Were we right to get rid of Warnock?

[Worksop II]

My answer to this question was a simple yes, but we have to remember one thing..........

We didn't "get rid" - he resigned.

I didnt he resign, his contract expired

 

[alcoblade]

I count myself amongst his biggest fans but on the day he went, with all the emotion of the time, I thought it was the right decision.

With hindsight, it was an awful decision. He had the necessary strength of character and charisma to drag us back to our feet. We had the players when we came down, I strongly believe that. It was just that McCabe, Robinson, whoever decided the best course of action was to throw money at ageing has-beens and neverwasbeens. We still haven't recovered

My feelings entirely. We made 2 of the worst decisions (letting Warnock go / appointing Robson) in decades in a short space of time. I'll hold my hands up to thinking Warnock's time was up after relegation, but only because I couldn't stand the negativity that would follow. In my worst nightmares I didn't think we'd replace him with as big a flop as Robson. Deary me.....


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[alcoblade]

also think that he wasted money whenever he got the chance to spend in the transfer market.

Are you suggesting Luton Shelton wasn't worth £1.75M?



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[bricktop]

Are you suggesting Luton Shelton wasn't worth £1.75M?



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Yeah, fuck it admit i was wrong.

Especially as the going rate was £2m for Geoff Horsfield and £1.75m for Ade Akinbiyi

 

[Worksop II]

Yeah, fuck it admit i was wrong.

Especially as the going rate was £2m for Geoff Horsfield and £1.75m for Ade Akinbiyi

Ade scored the winner at Derby, and the Rocket at Hillsborough, worth every penny .......

 

[alcoblade]

Yeah, fuck it admit i was wrong.

Especially as the going rate was £2m for Geoff Horsfield and £1.75m for Ade Akinbiyi

LOL - I have to concede, though I rate Warnock highly, what money he had to spend wasn't generally well invested.

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[Micalijo]

I think we should have got rid of him as soon as we were promoted.

harsh i know, but it was obvious he just isnt cut out for PL managment.

His signings at Xmas baffled me.

Example - Hulse got injured & it was obvious to everyone that we needed an experienced Striker to replace him.

We got Shelton.

Correct me if I'm wrong but Shelton was not signed as a replacement for an injured Hulse. You could argue that Warnock should have signed cover for Hulse but that was Stead wasn't it?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

My biggest issue with Warnock was his performance and transfers when in the Premiership.

If we are looking at a manager just to get out of the division I think he is a good candidate (but he will never come back and that isn't because of McCabe either).

If we are looking for a longer term manager for promotion and consolidation in the next league he ain't the man we need.

 

[Kev Gee]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Shelton was not signed as a replacement for an injured Hulse. You could argue that Warnock should have signed cover for Hulse but that was Stead wasn't it?

We needed someone like a Kevin Davies. An experienced player who had played in the PL for a few years.
Wasnt Stead drafted in from the Championship? Im not knocking him as he did alright but i wouldnt say he was the targetman we needed at that time.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

We needed someone like a Kevin Davies. An experienced player who had played in the PL for a few years.
Wasnt Stead drafted in from the Championship? Im not knocking him as he did alright but i wouldnt say he was the targetman we needed at that time.

I'm sure Warnock would have loved to have signed a proven experienced Premier League player like Kevin Davies (or James Beattie) but he was only allowed to pay Championship wages. Which is why he was forced to gamble on the likes of Hulse and Stead making the step up. Some of the gambles paid off (e.g. Kazim-Richards) and others obviously didn't (e.g. Fathi).

Only once we had gone down did McCabe decide to increase the pay scale and allow Robson to sign the type of player you describe (Beattie, Naysmith, Ehiogu, Speed). If he'd given Warnock the same backing, I believe we (and Warnock) would still be in The Premiership now.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Only once we had gone down did McCabe decide to increase the pay scale and allow Robson to sign the type of player you describe (Beattie, Naysmith, Ehiogu, Speed). If he'd given Warnock the same backing, I believe we (and Warnock) would still be in The Premiership now.

We had a bid accepted for Stephen Warnock in the January window as I recall, only for Blackburn to out-do us when it came down to wages. You could argue that even with the Robson era wage flexibility, we may still have lost out in that particular transfer - we will never know. Would his place in the back 4 have helped us to at least one more point that season? Quite possibly.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

Only once we had gone down did McCabe decide to increase the pay scale and allow Robson to sign the type of player you describe (Beattie, Naysmith, Ehiogu, Speed). If he'd given Warnock the same backing, I believe we (and Warnock) would still be in The Premiership now.

We had a bid accepted for Stephen Warnock in the January window as I recall, only for Blackburn to out-do us when it came down to wages. You could argue that even with the Robson era wage flexibility, we may still have lost out in that particular transfer - we will never know. Would his place in the back 4 have helped us to at least one more point that season? Quite possibly.

A fine example of what I'm talking about. Future England International Stephen Warnock at left back for 20 games rather than Geary, Kozluk or Armstrong? No, I'm sure that wouldn't have made much difference

 

[happyhippy]

I think the real question is actually "Were we right to let Warnock go?". My answer to that is "No."

Nobody better was available, and we are back to where we were, if not further. The regression we saw with Sornob (who had done ferk all for two years?) was the worst I've ever seen (Peters included), and we are still suffering from it. Could you honestly imagine the performances against Scunthorpe and Colchester at home under Warnock? More to the point, would the derby have been "just another game"?

Make no bones about it, Sornob's appointment is why we're where we are.

 

[happyhippy]

Warnock wasn't everyone's cup of tea and, as in the case with Blackwell, some of the stuff said about him online bordered on the abusive towards the end of his reign.

Really? I only heard real bile at home to Millwall when Morgan was put up front in a real 'over the top' push. We got promotion the following year. I never heard anything being yelled then, or after relegation.

 

[happyhippy]

Warnock was unable to get a team to get the one point needed against a poor Wigan side that would have kept us up.So in answer to your question yes it was time for Warnock to leave he'd had is time.

One point in one match does not a manager's time make. If this is the way you judge matters, then please reconsider using a polling booth in the future.

 

[happyhippy]

Only SUFC could blow it on the last day of the season with our fate in our own hands.

In my lifetime

Walsall 80/81 - relegated when we needed a point at home - AND we had a penalty kick 'saved'

In the last minute already down 1-0. John Matthews bottling it didn't help.

Chelsea 93/94 - IMO Bassett cost us this we were 2-1 up and should have defended the lead, a draw would have done - we let 2 goals in the space of 5 mins to go down and become the laughing stock of everyone everywhere.

We had been 1-0 down as well, and with ten minutes to go at 2-1 up, we would have been 14th in the table. The FA Cup finalists scored two late on, and the third was pretty much on the break after we'd tried to keep a high line.

Wigan 06/07 - We needed a point - Warncunt banged on about a contract - we went down - Sean Bean should have strangled that wanker when he had the chance.

What would you have said had we stayed up via a Tevéz own goal and a home draw? We were one goal away from what many said would have been an improbable survival in August.

Were you happy with the bollards which has been served up since?

 

[happyhippy]

Yeah, fuck it admit i was wrong.

Especially as the going rate was £2m for Geoff Horsfield and £1.75m for Ade Akinbiyi

And this from the man who was singing Akinbadbuy's praises after the match away at Derby.

 

[Revolution]

We had been 1-0 down as well, and with ten minutes to go at 2-1 up, we would have been 14th in the table.

No, we went 1-0 up at Chelsea, via Flo's goal.

 

[happyhippy]

We had been 1-0 down as well, and with ten minutes to go at 2-1 up, we would have been 14th in the table.

No, we went 1-0 up at Chelsea, via Flo's goal.

Yeah, you're right.

 

[johno]

He did well for us, and we should all thank him for what he done, but time moves on, just a shame he seems to be moving forward while we seem to have come to a STOP. Hope Speed can get us moving again.

 

[Eskimo]

Absolutely unequivically no. Warnock should have stayed. He was our Alex Ferguson If his meeting with McCabe had been delayed a few days to let things calm down, reason may have won the day. In the event we got Robson and its been downhill ever since. How much evidence do you need?

 

[Nick Jansky]

Absolutely unequivically no. Warnock should have stayed. He was our Alex Ferguson If his meeting with McCabe had been delayed a few days to let things calm down, reason may have won the day. In the event we got Robson and its been downhill ever since. How much evidence do you need?

I was delighted that when Warnock left, and nothing since has persuaded me otherwise. Just because McCabe stuffed up in subsequently appointing Robson doesn't mean that Warnock's departure wasn't the right thing for the club at the time.

 

[Darthblade]

That wasn't the question... the question was, were we right to get rid of him when we did?

To answer the question directly ...... yes we were right in my opinion. NW did a fabulous job for us, however, he had taken us as far as he was able. he was not able to manage/motivate/coach "better" quality players
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[bricktop]

And this from the man who was singing Akinbadbuy's praises after the match away at Derby.

And the same man who started supping at 9am in the morning to celebrate a mates birthday, and the same man who in years of drinking and watching el magnifico Blades can say that was the one away game where i was pissed more than any other to the extent that the days events still remain a bit hazy for me

 

[JohnDenver]

To answer the question directly ...... yes we were right in my opinion. NW did a fabulous job for us, however, he had taken us as far as he was able. he was not able to manage/motivate/coach "better" quality players
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I'm not convinced by the last statement. Personally I think Warnock failed to sign better players when he had the money. I never worried about his ability to manage good players.

 

[DonnyBlade85]

for every good player warnock signed there was at least 1 bad one! overall he got the results after time and some great days as a blade but i think his tactics were very limited in the premiership and he wasnt willing to take an attacking gamble at times! saying that though if hulse hadnt got injured at chelsea warnock might possibly still be here and earning his very own cult status!

 

[SwissBlade]

I'd be interested to know what NW feels about his PL season looking back now. Personally I don't think we did ourselves justice, sure we battled and always gave 100%, but as DonnyBlade says he wasn't willing to take an attacking gamble.

Signings were always gambles, but I guess there were reasons for that

When I watch him now, he seems so relaxed, whereas with us he was always under pressure, probably a lot of which was self imposed.

It was certainly the time for him to move on when he did. Just a pity it wasn't under better circumstances.

If Hulse'd stayed fit, we'd certainly stayed up

 

[bartman]

I'd be interested to know what NW feels about his PL season looking back now. Personally I don't think we did ourselves justice, sure we battled and always gave 100%, but as DonnyBlade says he wasn't willing to take an attacking gamble.

Signings were always gambles, but I guess there were reasons for that

When I watch him now, he seems so relaxed, whereas with us he was always under pressure, probably a lot of which was self imposed.

It was certainly the time for him to move on when he did. Just a pity it wasn't under better circumstances.

If Hulse'd stayed fit, we'd certainly stayed up

And that was NW's major error in that January transfer window. £2.75 million on Shelton and Fathi instead of ensuring we had cover for Hulse in the run in. Stead and Hulse looked a good partnership to see us through and it could be argued that Webber and Nade were Steads cover,but with Horsefield at Leeds,he failed to cover the weakness in the squad in terms of Hulse's back up.

 

[JohnDenver]

I'd be interested to know what NW feels about his PL season looking back now.

I was ace, me. I got us 38 pts. Enough to stay every year since 1751. Sean Bean got us relegated.

 

[sitwell]

It was one of the worst decisions in our history and I said so at the time. If Warnock had been backed like Robson things would have been so much better over the past few years.
What happened to Sean Bean since with regards to Utd ? He didn't like Warnocks arrogance ,have a look at that wanker ,a Blades tattoo doesn't make you 100%, prick.