What does Winter do 9-5?

[Micalijo]

Answers on a postcard please.

We are a Mickey Mouse, joke of a club - why do we need this bloke or anyone similar?

I hereby volunteer my services for £40k per annum and would also do scouting for quick players and would sort the half time queues out - not that it will be much of a problem in the coming years.

Kevin McCabe - sorry fella but you make me physically sick.

 

[Rodley]

Answers on a postcard please.

We are a Mickey Mouse, joke of a club - why do we need this bloke or anyone similar?

I hereby volunteer my services for £40k per annum and would also do scouting for quick players and would sort the half time queues out - not that it will be much of a problem in the coming years.

Kevin McCabe - sorry fella but you make me physically sick.

 

[TarquinDelouche]

I have literally never seen someone ever offer themselves up as a replacement for a job at a football club with the insinuation that they could do a better job. And it was literally not you the last time I never saw it.

Hilarious stuff Mic. Your originality never seems to wear thin no matter how many times you recycle the same bullshit.

 

[Kenilworth]

Kevin McCabe - sorry fella but you make me physically sick.

Is your avar actually a picture of KM just about to squeeze your big, red comedy nose and go "Parp"?

 

[raul]

"So, Kevin, how many % above LIBOR are you making on your SUFC loans?"

 

[metalblade]

"So, Kevin, how many % above LIBOR are you making on your SUFC loans?"

enough to rake in £3m per year I'll bet

 

[riselikeasalmon]

enough to rake in £3m per year I'll bet

You seem to be saying he shouldn't be taking any interest on the loans? Is your objection because you think it is his own fault the money he put in has not led us to the Premier league enabling him to get repaid so he should suffer financially for that? Or because he owns us and is a rich fan so morally he shouldn't take any interest because he can afford not to?

 

[metalblade]

You seem to be saying he shouldn't be taking any interest on the loans? Is your objection because you think it is his own fault the money he put in has not led us to the Premier league enabling him to get repaid so he should suffer financially for that? Or because he owns us and is a rich fan so morally he shouldn't take any interest because he can afford not to?

Not taking interest at a higher rate than banks would be a big help, and everyone can see if they care to look that his bad decisions have led us to where we are today. Whether he can afford not to or not is immaterial he has no morals, forget Ched, McSue should be in court for raping a football club, big Blade my arse the last small shred of his interest in SUFC went with the failed World Cup bid. Still he could always resurrect the plans for the new Ferencvaros Stadium if he wants to play the big chief at a football club, maybe they could return a favour and send us a few players, if not there is always his local Brussels giants White Star Woulwe then again they are 3rd tier in Belgium .............. must be a thing with every club McSue touches.

 

[SwissBlade]

Answers on a postcard please.

We are a Mickey Mouse, joke of a club - why do we need this bloke or anyone similar?

I hereby volunteer my services for £40k per annum and would also do scouting for quick players and would sort the half time queues out - not that it will be much of a problem in the coming years.

Kevin McCabe - sorry fella but you make me physically sick.

Out of interest Mic, in your job, do people ask you the same. I seem to remember what you do from when we met, so you must have a number of different tasks on your desk at the same time. Do your clients call your reception or maybe your office services team and ask "what does Micalijo do from 9-5?"

 

[Micalijo]

Out of interest Mic, in your job, do people ask you the same. I seem to remember what you do from when we met, so you must have a number of different tasks on your desk at the same time. Do your clients call your reception or maybe your office services team and ask "what does Micalijo do from 9-5?"

No they ring me direct following receipt of invoices and ask for breakdowns of what I have done and when - as does my boss. Also have to complete timesheets.

As always, there is a very serious element to my posts. We have a finance bloke and a MD type bloke. I can safely say that SUFC is not a large or complicated business yet we have all these exec types milling around in the background. Surely Burns and Dmac could run the club with McCabe Junior signing the cheques as and when. I assume Winter deals with paperwork on transfers and sells himsen on a football background and such like but no way is that a 9-5 job. I could do it my dinner hour Swiss. Nowt happens for weeks on end anyway.

 

[Micalijo]

I have literally never seen someone ever offer themselves up as a replacement for a job at a football club with the insinuation that they could do a better job. And it was literally not you the last time I never saw it.

Hilarious stuff Mic. Your originality never seems to wear thin no matter how many times you recycle the same bullshit.

The quicker you reply the more I will post - it means a lot to me Tarqs.

 

[grafikhaus]

From Patrick Collins, Mail on Sunday yesterday:

Once upon a time, Manchester United’s balance sheet told a happy tale. An ambitious club, they pursued the game’s great prizes, paid the largest fees for the finest players and generally enjoyed a level of prosperity that others could only envy. Yet they did not owe a single penny.
Then, in the summer of 2005, the Glazer family of Palm Beach, Florida, acquired this admirable enterprise by means of a leveraged buy-out. The process was totally legal and, to a lay person, utterly mystifying. It involved borrowing some £525 million to complete the purchase, then promptly dumping that sum on the club’s hitherto pristine books. In seven years, the ingenious family spent about £500m of the club’s income on servicing that debt, with its enormous interest charges and professional fees.

Full article.

 

[mpjacko]

Remember the days when chairmen invested their own money for no return, just to have the pleasure of owning a team they supported as a kid. It seems how a days every chairman is trying to make (take) money from Football.

 

[Foxy]

As always, there is a very serious element to my posts. We have a finance bloke and a MD type bloke. I can safely say that SUFC is not a large or complicated business yet we have all these exec types milling around in the background. Surely Burns and Dmac could run the club with McCabe Junior signing the cheques as and when. I assume Winter deals with paperwork on transfers and sells himsen on a football background and such like but no way is that a 9-5 job. I could do it my dinner hour Swiss. Nowt happens for weeks on end anyway.

He's actually group chief exec., which means it's not just the football club side.

He was brought in to allow the McCabe's more time for other interests and to work closely with Dave McCarthy, who is the MD of the football club side.

He'll be in charge of developing our commercial opportunities, continuing the work on streamlining and maximising our off-the-pitch activities and ensuring we meet the new guidelines for living within our means. This is something he'll use his experience from Watford to aid (I know you've been keen to compare us to Watford in recent times) and something I've heard him speak in depth about.

Not that that matters of course, given that he answers to his employer and not Micalijo

Would you like me to set up a discussion with some Watford fans who rate him or perhaps to enquire as to his availability for a discussion with you?

 

[Kenilworth]

Remember the days when chairmen invested their own money for no return, just to have the pleasure of owning a team they supported as a kid. It seems how a days every chairman is trying to make (take) money from Football.

Yep - the Sky is the limit

 

[shorehamview]

As always, there is a very serious element to my posts.

You just need a sniffer dog to find said element. Usually hidden better SF's wallet.

 

[Micalijo]

He's actually group chief exec., which means it's not just the football club side.

He was brought in to allow the McCabe's more time for other interests and to work closely with Dave McCarthy, who is the MD of the football club side.

He'll be in charge of developing our commercial opportunities, continuing the work on streamlining and maximising our off-the-pitch activities and ensuring we meet the new guidelines for living within our means. This is something he'll use his experience from Watford to aid (I know you've been keen to compare us to Watford in recent times) and something I've heard him speak in depth about.

Not that that matters of course, given that he answers to his employer and not Micalijo

Would you like me to set up a discussion with some Watford fans who rate him or perhaps to enquire as to his availability for a discussion with you?

Group? Do me a favour - we're a joke 3rd tier outfit. Dmac should be capable of doing all you mention. We're like an inefficient public sector organisation.

No I don't want to meet him but it might do the club good to know that the vast majority of fans are not like you and actually think the club is to all intents and purposes a laughing stock of mediocrity and failure.

Maybe Watford fans were pleased to receive letterd from Winter saying 'Turning the experience into positively moving forward with an ethos that embraces the family/community Club culture into the heartbeat of the city and region.'

If I wrote that incoherent waffle to a customer I'd be sent home to rest up. I also see he has learned from McCabe's rubbish in the accounts the art of the exclamation mark - 'we are introducing a discount for adults and over 60's who renew online!'

 

[shorehamview]

Have you actually asked "the vast majority" of United fans what they think? If you haven't actually spoken to them then how can you claim to speak for them? You don't speak for me, or indeed others. We can see that the "Europe in five years" bollocks has failed spectacularly, unless we invade them, but there other aspects to the running of the business that aren't directly connected to the football side of it. Maybe that's what Winter does.

I thought you were asking for a weather report for November through to mid-March actually, but it's just another dig at McCabe poorly veiled. Makes a change.

 

[Micalijo]

What are the aspects of the business not directly related to the football club which you refer to? You on about flogging a few meeting rooms out and a few corporate things?

3rd tier clubs - and obviously we are a big one I admit that - need a finance man, a general man (secretary in olden days) and a marketing type - all on circa 50k per annum max. Basically, everyone needs to mix in so if we have a miracle cup run WInter and Dmac should be manning the ticket office etc. Yes, I'm serious.

I am spectacularly confident that my view of SUFC 2012 is alot closer to the majority view than what you believe.

 

[Foxy]

No I don't want to meet him but it might do the club good to know that the vast majority of fans are not like you and actually think the club is to all intents and purposes a laughing stock of mediocrity and failure.

Not that you actually have the first idea what I'm like or what the majority of fans think.

Maybe Watford fans were pleased to receive letterd from Winter saying 'Turning the experience into positively moving forward with an ethos that embraces the family/community Club culture into the heartbeat of the city and region.'

You'll find that the ones I've spoken to said he'd made himself available, talked to them in pubs and generally did a great job during a difficult time. I'm aware of him making himself available to fans in his current position too, not that your ever likely to do anything but hide behind your keyboard and take a pop of course.

Do you have an ever growing list of the people you've called out online but wouldn't give the courtesy to talk to in person?

 

[Micalijo]

I know that you are a very dangerous driver.

I don't want to meet him - simple as that. Nowt against the bloke and being a part of keeping Watford afloat in 2nd tier is impressive, no doubt - fair play. If he meets up with Blades who want to talk to him then again that is a very decent effort and deserves respect - didn't realise so that has set me straight a bit. I still think we have too many execs but there you go.

 

[Foxy]

I know that you are a very dangerous driver.

Definitely. Totally clear driving license and not a single accident. I did accelerate into a wide open gap once though, somewhere near some ignorant so and so, who didn't even say hello

I do understand that watching the Blades smash 5 against anyone has a tenancy to induce sensationalist imaginations though.

I don't want to meet him - simple as that. Nowt against the bloke and being a part of keeping Watford afloat in 2nd tier is impressive, no doubt - fair play. If he meets up with Blades who want to talk to him then again that is a very decent effort and deserves respect - didn't realise so that has set me straight a bit. I still think we have too many execs but there you go.

So to confirm, you'd rather sit on the internet and have a pop without allowing yourself to form a proper opinion?

Nothing wrong with that of course, but it just does less to support your points.

 

[Micalijo]

The demise of SUFC has nowt to do with Winter of course, but large parts of that letter with the renewals was straight out of the Birch textbook and that is the last thing we want. Football and corporate nonsense does not go, he gives the impression we have a cohesive plan of action but it never materialises - all clubs have to get used to financial fair play but do they make a big song and dance and employ a big hitter? I just don't get it.

I'm not sure we need these little meetings with certain fans either but if it keeps em happy fair enough and he doesn't have to do it.

Correct, I do not want to meet Winter and am happier copying the nonsense parts of his letters on here.

 

[Foxy]

Correct, I do not want to meet Winter and am happier copying the nonsense parts of his letters on here.

That's fair enough, but then perhaps don't dress up a whinge about a letter as a quest to discover what the man does for his wages?

 

[alcoblade]

You seem to be saying he shouldn't be taking any interest on the loans? Is your objection because you think it is his own fault the money he put in has not led us to the Premier league enabling him to get repaid so he should suffer financially for that? Or because he owns us and is a rich fan so morally he shouldn't take any interest because he can afford not to?

Actually, I'd be with metal on this one. I object to McCabe making interest on the loans. I've long since excepted that there's no point complaining about the numerous mistakes that McCabe's made. But the principle of him making money from them does turn my gut.

It's all academic though. 0% or 50%. It just adds to a debt that has no realistic possibility of being paid back.

UTB

 

[cooperblade]

Do your clients call your reception or maybe your office services team and ask "what does Micalijo do from 9-5?"

No, they just ring the golf club, saves having to be put through

 

[Kenilworth]

I object to McCabe making interest on the loans. I've long since excepted that there's no point complaining about the numerous mistakes that McCabe's made. But the principle of him making money from them does turn my gut.

OK so McCabe uses none of his money (or money from his companies) and instead uses a loan from a bank. Sheff Utd has to pay at a higher interest rate - cos that's what they will charge (they don't charge base rate - LIBOR is inter bank and above base rate) which is more than McCabe charges now. The bank then has a much greater say in what goes on and in these times of austerity the bank would more than likely be more aggressive on the cuts (to reduce their risk position - not the clubs) than McCabe would be.

You have to think of it in terms of McCabe being the bank but loaning the club money at preferential rates that it would not be able to negotiate if it had to borrow the money from the usual channels. Also McCabe has turned some of the debt into equity, which means he has to underwrite it (i.e. it is at his risk - so if the club goes under he loses it). If the club get sold then McCabe will sell his shares (or a part therof) but there is no guarantee that he will get the same value that he paid for them. It is highly likely that he will make a substantial loss, regardless.

So, it's a little daft having a go at McCabe making money on interest. The cold truth that you conveniently forget is that he is actually protecting the club from paying more and also from outside influence that may not have the best interests of the club at heart.

Now if you want to criticise the decisions that got us here in the first place and the money that was pissed away on shite managerial appointments and stupid contracts for sub-standard players then that's another matter. That's fair game and please help yourself. However, such decisions could still have been taken and Sheff Utd would have been in a worse financial position without the backing of the McCabe family.

I am not an apologist, nor am I remotely connected to the McCabes - other than they control the football club I live and breathe, but let's not just throw shit out of ignorance without considering the logic behind it.

If anyone is clever enough, committed enough and has a big enough wedge of their own to piss away on a whim then I am sure they could buy and run the club. I am not in such a position. Are you?

I'll bet you that at the end of the McCabe era there is no way that he will come out positively in money terms. The only way this might happen is if DW is Brian Clough reincarnated and he gets us into the prem in a couple of years time, wins it and then wins the Champions League a couple of times. Then he might sell it to the likes of the Glazers and pocket a mint. A likely scenario, eh?

 

[metalblade]

So we should be thankfull that our crippling debt along with the huge amount of cash pissed down the gutter in interest charges is owed to McCabe rather than the banks. Now if the banks (and we all know how good they are) in their wisdom think another loan is not such a good idea why should McCabe think he knows better and loan the cash. It is close to the point where interest charges are more than income and if McCabe lives to be 100 he will no where near get any of the loans repaid but will make a tidy sum from the interest each and every year until he dies and his family take on milking the cash cow, which to my way of thinking is immoral.............................. no better than the pay day loan sharks cashing peoples dole cheques at 2000%pa

 

[Kenilworth]

Of course! It's exactly the same. Why couldn't I see it?
An epiphany has come to me. I can see clearly now, the rain has gone. I can see all obstacles in my way.
Metal is the new messiah and I am not worthy.
Must flagellate myself more frequently to see the World as clearly as others.

 

[alcoblade]

So, it's a little daft having a go at McCabe making money on interest. The cold truth that you conveniently forget is that he is actually protecting the club from paying more and also from outside influence that may not have the best interests of the club at heart.

I'm not sure we'd have been able to lend money to spend on the projects McCabe spent it on, but who knows.............

Now if you want to criticise the decisions that got us here in the first place and the money that was pissed away on shite managerial appointments and stupid contracts for sub-standard players then that's another matter. That's fair game and please help yourself.

....Because that's my main issue. I do (or did) want to criticise the decisions that got us here. And the price of that failure, IMHO, should be not being able to collect interest on the money wasted. Unlike many, I'm not demanding further investment into the club,a nd accept that means sales. That's another price of his piss poor decision making. I can't stomach the further penalty of having interest raked up on them.

But as I said originally, there's no point me getting too flluxed, because I can't see him geting a fraction of it back. It's more about the damage we suffer until it's all sorted.

UTB