What’s our style of play?

[Jimmy Fleck]

We’re 20 odd games in and I still don’t know what kind of football we aim to play. A lot of the time it seems like ‘pass it to hamer and hope he does summat good.’ Last night showed how much we miss him.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

Measuredcautionbynumbersball

 

[Pollingtonblade]

The one what's accumulated 60 points, next.

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

The one what's accumulated 60 points, next.

To me that’s down to having better players than most sides….

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Everything is built from a solid defensive base given how poor we were in that area last season.
That’s created with an aggressive centre half pairing and as well as a “ratter” from the midfield two there to break up play 10-20 meters infront of that line. The other central midfielder also has some defensive responsibilities but we expect them to be progressive and break the lines to our offensive options.
Offensively we set up with 3 behind central striker with the full backs particularly on the left providing our width from crosses. On the right we prefer someone who progresses the ball themselves and target their full back.

Thats how we were set up, but injuries to key personnel as well as volume of injuries means it’s been patched up with round pegs in square holes.

I think from now until the end of the season this has changed because you can’t replace the dominance Souttar brings. So we’ll set up with two more defensive central midfielders with the link from defence to attack coming more from full back and less break the line passes from Choudhury and Souza. Up top with Diaz, Hamer, and Rak-Saki behind Campbell/Cannon.

 

[SUFCinks]

It’s bad. Southgate levels of bad. Effective at scraping through games but we can do much better. We are just quite flat, static, safe and slow with the ball. Too much possession across the back line that ends up with a hoofed clearance or aimless punt.

We need more dynamic abilities and faster moves that can unlock defences, better composure with our passing especially under pressure and technical ability & creativity to put the opposition on the back foot.

I’d give our style of play a 3/10. I think its pretty stale and if you watch other teams you realise how much better we could be doing with this team.

On one hand we are over achieving in results but the flipside is we are underachieving with style of play. Injuries play a part in that but even with our main 11 we weren’t great.

 

[Maltby_blade]

To me that’s down to having better players than most sides….

Not sure what your point is by saying our league position is down to having better players than most teams. You could say that about pretty much any side at the top of a league. You don’t get there having worse players than everyone else do you….

 

[Jimmy Fleck]

Not sure what your point is by saying our league position is down to having better players than most teams. You could say that about pretty much any side at the top of a league. You don’t get there having worse players than everyone else do you….

When we first went up under wilder, we were a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. Every game you knew what to expect and knew exactly what kind of football we were gonna play. I don’t have that with this current side.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

When we first went up under wilder, we were a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. Every game you knew what to expect and knew exactly what kind of football we were gonna play. I don’t have that with this current side.

The side that’s played the last few games or the side that was there up until December?

 

[Maltby_blade]

When we first went up under wilder, we were a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. Every game you knew what to expect and knew exactly what kind of football we were gonna play. I don’t have that with this current side.

We still had a team full of top championship players, Henderson.Egan, JOC, Stevens, Baldock, Fleck, Norwood, Duffy, Mcgoldrick, Sharp. They weren’t exactly a team of mugs were they.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We still had a team full of top championship players, Henderson.Egan, JOC, Stevens, Baldock, Fleck, Norwood, Duffy, Mcgoldrick, Sharp. They weren’t exactly a team of mugs were they.

It was also a side largely 2-3 seasons into the rebuild so pretty much complete. We’re half a season in our current rebuild so think halfway through the league one season with all sorts of players playing who probably won’t be here long term.

 

[Working Class Hero]

For the first half of the season it was obviously built in being brilliant defensively, with a passing based attack (very few long balls or crosses). The problem with the latter part is that the front 4 have never really clicked, and they only same capable of having one good performance between them in any given game. On the odd occasion a couple of them play well, we look good going forward.

This has largely been down to Moore and the right wingers (JRS or Brooks) being much poorer than we all expected. O'Hare is also much less creative than we expected and much less creative than a CAM should ever be. Only Hamer has had any sort of consistency.

Hopefully that can change now with BBD and Cannon coming in, and we can start to see a more cohesive attack.

 

[Nade]

We're pushing for promotion and winning most games.

I think when we're broadly doing well some people need to find a new hobby that they can moan and get stressed about.

 

[raul]

The side that’s played the last few games or the side that was there up until December?

That side has gone, kaput, it has ceased to be sans the lynchpin at the back and the connecting cog in the middle are no more.

In my mind we are akin to 97/98. Wonderful till Jan - but injuries taking their toll- then post black Thursday a cobbling together patch up job until the end of the season.

 

[Sheffsteel]

It’s bad. Southgate levels of bad. Effective at scraping through games but we can do much better. We are just quite flat, static, safe and slow with the ball. Too much possession across the back line that ends up with a hoofed clearance or aimless punt.

We need more dynamic abilities and faster moves that can unlock defences, better composure with our passing especially under pressure and technical ability & creativity to put the opposition on the back foot.

I’d give our style of play a 3/10. I think its pretty stale and if you watch other teams you realise how much better we could be doing with this team.

On one hand we are over achieving in results but the flipside is we are underachieving with style of play. Injuries play a part in that but even with our main 11 we weren’t great.

Agree…when we play it does remind me of Southgate’s England.
We can have spells of looking really good but we also have spells in the same game where we fall apart or look like we’ve just met.

Sometimes our lack of cohesion is masked due to (like England) having high quality individuals who can score from nothing,
However like England team spirit and effort shown by the players is always high, so it could be worse.

Don’t think it’s quite fair to criticise Wilder too much tho due to the horrendous injuries.
Souttar was a massive loss, he dominated defence, so clean sheets looked so easy.
Also Arblaster and Vini Souza were showing signs of being the best midfielder pairing in the league, so they are a massive loss too.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That side has gone, kaput, it has ceased to be sans the lynchpin at the back and the connecting cog in the middle are no more.

In my mind we are akin to 97/98. Wonderful till Jan - but injuries taking their toll- then post black Thursday a cobbling together patch up job until the end of the season.

Which is why I’d like to hope that given who we’ve targeted so far in January he’s looking at something different rather than replicate what we had. Two, more attacking full backs with good progressive and crossing stats with a pair of “enforcers” in midfield makes me think that it’s a significant tweak. Diaz isn’t similar to Hamer in style but both cut inside as does Rak-Saki, leaving spaces to overlap from full back. I also think that while O’Hare’s work rate is incredible his creative output so far will mean he’s coming off the bench.
Cannon or Campbell with Hamer directly behind, who can also look to feed Diaz or Rak-Saki or even the overlapping full backs will make us a more creative and offensively dangerous prospect. You’ve then got O’Hare and Brooks supporting those supporting players from the bench. Moore allows us to go more direct if that’s a required option. Furthermore if we don it need the two holding players there are options for Davies or Peck.
But we still need a centre half to replace Robinson and a top quality one at that but the evolution of this side seems pretty clear, so I don’t think we’ll be dragging ourselves through the next 18 games.

 

[The Bear]

We're pushing for promotion and winning most games.

I think when we're broadly doing well some people need to find a new hobby that they can moan and get stressed about.

Just how many times have we thumped somebody? err once. Oxford. We lose to Barnsley and Cardiff in the cups so 7 losses in 32 games a little over 1 in 4.5 games. Not exactly what I call top of the table form. Our form against the current top 6 is bollocks too winning two drawing two and losing 4.

Yep we won 19 games but the margin of victory a lot of the time has been by one goal. Not exactly convincing. And that's the problem, We are building on sand. The style of play is poor and that is down to Wilder and Knill.

 

[AnstonBlade1]

When we first went up under wilder, we were a team that was greater than the sum of its parts. Every game you knew what to expect and knew exactly what kind of football we were gonna play. I don’t have that with this current side.

We’re a horrible side to watch at times in terms of entertaining football.

 

[SUFCinks]

Agree…when we play it does remind me of Southgate’s England.
We can have spells of looking really good but we also have spells in the same game where we fall apart or look like we’ve just met.

Sometimes our lack of cohesion is masked due to (like England) having high quality individuals who can score from nothing,
However like England team spirit and effort shown by the players is always high, so it could be worse.

Don’t think it’s quite fair to criticise Wilder too much tho due to the horrendous injuries.
Souttar was a massive loss, he dominated defence, so clean sheets looked so easy.
Also Arblaster and Vini Souza were showing signs of being the best midfielder pairing in the league, so they are a massive loss too.

I think the injuries haven’t helped for sure, but i do think that even when we had a full strength team we’ve rarely looked convincing for a whole 90 minutes. I understand that we’re going through a rebuild phase but the style of play should still be part of this transition and implemented from as early as possible. The fact this hasn’t happened to me suggests a high chance of repeating our last spell in the prem.

I can’t knock Wilder for his points total, team spirit etc but i do think we can make improvements to how we play to be more competitive.

We’d be more enjoyable to watch, a more attractive proposition for new fans and new player acquisitions and have more chance of longevity at a higher level.

 

[BigBed]

Last night it was hockey.

 

[Brian Deane]

We was playing better football under Wilder the first time we went up to the PL perhaps with less quality of the players we have now.......

 

[SUFCinks]

We're pushing for promotion and winning most games.

I think when we're broadly doing well some people need to find a new hobby that they can moan and get stressed about.

Maybe, but maybe you aren’t seeing the bigger picture and realising that we could be much better. A style of play is one of the key parts of the puzzle that allows us to compete at the highest level. I think people are just foreseeing the potential crisis around the corner that could unfold if we don’t make changes.

We all remember how miserable our last spell in the prem was and i don’t think anyone wants to endure that again.

 

[Yoonited]

We’re 20 odd games in and I still don’t know what kind of football we aim to play. A lot of the time it seems like ‘pass it to hamer and hope he does summat good.’ Last night showed how much we miss him.

What's the opposite of kick n rush

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

What's the opposite of kick n rush

Trap and walk?

 

[Slim Man]

We don't have one

 

[247Blade]

What's the opposite of kick n rush

Keep and crab

 

[Caseh]

The results overall have been fantastic, and quite a bit better than I expected but we are horribly dull to watch most of the time.

 

[moody1889]

To me that’s down to having better players than most sides….

Exactly that Wilder is lucky he still inherited quality like Souza Hamer Ahmedhodzic etc

 

[FTPE]

Why would we want a set style? Doesn't that make it easier to prepare for?
Our main issue is how often the lineup has changed, but when it was overlapping CB's, triangles and cutbacks people pissed and moaned that we'd been 'found out' ever week. Or that Wilder only had one plan.
We've completely changed our squad, changed our formation, spent weeks in the top 2 and people are now saying we don't have a style.
Get behind them ffs.

If by Derby Seriki is back, Cannon has actually trained with us, BBD is sharp, Choudhury is in, a new CB is in and Campbell, JRD/Souza are fit enought for 90min, THEN judge us.

 

[Varkanoid]

Still think people forget this is basically a brand new team been together half a season just over. SUFC way is always the slow tough way. Cos we got no money.