Weir out

[alcoblade]

I highly doubt they would go down such a road off the back of the dissenting voices of supporters who for the majority, will have never played or managed a football game in their life.

They see the same league table, results and performance as we do. And generally, under the same circumstances anywhere in England, managers don't get much longer.

You do not need to have played or managed to make sense of empirical evidence.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

The majority seem to be saying he needs to go, I personally think the majority have lost the fucking plot.

I think the poll suggested the majority would give him a bit longer, didn't it?

Edit: 70 % would at least give him a while longer. I'd say the majority are employing common sense, and nothing more.

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-poll.31229/

UTB

 

[KenMcnaughtsNuts]

Desperate times for you guys, but you can't keep sacking managers, surely?

I can hardly believe your bad start to the season - incredible.

Previous managers have nothing to do with it. You don't keep a new hoover if its broke, just cos the one you had before was broke. If its shite, its shite. You keep taking that bugger back to Argos, even if it takes you 20 hoovers to get one that works properly!

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

They see the same league table, results and performance as we do. And generally, under the same circumstances anywhere in England, managers don't get much longer.

You do not need to have played or managed to make sense of empirical evidence.

UTB

No but it doesn't make anyone any of us authority on how long the manager should be afforded to turn things around. I would say more than seven games is reasonable.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I think the poll suggested the majority would give him a bit longer, didn't it?

Edit: 70 % would at least give him a while longer. I'd say the majority are employing common sense, and nothing more.

http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/should-he-stay-or-should-he-go-poll.31229/

UTB

I haven't looked at that poll to be honest and am going off the majority of comments I am hearing and reading. That poll doesn't reflect what most seem to be saying. Perhaps it's a noisy minority.

 

[Bladesway]

The buck stops with the man who picks the team, and instructs them how to play

Not the man who picks the man who picks the team and gives him nothing to work with and sells his best player?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I know, no worries.

No I wouldn't accept relegation and I don't accept the position we are in but I will say it again.....not to you specifically but to everyone.....HE'S HAD SEVEN GAMES! I agree its not been a good seven games but that is no reasonable amount of time to judge any new manager. If this run continues into the next month, the one after then yes action needs to be taken.

The majority seem to be saying he needs to go, I personally think the majority have lost the fucking plot.

I think the majority would play two up front

 

[BladeFisher]

Sorry, it was a tongue in cheek comment. Personally I think Weir would benefit (and would have benefitted initially) with having an experienced assistant - somebody who has experience of this level of football. At the moment the side is creating next to no chances to score, which is a major concern as that is the basic tenet of the game! The question is, would you accept relegation to the bottom tier of the league to stick with a manager and his philosophy on management? If its not working with the shower available to him in division 3 I really can't see how he will make any progress getting out of the 4th.

Ah but he will, to the Premier....... the Conference Premier

 

[BladeFisher]

Previous managers have nothing to do with it. You don't keep a new hoover if its broke, just cos the one you had before was broke. If its shite, its shite. You keep taking that bugger back to Argos, even if it takes you 20 hoovers to get one that works properly!

Or go to Cole Brothers and get a quality hoover.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I agree, he needs more time. On another thread I said he should get another 5 games (another 5 games of next to no goals and he will have to go regardless of the boards opinion of him)

I think that's reasonable enough. I would find it difficult to defend his position if this continued for another 5 games. For the record I don't think it will. He's a fighter and has been all his career. He will find a way to make it work.

 

[stannyblade]

I think that's reasonable enough. I would find it difficult to defend his position if this continued for another 5 games. For the record I don't think it will. He's a fighter and has been all his career. He will find a way to make it work.

That's easy. Play 2 up front and create chances for them. Will he play two up front though? that's the question. Or is he too stubborn?
For the record I do think Weir will make a good manager given the right players to play the way he wants. Trouble is we need 2 wingbacks, a ball playing midfielder ( a la Danny Murphy) and a good striker at least before it will start to work for us.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

That's easy. Play 2 up front and create chances for them. Will he play two up front though? that's the question. Or is he too stubborn?

Given that he was reportedly trying to sign Wilson AND Clarke, perhaps he just doesn't think we have a viable strike pairing at present. Which isn't necessarily surprising given everyone seems to think all our strikers are terrible. Perhaps when Miller is fit, that might change.

 

[alcoblade]

Given that he was reportedly trying to sign Wilson AND Clarke, perhaps he just doesn't think we have a viable strike pairing at present. Which isn't necessarily surprising given everyone seems to think all our strikers are terrible. Perhaps when Miller is fit, that might change.

Maybe so. But we have clear evidence that one up front isn't working for us, so perhaps he needs to question what he thinks, given the actual facts.

UTB

 

[stannyblade]

Given that he was reportedly trying to sign Wilson AND Clarke, perhaps he just doesn't think we have a viable strike pairing at present. Which isn't necessarily surprising given everyone seems to think all our strikers are terrible. Perhaps when Miller is fit, that might change.

May be he didn't try hard enough or maybe he should have looked elsewhere for alternatives. Instead we got nobody. Quality of the front man isn't really an issue at the moment as we just aren't creating.

 

[Sirius]

Sorry, it was a tongue in cheek comment. Personally I think Weir would benefit (and would have benefitted initially) with having an experienced assistant - somebody who has experience of this level of football. At the moment the side is creating next to no chances to score, which is a major concern as that is the basic tenet of the game! The question is, would you accept relegation to the bottom tier of the league to stick with a manager and his philosophy on management? If its not working with the shower available to him in division 3 I really can't see how he will make any progress getting out of the 4th.

Even if Weir agreed to have a more experienced assistant,(which I don't think he would) I think it most unlikely that he would accept advice to change from his preferred and only formation. Sad really, I expected better.

 

[Balham]

That's easy. Play 2 up front and create chances for them. Will he play two up front though? that's the question. Or is he too stubborn?
For the record I do think Weir will make a good manager given the right players to play the way he wants. Trouble is we need 2 wingbacks, a ball playing midfielder ( a la Danny Murphy) and a good striker at least before it will start to work for us.

It's not as simple as playing two up front though. The issue isn't the forwards: if they were missing a hatful of chances then maybe there would be cause to go and spend the budget on new strikers.

The issue is the full backs. If you are going to play 4-2-3-1 you have to have attacking full backs to overload the opposition defence. The only goal we've scored from open play this season came when Westlake got to the byline and pulled the ball back to an onrushing midfielder. McMahon doesn't have that in his game (too busy winding up the opposition winger) and neither does Hill (not a left back). Because of this, we're playing in front of the opposition and hoping that the front 5 (let's face it, Doyle doesn't contribute that much in an attacking sense) can get through 8 defenders.

I sincerely hope that the scouting department is at Premier League U21 games looking at full backs who are in need of first team football to make the step up from academy games.

 

[DazBlade88]

I sincerely hope that the scouting department is at Premier League U21 games looking at full backs who are in need of first team football to make the step up from academy games.

Weir was at the Manchester United v Bolton U21 game last night, sat next to David Moyes. I wouldn't be surprised to see us get one from there - possibly Tyler Blackett as a left back?

I saw an interesting tweet from Robbie Savage last night, who had been talking to Brendan Rogers about his system. He says that he ALWAYS wants 5 players back when Liverpool attack (2 centre halves, 2 midfielders and 1 full back), giving the 5 players going forward the freedom to attack and know that they have plenty of cover. I am absolutely certain that this is the system Weir is trying to emulate.

What we need for that to work is like you said, full backs who can contribute to attacking play and be a threat. When they overlap, the wingers can push inside with your number 10 coming in from deep and you have plenty of options. The trouble we're having is that the wingers, whoever they are, are coming inside for this overlapping run which isn't there and it's easy for them to defend against because you don't have an option to spread the play.

It might not guarantee goals for certain, but it would certainly increase the amount of chances we're creating which for me is the biggest worry. If we were creating plenty of chances and missing them, I think many people would be more relaxed about our situation because you'd have to think they'll start going in and the results will eventually follow. We simply have to start creating chances for Weir to get back onside with the fans.