Well ..... how much is the rent ?

[mpjacko]

So McCabe should be interfering in who we buy now?
I would have thought the manager would be best doing that and working to a wage budget.

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

 

[Robbie]

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

But that way you're taking away the managers judgement.

 

[alcoblade]

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

If he did that, we would continue to sell everything that had a pulse and start signing players from the Sunday League, until the money that was raised from ticket sles covered costs, and we made a small profit. He woud be hounded out after relentless car park demonstrations full of burger flippers declaring "he should run it like a business".

I think you are confusing countless bad decisions with running the club like a business. I don't think you'd like the consequences of the latter.

UTB

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

On the one hand you're saying he's made terrible decisions and on the other you're saying he should make decisions for the manager.....so should he be making decisions or shouldn't he.....which is it?

You have to let the manager manage. Otherwise what's the point? If you dont you end up with a situation like the one at Hearts where the owner dictates everything and one manager after another gets sacked for failing to win with someone else's team.

 

[bartman]

"There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

Really ?

Hill-experienced defender at championship level who can play left back or centre half. Current scapegoat of some despite the fact he plaedy well in the last 6 games or so of the seasons.

Porter- Back up target man- Experienced at a higher level. Not the most skillful but will be need against the more direct teams like Stevenage especially if Cresswell is injured. Not good enough to start 30 games a season but a good squad member. Probably score 8-12 goals this season
Not the headline making signings some expected but at this level,I can't see the problem

 

[metalblade]

On the one hand you're saying he's made terrible decisions and on the other you're saying he should make decisions for the manager.....so should he be making decisions or shouldn't he.....which is it?

You have to let the manager manage. Otherwise what's the point? If you dont you end up with a situation like the one at Hearts where the owner dictates everything and one manager after another gets sacked for failing to win with someone else's team.

I think it should be a working relationship let the manager identify who he wants to bring in and let the money man decide then if we can afford it. Clearly Robson was allowed to do pretty much as he pleased when he signed journeymen over 30 on last big pay cheques which helped to get us in the financial mess we are now in, the other extreme is the one you pointed out at Hearts. There does need to be compromise and a working relationship between owner / team manager, how that works between Brussels and Bramall lane I'm not sure, Skype maybe ?
How up to speed with events here is our Kev after it has been passed down the chain of command ?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

If he is truly running it like a business, you appoint the managers, and then you let them manage how they see fit within their budget.

 

[Balham]

If he is truly running it like a business, you appoint the managers, and then you let them manage how they see fit within their budget.

Agree FB but you've missed the critical part of delegation, which is setting SMART targets. No doubt Danny will be under no illusions that the target for this season is promotion.

 

[SwissBlade]

Agree FB but you've missed the critical part of delegation, which is setting SMART targets. No doubt Danny will be under no illusions that the target for this season is promotion.

margainal gains, simple but effective

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I think it should be a working relationship let the manager identify who he wants to bring in and let the money man decide then if we can afford it. Clearly Robson was allowed to do pretty much as he pleased when he signed journeymen over 30 on last big pay cheques which helped to get us in the financial mess we are now in, the other extreme is the one you pointed out at Hearts. There does need to be compromise and a working relationship between owner / team manager, how that works between Brussels and Bramall lane I'm not sure, Skype maybe ?
How up to speed with events here is our Kev after it has been passed down the chain of command ?

I assume that's how it works now metal but more in the way that Bob described above. Manager is given budget and does as he sees fit with it. I'm sure at most football clubs there are plenty of instances where the manager goes to the board for supplementary funds because they feel they need 'just one more signing.'

When Robson was in charge I doubt he was given the freedom of the club coffers, more that we was simply given too big a budget and allowed to spend all of the parachute money. Money that is often used to finance a promotion campaign when it should be used to pay debts racked up in the Premier League. A dozen or more clubs have made the same mistake we did.

 

[StarBlade]

I'm not going to go into the Ched Evans debate. Anyone who wishes to defend a man who was convicted by his peers of one of the most serious offences in a justice system that is among the best in the world, feel free. I will say though, that before he was convicted, before we were relegated, before we failed to win promotion KM was looking to get out, the club was losing tens of millions of pounds standing still in the Championship. The transfer of assets has happened previous to this, I may be wrong but there are no more real estate assets that are held by the football club. As with the previous letter sent out by KM, there's so little information that we as fans simply have to make up what we think is happening. Whether it isn't or not will be found out in the accounts in future.

Regarding rent. I personally think we will be paying rent. I personally think it will be at the market-rate, however that is worked out. I don't know that it is, it's just a guess. I'm not an accountant, my understanding of it goes as far as I read other peoples opinions on the matter, now and in the past. In the past, money has left Sheffield and headed for China, £2.5M I believe. In the past, 10% on some loans has been paid by SUFC to KM. Other loans have had interest to a smaller tune. In my opinion, the club has paid money out in the past, either to KM or to SUFC plc. I don't think that arrangement will have changed.

 

[Bladesway]

No, but he should be saying "look Danny. I have to start running united like a business now" "There is no way you can justify giving Hill and Porter 2 year contracts. Everyone knows and can see that they ain't good enough"

If there is one person who is without fault in his time here it is Danny Wilson. Had we appointed him upon Blackwells demise he would have steadied the ship. He has worked exceptionally well under shite circumstances. Many wouldn't have got us to the Play Off final once Ched went into clink.

Its all well and good some people saying we shouldn't moan at Super Blade but he is one of the main reasons we are where we are. Clubs in China, Oz, Hungary and christ knows what else has cost this club millions. If everyone sits on their hands he just thinks he can keep doing it. It is silence combined with this mans pipe dreams and his investment into SUFC PLC and not the on pitch activities that are in no small part why we are where we are.

Had he kept to his intial, frugal business model we would be bobbing along nicely but no, we had to have a business centre, we had to have a hotel, we had to have this, that and the other. Premiership infrastructure with Premiership costs but a League One club. FFS, how much did the world cup bidding cost us in time, resources and money? I bet you can pretty much nail most of the clubs debt at that mans door.

But best we all shut up, because its time to play in League One again.

 

[StarBlade]

If there is one person who is without fault in his time here it is Danny Wilson. Had we appointed him upon Blackwells demise he would have steadied the ship. He has worked exceptionally well under shite circumstances. Many wouldn't have got us to the Play Off final once Ched went into clink.

Its all well and good some people saying we shouldn't moan at Super Blade but he is one of the main reasons we are where we are. Clubs in China, Oz, Hungary and christ knows what else has cost this club millions. If everyone sits on their hands he just thinks he can keep doing it. It is silence combined with this mans pipe dreams and his investment into SUFC PLC and not the on pitch activities that are in no small part why we are where we are.

Had he kept to his intial, frugal business model we would be bobbing along nicely but no, we had to have a business centre, we had to have a hotel, we had to have this, that and the other. Premiership infrastructure with Premiership costs but a League One club. FFS, how much did the world cup bidding cost us in time, resources and money? I bet you can pretty much nail most of the clubs debt at that mans door.

But best we all shut up, because its time to play in League One again.

Agree with all that. But, when we had clubs in China, Oz, Hungary etc, I think most of us were probably a little smug about it, it seemed to be a non-stop party of buying, investing, strengthening all for tomorrow when we'd be a top 6 club with finances to compete with the best. Take a look at us the global club, buying foreign clubs for our benefit simply because we can, having huge profit making assets to fund pure football at BDTBL. How KM was wrong. How we were wrong.

 

[JohnDenver]

Agree with all that. But, when we had clubs in China, Oz, Hungary etc, I think most of us were probably a little smug about it, it seemed to be a non-stop party of buying, investing, strengthening all for tomorrow when we'd be a top 6 club with finances to compete with the best. Take a look at us the global club, buying foreign clubs for our benefit simply because we can, having huge profit making assets to fund pure football at BDTBL. How KM was wrong. How we were wrong.

If it wasn't for that pesky Wigan game eh...

Although having said that, I wonder if we'd have appointed Robbo even if we'd stayed up?

 

[Bladesway]

Agree with all that. But, when we had clubs in China, Oz, Hungary etc, I think most of us were probably a little smug about it, it seemed to be a non-stop party of buying, investing, strengthening all for tomorrow when we'd be a top 6 club with finances to compete with the best. Take a look at us the global club, buying foreign clubs for our benefit simply because we can, having huge profit making assets to fund pure football at BDTBL. How KM was wrong. How we were wrong.

I was never happy with the purchase of Chengdu because it never made footballing sense. Neither did any of the others. We were jumping on the "next big thing" bandwagon. It was obvious with statements like "football is going to be massive in China". Oh and Europe in 5 years anyone? Problem is we are Sheffield United, not Manchester United. Unless a kid got his teams muddled up he was always going to wear their shirt and not ours.

Some people were questionning all the way back to the building of the acadamy. I don't think most fans wanted to see buildings and clubs abroad because there was always that lingering question "what if we put that money into the first team"

 

[metalblade]

If it wasn't for that pesky Wigan game eh...

Although having said that, I wonder if we'd have appointed Robbo even if we'd stayed up?

You just know we would McCabe wanted a big name manager, even though close on 30,000 fans knew he was the wrong choice of manager.

 

[mpjacko]

I was never happy with the purchase of Chengdu because it never made footballing sense. Neither did any of the others. We were jumping on the "next big thing" bandwagon. It was obvious with statements like "football is going to be massive in China". Oh and Europe in 5 years anyone? Problem is we are Sheffield United, not Manchester United. Unless a kid got his teams muddled up he was always going to wear their shirt and not ours.

Some people were questionning all the way back to the building of the acadamy. I don't think most fans wanted to see buildings and clubs abroad because there was always that lingering question "what if we put that money into the first team"

It may not be true but I got the impression KM bought clubs in China and Hungry so that he could have the rights to build on land next to the grounds and improve his construction company portfolio in the countries, using United name to get a short-cut to the markets?

 

[broomhillblade]

Didn't Lowton have a season in Hungary?

At least it helped in his development. though he would have probably benefited just as well from a loan closer to home.

 

[StarBlade]

I was never happy with the purchase of Chengdu because it never made footballing sense. Neither did any of the others. We were jumping on the "next big thing" bandwagon. It was obvious with statements like "football is going to be massive in China". Oh and Europe in 5 years anyone? Problem is we are Sheffield United, not Manchester United. Unless a kid got his teams muddled up he was always going to wear their shirt and not ours.

Some people were questionning all the way back to the building of the acadamy. I don't think most fans wanted to see buildings and clubs abroad because there was always that lingering question "what if we put that money into the first team"

Well, I'll hold my hands up then and say I was happy, mainly because I thought for every £1 we were spending we'd be getting £2 back. I wasn't interested in Chengdu a great deal, as far as I can gather with any Anglo-Asian footbsll link, it's simply a ploy to sell merchandise to a naive audience.

As for the others, I assumed that a) we'd make money or b) we'd get any new talent worthy of the Premier League.

With hindsight....

 

[blade too long]

I can't agree with that. There was anti McCabe sentiment even while we were in the Prem, and as we were relegated and have been pretty rudderless since I think a large degree of the moaning has been justified. Be honest, if it wasn't for Cheds goals last season we really wouldn't have been that good.

thats a pretty meaningless argument

if man city didnt have ya ya toure they wouldnt be that good
if huddersfield hadnt had rhodes they werent that good

thing was , for all we moan mccabe kept paying Cheds wages

 

[sheffielder]

Didn't Lowton have a season in Hungary?

At least it helped in his development. though he would have probably benefited just as well from a loan closer to home.

Didn't Lowton have a season in Hungary?

At least it helped in his development. though he would have probably benefited just as well from a loan closer to home.

It wasn't a loan. Blackwell didn't want him and ditched him and he was brought back after his succesful season in Hungary