour of our season then it speaks volumes about this team....luckily, he isn't.

 

[wizadry]

So being abused within earshot has not affected his confidence?

I disagree. He played very well earlier in the season. There has been a dip in form. I think it's likely down to confidence.

I don't think anyone is claiming a vast wealth of blocked potential, though you could argue that is what has happened to an extent with Coutts - and even Long and Baxter.

I imagine generally the players will be playing as well as they can and this is due to Adkins' management.

But that's not the OP.

Sammon was key. He is now underperforming. Unless he recovers that will cost us.

I'd love to ask you some questions regarding this post but I think I'll save the time and effort.

#ignorantsoandso

 

[Chezzy Blades]

And Sammon provides the outlet.

He 'should' provide the outlet.

Apart from the Bradford game that you have mentioned and Peterborough away, he hasn't done nearly enough to warrant a place in the team. In my opinion if we're serious about going up, we need to improve on him and find a better partner for Sharp before the end on January.

 

[alcoblade]

Confident and on form he holds the ball up extremely well, and then distributes it, for me that's his job in the team. And it's essential to our success.

Like a lot of tall players he's not very good in the air, but I don't think he needs to be.

(Despite what Keith drones on about) The last thing we need is hopeless flick ons stretching the game even further.

As for scapegoating McEveley was the most prominent early in the season and things have gone quiet on that front. To the extent that where he was seriously at fault - Wigan's first - barely a murmur.

The point about scapegoating is it places the blame where it does not lie.

All I can do is point to his contribution to the Bradford home game. Our best performance and he was part of it.

I agree with the bit about him being decent on the ball when on form.

I disagree that it doesn't matter that he's not good in the air, and that most tall people aren't. He's severely lacking there, and we miss someone who is able to do it. The idea that we'd be worse if it were our player knocking the ball on rather than theirs is a strange one to me.

I agree McCeveley has become a scapegoat for some. But let's remember it's poor performance in the first place that brought that on. He should have been dropped last season when he lost his form, but Clough's apparent hatred of defenders meant we had no options but to keep playing a player who needed a break.

McCeveley has been good of late, but there are still some who are struggling to recognise that.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

He has a lot of people on ignore it seems. Says more about him than anybody else, pig ignorant.

And me

Found a picture of WHF and junior on the way to a match..