what Ive learned from S24su

[Kenilworth]

Home results are vital - dropping 5 points from last 6 available is a shocker

Someone suggested we could only afford to drop a max of 12 when we still had 18 games to go - Since then we have dropped 7
So, that means just one defeat and one draw left and PoF is all we can get.

In reality it's all done bar the shouting, anyway - Preston's 5 wins and a draw sequence in that time - dropping 2 points to our 7 means that we are now 10 points behind them with 13 matches to go. We will not claw that gap back against them as they can mix it up as well as out football teams.

I've been saying for some while that the top two will be Preston up with Brizzle - based on their suitability for getting out of this league (Grayson knows how)
We are hanging on in there (not challenging autos obviously) but our inconsistency does not constitute a barnstorming run to set up play off momentum.
Watch out for one of the chasing pack like Bradford, Donny or Chessie to come into the PO Semis on a high whilst we scramble through with a whimper.

I just do not believe that we have the quality or the power to get past the semi stage again this year - no where near enough goals in us to prevail over two legs and we will get sucker punched in at least one of the games.

We're like a skilful lightweight dancing round a cruiser weight - we can stay the rounds with nimble footwork but we can always get caught with a left hook and we're out. We can win if we are very lucky and land a beauty - but it has to be a fecking good one because our jab is powder puff and our upper-cut is non existent.

 

[Jehovah]

I doubt we will get promoted under Clough. Bit tired of people who can't take wins and defeats for what they are. Last night was shambolic and the win against Bristol City was amazing. Unfortunately if you look back at this season, the Bristol type results have been very rare and we lose too many games like last night to be taken seriously.

I still say Flynn should have been taken off, because that's 2 games in 3 days and probably his only consecutive games of the season. - Hamstring injuries happen to all types of athletes, from Olympic sprinters to ... The major factors in hamstring injuries are low levels of fitness and poor flexibility

Very poor management in my opinion

Wheres this taken from? Footballers suffer hamstring inuries all the time. I doubt they have low levels of fitness.

 

[Jon Bon]

The main thing that I've learned from S24SU is that Keynes’ solution to economic crises was a short-term panacea, while Hayek advocated a market driven solution that would result in a more sustainable productive economic structure. Keynes assumed that as incomes rise, people tend to save more, therefore, the society’s propensity to consume reduces as more of the income is saved. As a result, the society’s investment multiplier will be lower. According to Keynes, the market mechanism is incapable to connect savings with investment. Instead, investment is dependent on business expectations and the creditors’ liquidity preferences that determine interest rates. As a result, the capitalist system is prone to suffer from a systemic lack of demand and, as a consequence, a chronic level of unemployment. Hayek’s central proposition however - that booms and busts are a result of malinvestment created by the government interference in the operation of free market, can be viewed a result of the very policies advocated by the dogmatic Keynesians of today.

 

[Kenilworth]

Wheres this taken from? Footballers suffer hamstring inuries all the time. I doubt they have low levels of fitness.

Yep - I too think that is bollocks
I suffered from tight hammy's all the time - in my case it was more physiology / genetic - you are also more susceptible when you have to make darting sprints more often - as in when you play more forward in a game. When I got my back injury that just made it worse - everything tightened up, calves, Achilles, hammys - the lot - all reference injury related. You'll find that sprinters who have thighs like tree trunks are far more susceptible than cross country fellers who are lithe and wiry. It's the explosion from a standing start that does it and each time you do that it tightens - because it tears and scars.

 

[longinthe toothblade]

Win on Saturday and everyone will be saying what a great manager he is and how good a he is doing.

What is with all the abuse he is receiving from the directors box? Seen a few tweets now about this from Linz & Foxy.

I don't think they will my friend but by the same token, I don't think it's all down to Clough.

 

[Jehovah]

Yep - I too think that is bollocks
I suffered from tight hammy's all the time - in my case it was more physiology / genetic - you are also more susceptible when you have to make darting sprints more often - as in when you play more forward in a game. When I got my back injury that just made it worse - everything tightened up, calves, Achilles, hammys - the lot - all reference injury related. You'll find that sprinters who have thighs like tree trunks are far more susceptible than cross country fellers who are lithe and wiry. It's the explosion from a standing start that does it and each time you do that it tightens - because it tears and scars.

Hamstring injuries are real bastards. Missed 8 weeks of the season with one last year and theres just nothing you can do but wait for it to heal. Stretching etc is recommended but they're horrible injuries.

 

[sitwell]

What I've learnt is the league tables don't lie, for a club with the largest support, largest budget, and largest squad we are massively underachieving in league one. Last night finally put to bed any remote chance of us challenging for a top two spot, the next question is can we hold on to a play off spot. Like I said elsewhere if the manager's name wasn't Clough he would have been down the road weeks ago. I'd really like to see Clough succeed but he hasn't got the nicknames "negative" and "non league Nigel" for nothing, more and more fans are beginning to realise it isn't going to happen with Nigel. All we are getting is a re-run of the warnings from Derby fans who mostly don't give a toss that he is no longer their boss.

Hes got those nicknames because they begin with N.

 

[Davie Blade]

Weir’s last Blades team v Crawley :- Long, McMahon, Collins, Maguire, Lappin, Brandy, Cuvelier, Doyle, Hall, King, Baxter
Clough’s Last match of season v Coventry:- Howard, Brayford, Collins, Maguire, Freeman, Flynn, Scougall, Doyle, Coady, Murphy, Baxter

A tweak is bringing 43of those players off the Weir bench into the team.Howard , Coady, and Murphy , (Flynn injured)
Then you miss the players out who McClaren actually brought on in the play off final to try and make your point.
Pathetic!

Clough adds 3 new players to an existing squad it a major rebuild.
McClaren adds 2 new players to starting eleven and 2 to the bench it's a tweak,
Whatever!

McClaren had brought 4 players in who played 38, 30, 23, 12 respectively games, into the play off final team
Did Clough bring ONE player who played 20 games, even with the cup run?

 

[Rodley]

What I've learnt on here is, just like real life, I don't enjoy the company of people who moan.

 

[Jehovah]

What I've learned is we are never getting out of this bastarding division

 

[alcoblade]

I think it is perfectly reasonable for fans to question Clough this season. The cup run apart it has been poor.

As for the comment about him managing at a higher level than us for 5 years, let's get this into context. The majority of Clough's managerial career has been in non-league. His one spell in the Championship with Derby included finishing 19th, 18th and 14th twice. He was then sacked. Derby then qualified for the play offs and are now 2nd.

I've questioned Clough all along. The jury is always out on a manager, for me.

The reaction and criticism of him for last nights debacle has been way OTT.

There's a tendency for fan opinion to sit at either end of a spectrum, and reality is rarely there.

UTB

 

[sheffielder]

Link please.

http://manchestersportspodiatry.co.uk/hamstring-strain/

There is also this...

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/...ing-plague-of-hamstrings/#VjBjKtYeQaO8Jl5X.99

• Some previous injuries can leave you at a higher risk of hamstring injury.
• You are also more vulnerable at injuring your hamstring when you are tired and working really hard.
• There is a greater incidence of hamstring injury in matches in the last 15 minutes of each half.

 

[sheffielder]

Wheres this taken from? Footballers suffer hamstring inuries all the time. I doubt they have low levels of fitness.

They have lower fitness than they normally do when returning from injury. Last night was I think the first time Flynn has played consecutive games.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Hes got those nicknames because they begin with N.

But if supporters were happier with the performances they wouldn't have given him the nicknames in the first place. He's done well off the back of his surname too.

 

[Living In a Fantasy World]

meh it was still a crap performance yesterday, so yeah fans are going to be negative.
I don't think there is a football board on this planet, where fans praise a manager for a poor performance and 0 points

 

[metalblade]

meh it was still a crap performance yesterday, so yeah fans are going to be negative.
I don't think there is a football board on this planet, where fans praise a manager for a poor performance and 0 points

There is ...................................... this one

 

[blade too long]

oh for the simpler times

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

depends on how much patience the board have nigel has brought in some quality players but as i said in an earlier post
the lack of physical presence and aggresion is costing us i accept we are a work in progress but i am baffled by clough,s failure to bring in some big and powerfull players bristol have got some giants in their team so have preston and many more
have too. we struggle all over the pitch for lack of height and the lose ball which this creates gives the opposition the upper hand in many situations,i am not asking for players to be dirty but last night was a typical example of power over finess we are losing out many times and opposition scouts pass this on to there clubs who then arm their players with it and many times we lose out in these battles.The one player who can compete with this kind of aggresion is kennedy and for a defender who is only 5 ft 10 lets the opposition know that he likes a battle unfortunately he has a bad knee which will stop him playing for a month and will have to be used sparingly when he is back ,clough likes him just a pity he cant find a few more like him.

Finlaytheblade . The board have patience with Mr Clough . Its us supporters who will call the shots at the end of the day . I suppose we have to look and not have to look very hard , how changing managers , or appointing the wrong managers in the past , have got us in the position we are in today . If we do not get promotion , will there be knee jerk or justified reactions , no idea and time will tell.

Sometimes , every asset you need , to get out of this league , we sometime lack. Like all of us , i just want promotion and don't care a toss how we achieve it . This season is a defining season in more ways than one . Lets hope we succeed.

UTB

 

[Aston max]

despite all that's happened I still think NC will get us out my only criticism is he has not been bold enough with the loan market most teams in our league position strengthen up front for a final push till May look at mclaren at Derby (bent ince and lingard ) please don't tell me they are a bigger club than the blades a question for jim and the board loans are not permanent why not push a bit of money at it for 5 months

 

[WhiteHawk]

Don't fancy our chances at all in the Play Offs. Not just because of record but I just don't think we've got what it takes to get past the semi final stage. With how we've played this season, I'm absolutely amazed that we're even in the Play Offs. Guess it just goes to show how shit this division really is.

 

[Silent Blade]

Finlaytheblade . . I suppose we have to look and not have to look very hard , how changing managers , or appointing the wrong managers in the past , have got us in the position we are in today . If we do not get promotion , will there be knee jerk or justified reactions , no idea and time will tell.

Sometimes , every asset you need , to get out of this league , we sometime lack. Like all of us , i just want promotion and don't care a toss how we achieve it . This season is a defining season in more ways than one . Lets hope we succeed.

UTB

Post of the week. Better than the one I posted earlier today

 

[davidpinder]

Clough is racist and got rid of JCR because hes black..

We don't have many though do we?

 

[Jehovah]

They have lower fitness than they normally do when returning from injury. Last night was I think the first time Flynn has played consecutive games.

Well yes if they're returning from injury they will have lower fitness levels. But players who have played about 30 consecutive games and are very fit can suddenly have their hamstring go.

 

[Kenilworth]

I've done mine in the warm up before - well not warmed up at all or had time to stretch.
Pre match - just on the field, a lad sent me a pass a bit wayward an shouted my name so instinctively I lifted a leg to trap the ball and bang, hammy gone, 6 weeks out
Scored 6 in a match the week before so I was gutted

 

[Blade56]

Maclaren only had to make a couple of changes and tweaks to the team that Clough built.

Yeh the same team NC could only get up to eleventh gets to the top of the league under McClaren.

 

[Davie Blade]

Weir’s last Blades team v Crawley :- Long, McMahon, Collins, Maguire, Lappin, Brandy, Cuvelier, Doyle, Hall, King, Baxter
Clough’s Last match of season v Coventry:- Howard, Brayford, Collins, Maguire, Freeman, Flynn, Scougall, Doyle, Coady, Murphy, Baxter

7 out of the starting 11 are different. I’d call that a fairly major “rebuild”.

I will take your word for it about Derby but Mclaren only changed 2 of the starting 11, I would call that a “tweak”.

The major rebuild you quote suggests the players are all new, When only 3 from the Cov game are Clough signings/loans, all the rest were already here.

An analysis of Clough vs McClaren in rebuilding/tweak (whatever you want to call it) their teams from their own signings is very illuminating.

I took your basis of only counting the managers new signings who make the starting X1 and ignoring being on the bench, to see what effect the mangers new signings have made.

Clough used 9 players in 33 league games giving 78 starts to his signings an average of 2.36 a game
McClearen used 7 players in 37 games giving 86 starts to his signings at an average of 2.32 a game.
So which was the major rebuild and which was the tweak?

Clough got 1.75 points a game
McClaren got 2 points a game

I know who I'd rather have as our manager!

I reckon most would here would swop in a heartbeat.

 

[Bladesman]

 

[sitwell]

The major rebuild you quote suggests the players are all new, When only 3 from the Cov game are Clough signings/loans, all the rest were already here.

An analysis of Clough vs McClaren in rebuilding/tweak (whatever you want to call it) their teams from their own signings is very illuminating.

I took your basis of only counting the managers new signings who make the starting X1 and ignoring being on the bench, to see what effect the mangers new signings have made.

Clough used 9 players in 33 league games giving 78 starts to his signings an average of 2.36 a game
McClearen used 7 players in 37 games giving 86 starts to his signings at an average of 2.32 a game.
So which was the major rebuild and which was the tweak?

Clough got 1.75 points a game
McClaren got 2 points a game

I know who I'd rather have as our manager!

I reckon most would here would swop in a heartbeat.

Just look at the players they had to build with ,they had good quality young players and internationals in a side already doing well ,we had the likes of Matt Hill and Tony McMahon and were losing every match.
I would rather have Clough than Maclaren anyday.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

The major rebuild you quote suggests the players are all new, When only 3 from the Cov game are Clough signings/loans, all the rest were already here.

An analysis of Clough vs McClaren in rebuilding/tweak (whatever you want to call it) their teams from their own signings is very illuminating.

I took your basis of only counting the managers new signings who make the starting X1 and ignoring being on the bench, to see what effect the mangers new signings have made.

Clough used 9 players in 33 league games giving 78 starts to his signings an average of 2.36 a game
McClearen used 7 players in 37 games giving 86 starts to his signings at an average of 2.32 a game.
So which was the major rebuild and which was the tweak?

Clough got 1.75 points a game
McClaren got 2 points a game

I know who I'd rather have as our manager!

I reckon most would here would swop in a heartbeat.

You really didn't need to do all that research on my account

The bottom line is Derby already had a decent team when Mclaren took over.
They were on a mini-slump of two league defeats, lost to their main local rival (Forest) and so they sacked him.
They might have gone on to achieve play-off form under Clough or they might not. We'll never know.
The fact that McClaren only changed 2 or 3 of the starting eleven for the Play-Off Final suggests the team he left behind wasn't too bad.

United were going absolutely nowhere under Weir. Bottom three with only one win all season.
That's why Clough had made 7 changes to our starting eleven by the time we played our last match.

Maybe both clubs just needed a new manager to get the best out of the players already there (Howard, Doyle, Coady, Murphy, Flynn, Baxter in our case)?

 

[blade too long]

ONLY JUST COME ACROSS THIS PAINTING , THOUGHT IT WAS A PHOTO AT FIRST