We would have stayed up under VAR

[Champagneblade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

 

[pblades]

Oh please no

 

[Champagneblade]

Ha Ha. Come on, it's topical!

 

[Barney]

Oh well, what's done is done. No point dwelling.

Let's look forward, we're well on our way back to the premier league

 

[Danny_Blade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

It's still all ifs and buts though.

Also despite what VAR might reveal when officials decide to review something it cannot overrule the officials, so the final decision of something will still be with the power of the officials.

 

[Groucho Blade]

Would we have been relegated???
We would have blummin qualified for Europe if all the dubious decisions that went against us that season had been correctly overturned.

 

[coaxingstar71]

It would be interesting, or perhaps insanely boring, to know what the league table would have looked like if every decision in every game had been the correct one. I suspect we'd still have been relegated.

 

[super_pig]

It would be interesting, or perhaps insanely boring, to know what the league table would have looked like if every decision in every game had been the correct one. I suspect we'd still have been relegated.

eh?! we’d have won the league

 

[8lade]

The penalty v Liverpool would still have been given for the following reasons:

1. It was given as intent to foul.
2. We were supposed to be the opening day sacrificial lamb and concede at least 3.
3. Nobody other than top 6 are allowed to upset Liverpool.

 

[Esablade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

 

[coaxingstar71]

eh?! we’d have won the league

In case it wasn't clear, I meant in all games including the ones we weren't involved in. Law of averages and all that.

I know what you're intimating though

 

[Silent Blade]

In the last game of the 1993-94 season

Wimbledon were winning 2-1 at Everton when Gary Ablett handled a Dean Holdsworth header on the line

With about 20 minutes left Ipswich's Dave Linighan handled the ball to deflect a cross in the penalty box at Ewood Park. If the ref had spotted it then Shearer would have banged the penalty in to send Ipswich down

 

[Sean Thornton]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

Auntie, Uncle, bollocks!

 

[B.Lade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

But then we'd lose points due to Webber's winner at Watford being ruled out for offside... Swings and roundabouts...

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

Can VAR identify player third party ownership issues?

 

[stringer]

Have United never benefitted from an incorrect referee's call?

 

[PokerBlade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

You missed one.

- Assuming that no other teams can also point to half a dozen decisions that went against them

 

[mattbianco1]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

Take another 2 pts off West Ham for this

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Have United never benefitted from an incorrect referee's call?

We’ve never admitted to it...

 

[SwissBlade]

Typical how it has come too late.

Looking back on our ill-fated Premier League season, there are a number of decisions which would have been overturned under review:

- The penalty vs Liverpool would have shown no contact and a 1-0 victory would have kicked off the season.
- The foul on Luton Shelton would have given us a goal at Old Trafford which could have kept us up.
- The Kozzy goal against West Ham for what was a foul on Geary, not the other way would have got us a point and West Ham two less.
- Before Jagielka's fateful handball, a foul on him at the other end would have been given.

I think there were others but there was a website which was called have you got specs ref or something along those lines and we would have been safe.

How things could have been different!

Any others? I seem to think there were.

Perhaps many other results would've differed for other clubs.

 

[knowsnowt]

 

[Isaw Joeshaw]

Take another 2 pts off West Ham for this

Yes,that's the worst one of all.

I remember watching a panel analyse that 'goal' and concluding that there were at least THREE reasons why it shouldn't have been given - apart from the fact that the poisoned dwarf shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first fucking place.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Didn’t all the experts on the Match of the Day and Sky agree that the challenge on Gerrard was a definite penalty.

They said there doesn’t need to be contact.
They said that Morgan was clearly trying/ hoping to bring him down
But Gerrard managed to hurdle the incoming foul, so there wasn’t any contact, but then he lost his balance.

Don’t know the rules myself but they said a penalty was the correct decision.

Also I can’t agree with 1 off events having an affect on the claim.
Because if those decisions were changed due to VAR then the whole match becomes different.
We might have still lost anyway.

 

[mattbianco1]

Yes,that's the worst one of all.

I remember watching a panel analyse that 'goal' and concluding that there were at least THREE reasons why it shouldn't have been given - apart from the fact that the poisoned dwarf shouldn't have been on the pitch in the first fucking place.

And said dwarf was offside. And said dwarf stopped it crossing the line. But apart from all that ???

 

[mattbianco1]

They said that Morgan was clearly trying/ hoping to bring him down

Yep. Rob styles said that he gave the penalty for "intent". I've never known a foul be given for intent, before, or since that day.

An extract from Neil Warnock's book:

"We got what I thought was a diabolical decision given against us in the opening game, when Rob Styles gave a penalty against us. He said it was 'for intent' after Chris Morgan attempted to tackle Steven Gerrard but never actually touched him. Keith Hackett, the referee's chief, later told me there is no such thing as 'intent', but it was too late then."

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Didn’t all the experts on the Match of the Day and Sky agree that the challenge on Gerrard was a definite penalty.

They said there doesn’t need to be contact.
They said that Morgan was clearly trying/ hoping to bring him down
But Gerrard managed to hurdle the incoming foul, so there wasn’t any contact, but then he lost his balance.

Don’t know the rules myself but they said a penalty was the correct decision.

Also I can’t agree with 1 off events having an affect on the claim.
Because if those decisions were changed due to VAR then the whole match becomes different.
We might have still lost anyway.

I would dearly love to see the incident again but can't find it anywhere. My overall memory of it is that it was a pretty reckless challenge by Morgan and I didn't have many problems with the penalty being given, at least not before the replays! I think it's alright to give a foul even though there's no contact because I believe players should try to stay on their feet, which you can't have if you are telling them they need to leave their feet in the way or they can't have a foul.
However, I have two problems with it, one, there is no consistency. No one else gets penalties against them for "intent". Two, as I remember it, Gerrard, having avoided Morgan, did a "shot by a sniper act" and went down in a flamboyant heap. It was a dive to get the ref to give him a penalty, which I believe worked, which makes a nonsense of the whole "no contact but intent" claim.
As I say, I'd like to see it again, because I am not sure what's right.

 

[dazzlingblade]

I would dearly love to see the incident again but can't find it anywhere. My overall memory of it is that it was a pretty reckless challenge by Morgan and I didn't have many problems with the penalty being given, at least not before the replays! I think it's alright to give a foul even though there's no contact because I believe players should try to stay on their feet, which you can't have if you are telling them they need to leave their feet in the way or they can't have a foul.
However, I have two problems with it, one, there is no consistency. No one else gets penalties against them for "intent". Two, as I remember it, Gerrard, having avoided Morgan, did a "shot by a sniper act" and went down in a flamboyant heap. It was a dive to get the ref to give him a penalty, which I believe worked, which makes a nonsense of the whole "no contact but intent" claim.
As I say, I'd like to see it again, because I am not sure what's right.

 

[blade too long]

Didn’t all the experts on the Match of the Day and Sky agree that the challenge on Gerrard was a definite penalty.

They said there doesn’t need to be contact.
.

many a time now whens are given
he got the ball comes up , but the attacker had to hurdle or got caught by the intervening leg

so thats exactly the opposite view

VAR is just more opinions entering the fray, theres going to be just as much argument ahead

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Have United never benefitted from an incorrect referee's call?

86/87 - Edwards offside At Leeds - scored to win 1-0
02-03 - pesky offside v palace in league cup quarter final

 

[Hamburg Blade]

Thank you for that dazzlingblade . Hmmm, I find it hard to argue that wasn't a penalty. And in my memory Gerrard collapsing was worse. Ah well.