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Thats right ladies, Sheffield United have a new piece of silverware (Castle Market Trophy Stall £15.99, engraving extra), the Maltese Triangular Cup (sponsored by Toblerone)!!! Get in!!!!

A comfortable 1-0 against Vitoriosa All Stars was followed by the big one, a battle royal against Hibernian (no silly, not that one) which we won thanks to an early penalty and a goal to kill it off. Can anything stop us now? I dont think so...






Actually, we played all the kids in the Hibs (45min) game, so maybe there is a reason why were not signing a bunch of squad players. Maybe, just maybe we fancy our own kids to warm the bench instead..? :eek:
 

Good effort, I'll take it. Where's the 2013 Champions League final? ;) Good to see the young lads getting a game and getting a result. McCabe did say he wanted to see them more involved.
 
"Vittoriosa Stars ... didn't touch the ball in the first two minutes...."
(Good grief - have we turned into a passing side?)

"... before Morgan's short backpass forced Aksalu into a hurried kicked clearance."
(That's more like it!)
 
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This is the best day of my life as a Blade!

Boggy is the best signing ever

In your face Fiery, Mic, Torrix and Olle. In your face !!!
 
I do hope this doesn't alter the views of Mr Blackwell and he decides that the squad will storm the division without any further additions
Success may go to his head as he's never been a WINNER before and may not be able to handle all the pressure that comes with a winning side!
 
I do hope this doesn't alter the views of Mr Blackwell and he decides that the squad will storm the division without any further additions
Success may go to his head as he's never been a WINNER before and may not be able to handle all the pressure that comes with a winning side!

He's earnt it Fiery, this is the pinacle of any managers career, I just hope he can bring the lads back down to earth by the time we play Cardiff or our season may be ruined
 
i'll reserve judgement until I see how the Blades deal with the might of Burton, Rotherham and Hartlepool in the next few days!
 
Another Trophy to go alongside the Famous "Yorkshire & Humberside Cup" won in a tumultuous struggle Vs Scarboro`
 
Six academy kids on the pitch at the end of the Hibs match (Connor Brown, Phil Roe, Kingsley James, Matt Lowton, Nat Foster, Jordon Chappell). I guess this might be what McCabe was alluding to at the fans forum. If we see them with first team squad numbers and sitting on the bench then the winds have definately changed...
 
Good article in today's Guardian about Watford's academy


The visitors from Ajax's celebrated youth development programme were adamant. "If you tried to copy us, you've got it wrong," they told Nick Cox, the co-ordinator of Watford's academy. Then came the pay-off. "You've managed to get even more coaching time with the kids than we have. Well done!"

In the debate as to how England can produce more, and better, footballers – an issue raised yet again after the feats of Germany and Spain at the World Cup – Watford are providing a persuasive answer. Their academy for 11- to 16-year-olds at Harefield, just off the M25, has attracted admirers from as far afield as Valencia as well as a slew of Premier League clubs.

Since the Premier League began introducing academies 12 years ago, the problem clubs have most consistently complained about is how little time they can spend with young players. Watford used to have similar gripes. Cox says: "The kids would be tired after a day in school, then dash home, maybe grab some fast food on the way, then travel to the academy to do an hour of training, then travel back again and then maybe stay up late to do their homework. They may not have been eating right, probably weren't getting as much rest as they should have and, on top of that, weren't playing as much football as children in European countries with different education systems."

Proponents of youth development invoke the so-called 10,000-hour rule, according to which people who achieve excellence in any sphere only do so after about 10,000 hours of practice. Ged Roddy, the Premier League's director of youth, says: "Academy players will need up to 20 hours a week of contact time with their coaches across the secondary school years if they are to have any chance of meeting this level of contact."

No Premier League club is near that target even though most go to considerable efforts to strike deals with schools over the release of players. Sunderland, for example, employ Brian Buddle, a former head teacher, to oversee maths and English tuition for teenagers when they are given a day off school to train and have been awarded Grade 1 approval by Ofsted.

Watford have gone even further. Cox says: "Like all clubs we wanted to increase the contact time with the kids but we decided to go about it in the opposite way to most: not to get them out of school, but to put them into one."

Three years ago, they offered 34 young players places in the local secondary school in Harefield, which, driven by the former Olympic figure skater Haig Oundjian, a governor at the school and at the time a director of Watford, was being reinvented as a comprehensive academy with a focus on sport. So unlike Dutch clubs or residential programmes for young footballers such as France's acclaimed Clairefontaine model, Watford have integrated their academy players into a mainstream school, securing more time with their charges while saving on cost and preserving a healthy sense of normality among aspiring footballers.

Cox says: "We pick the children up at around 7am and they then do all the normal subjects but also have scheduled coaching throughout the day – at times when they are fresh – then we drop them home at 7pm. We get to do about 15 hours of football with them a week, up to three times more than most other clubs in this country.

"And not only do kids not have to sacrifice their education, we find that they actually perform better in the classroom as well as on the pitch because the environment is more stimulating and they are more driven in everything – they know if they are not doing their best in the classroom we can take away the privilege of training. We have 50 kids here now – before, they might have been in 50 different schools and we would have had no idea what they were doing for 95% of their time. Here we can take more responsibility for their development, both as players and as people."

The Premier League approves. Roddy says: "The development of academies and the deregulation of schools may provide some interesting opportunities for football to link with the education system. This could provide a more flexible environment in which to negotiate the much-needed access to coaching for the potential elites that frequent our academies."

Cross-training is another development buzzword. Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion and Birmingham City have started to put this into practice in a limited sense – by training their 10- to 14-year-olds together, exposing the children to a wider range of playing and coaching talent.

Again Watford go further. The scholars at Harefield also include gifted young gymnasts, dancers, cricketers and even a jockey and an ice hockey player, and Watford take advantage. Limbering up every day with the ballet teacher has proved an enlightening experience. "We were a bit sceptical at first but it has really helped our strength and flexibility," says the 15-year-old Richard Mensah. "You notice it most when you stretch for the ball – you can stretch farther without feeling any strain."

Already Watford are reaping the fruit. They reached the quarter-finals of the FA Youth Cup – the national tournament for Under-18s – in each of the past two seasons. "Last season we beat Liverpool at Anfield before losing to Chelsea," Cox says. "That was a massive marker for us because our players all grew up on average 12 miles from Vicarage Road whereas many of the Premier League clubs start bringing in players from all over Europe once you reach over-16 level, so it's been a great indicator of the progress we've been making." On the final day of last season, the 17-year-old Gavin Massey laid down another marker when he became the first Harefield graduate to make his debut for the senior side, appearing as a substitute against Coventry City. He has since signed a professional contract. More, it is hoped, will come.
 
Six academy kids on the pitch at the end of the Hibs match (Connor Brown, Phil Roe, Kingsley James, Matt Lowton, Nat Foster, Jordon Chappell). I guess this might be what McCabe was alluding to at the fans forum. If we see them with first team squad numbers and sitting on the bench then the winds have definately changed...

Let's hope it's a change of wind, however we don't seem to have 2 centre halves to come through. I have heard good things about Roe and Chappell seems to be getting his chance. I don't believe in the crap from swiss and such people that we as fans don't give youngsters a chance. If we end up doing bugger all this season, let's at least bring in some youngsters. I don't want the squad filled up with players like Ryan France, Kyel Reid etc; Why bring in a 3rd rate player when you can blood a youngster from within. The fact that a few of them have featured heavily in pre season so far gives me hope for the future of the club, although I don't believe Blackwell will fill in his bench and squad with youngsters when his neck is on the block
 
"You'll never win anything with kids............."

I'd rather we tried with our kids, who combined would probably be on the same money as Walton. Give the kids a go.
 

Seriously though including Mansfield i noticed KB has played boggy and evans in 2 out of 3 outings up top i think thats your starting 2. Oh and massive boost to win that trophy!!!!
 
however we don't seem to have 2 centre halves to come through

You're just getting greedy mate! Roe is supposed to be centre-half material. Connor Brown is a fullback/centre half, and Matty Lowton has already played in the first team at fullback of course. Chappell and James played midfield and Nat Foster is showing promise upfront. I think your comment about using the kids rather than squad fillers is broadly right, assuming we have them ready to come through of course. There will still be occasions (maybe if its the last 10 minutes away to Cardiff leading 1-0, but well under the cosh) where having 4 or 5 lads under 21 on the pitch is going to put a doubt in Blackwells mind, but as someone once said if they are good enough, they are old enough. Bit of a slap for the 'no-one ever came out of the academy' mob too...
 
You guys don't know the half. When I was a chabby, we regularly won t'County Cup. Those really were glory days. :)
 
Roe is supposed to be centre-half material.

He'd better get on the steriods then, he's tiny and destined to be a full back!

I'd like to see Maguire considered around the squad, he's built for it and very comfortable on the ball.
 
He'd better get on the steriods then, he's tiny and destined to be a full back!

I'd like to see Maguire considered around the squad, he's built for it and very comfortable on the ball.

Got confused with the other one... :confused:
 
You're just getting greedy mate! Roe is supposed to be centre-half material. Connor Brown is a fullback/centre half, and Matty Lowton has already played in the first team at fullback of course. Chappell and James played midfield and Nat Foster is showing promise upfront. I think your comment about using the kids rather than squad fillers is broadly right, assuming we have them ready to come through of course. There will still be occasions (maybe if its the last 10 minutes away to Cardiff leading 1-0, but well under the cosh) where having 4 or 5 lads under 21 on the pitch is going to put a doubt in Blackwells mind, but as someone once said if they are good enough, they are old enough. Bit of a slap for the 'no-one ever came out of the academy' mob too...

......what is, having such a small squad that we're having to fill it with youngsters? Don't get me wrong, I hope there's some talent there - but it doesn't sound to me that this is a case of youngsters forcing their way in, it's more a case of needs must at the moment.

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......what is, having such a small squad that we're having to fill it with youngsters? Don't get me wrong, I hope there's some talent there - but it doesn't sound to me that this is a case of youngsters forcing their way in, it's more a case of needs must at the moment.

UTB

We bring in journeymen 30 something pro's - 'Why dont we give the kids a chance?'

We give the kids a chance - "They're just filling in because we can't afford proper players'

Such is the contrary nature of this forum...



(From what I've seen of them, which isn't an awful lot I grant you but I have seen them a few times first hand, these six are heading for the first team squad on merit. There's a couple more who aren't far away either by all accounts. Developing young players isn't an overnight business...)
 
We bring in journeymen 30 something pro's - 'Why dont we give the kids a chance?'

We give the kids a chance - "They're just filling in because we can't afford proper players'

Such is the contrary nature of this forum...



(From what I've seen of them, which isn't an awful lot I grant you but I have seen them a few times first hand, these six are heading for the first team squad on merit. There's a couple more who aren't far away either by all accounts. Developing young players isn't an overnight business...)

I'm not being contrary at all, I'm just applying common sense. The money's dried up and the quality of player we're after has dropped. The quality of fringe signings is now hardly better than the academy, so there's no point signing them. It makes perfect sense and I have no problem whatsoever with it. None the less, you'd have to be a "clapper in chief (TM)" to interpret that as being a measure of success of the academy....:)

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I would much rather lose with youth who are giving their all than lose with jounerymen who couldn't give a preverbial. Fans will always give young lads their backing.
 
I would much rather lose with youth who are giving their all than lose with jounerymen who couldn't give a preverbial. Fans will always give young lads their backing.

I agree entirely and perhaps there's a shift in the approach of the club, probably driven by money. But last year none of the players we're deemed good enough. If they are now, it's a sign of a change of this approach, not a measure of success.

Whatever we think, the patience of the fans will probably see out a 3 game losing streak before the players, academy prospects or journeyman, start getting the flack.

UTB
 
The quality of fringe signings is now hardly better than the academy, so there's no point signing them. It makes perfect sense and I have no problem whatsoever with it. None the less, you'd have to be a "clapper in chief (TM)" to interpret that as being a measure of success of the academy....:)

UTB
I take your point that if the coffers weren't bare then we'd be buying £1-£2m journeymen by the dozen, but if you haven't seen them yet I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the youngsters. They all play with a freedom and are comfortable on the ball in the style of the two Kyles (recently departed). Hard to tell if any of them are at that standard because of the standard of opposition, but i remember Naughton playing right midfield in pre-season at Scunny a couple of seasons back and he didn't look that good. His chance came and the rest is history, etc etc.

So, my glass is half full and if I can't clap the academy for getting half a dozen youngsters at least close to being first team squad material over the last 12 months then what is worth clapping..?
 
I take your point that if the coffers weren't bare then we'd be buying £1-£2m journeymen by the dozen, but if you haven't seen them yet I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the quality of the youngsters. They all play with a freedom and are comfortable on the ball in the style of the two Kyles (recently departed). Hard to tell if any of them are at that standard because of the standard of opposition, but i remember Naughton playing right midfield in pre-season at Scunny a couple of seasons back and he didn't look that good. His chance came and the rest is history, etc etc.

So, my glass is half full and if I can't clap the academy for getting half a dozen youngsters at least close to being first team squad material over the last 12 months then what is worth clapping..?


Be honest, your glass is still spilling over.....:D

Those that follow the academy lads didn't seem to be too impressed in recent times, but I really hope you're right. I think we all agree we'd rather give young lads a chance than sign the likes of France and Stewart.

More of a concern is our lack of signings in defence. I hope this week will see some action.

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