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Gav said:
So our Hecky hasn’t got a great managerial record has he?

Everything else aside with politics around the club and various theories as to what is going on we have a new manager that hasn’t exactly got a great pedigree.

I’ll be backing him and the lads tomorrow and getting behind them, and I’d love him to be a success for us.

My inclination is that we will get a new manager bounce, more intensity and attacking intent from the lads. But and it’s a big but he hasn’t had success anywhere he’s been previously when in the number one position for a sustained period. Let’s hope this is the making of him.

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CopenhagenBlade said:
I read somewhere that as he was already on a 5-year contract, legally we couldn’t promote him and give him less in a contract. Is that correct?
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There's no legal implications, it would be up to Hecky if he wanted to walk away from a 5 year U23 contract and sign say a 2 year 1st team contract instead.
 
bakeblade said:
There's no legal implications, it would be up to Hecky if he wanted to walk away from a 5 year U23 contract and sign say a 2 year 1st team contract instead.
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That's not actually true. Even though football contracts are strange beasts, you still need to comply with Employment Law even with fixed term contracts (which we are talking about). To use simple figures if you are a 5 year contract at £20k a year and I approach you and say I want to give you a more senior position at £25k a year but its only three years then that would be illegal unless after a reasonable consultation period you agreed as the terms are actually less. I couldn't say you've got a hour to decide as that would be unreasonable. Also, after 2 years even on a ftc you have protected rights and after 4 years you automatically become permanent.
 
Gav said:
So our Hecky hasn’t got a great managerial record has he?

Everything else aside with politics around the club and various theories as to what is going on we have a new manager that hasn’t exactly got a great pedigree.

I’ll be backing him and the lads tomorrow and getting behind them, and I’d love him to be a success for us.

My inclination is that we will get a new manager bounce, more intensity and attacking intent from the lads. But and it’s a big but he hasn’t had success anywhere he’s been previously when in the number one position for a sustained period. Let’s hope this is the making of him.

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Champagneblade said:
I don't think his managerial record has got going that much for any of us to judge and stats can easily be manipulated to suit an agenda.

At Barnsley, his win % wasn't the highest but there are a fair few draws in there and he did get them promoted to the Championship and then finish 9th in there, which for Barnsley is a couple of good seasons. Mostly they're expected to struggle at this level. You could say a promotion to the Championship and a 9th placed finish by the age of 41 is well ahead of what Wilder was achieving at that age.

He did well enough to be poached by Leeds.

At Leeds he was given just 16 games and not a single transfer window but did introduce some younger players. I don't see how that is any period to judge a guy. It's even less than Jokanovic.

At Hibs, he won more than he lost and was there less than a year, in a period ravaged by injuries. Some of the Hibs guys are sympathetic, saying Doidge's poor finishing cost them a lot.

He also did slightly better in terms of points per game than Wilder last season.

So he has a foundation. Let's see if he can kick on.
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Hecky holds a UEFA pro licence which is the highest qualification, this badge is primarily about building football clubs over a few years with regards to structures from youth through to first teams and long term strategy. Along with his BSC and MSC (Honours) in Sports Coaching I would say this is why he has been given a 4+ years contract with the title of Football Manager (a better title would be Head of Football) which may lead to a first team coach being appointed as per the continental football clubs. I suspect Hecky had a huge say in the strategy.
 
ghandi said:
Hecky holds a UEFA pro licence which is the highest qualification, this badge is primarily about building football clubs over a few years with regards to structures from youth through to first teams and long term strategy. Along with his BSC and MSC (Honours) in Sports Coaching I would say this is why he has been given a 4+ years contract with the title of Football Manager (a better title would be Head of Football) which may lead to a first team coach being appointed as per the continental football clubs. I suspect Hecky had a huge say in the strategy.
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Champagneblade said:
I don't think his managerial record has got going that much for any of us to judge and stats can easily be manipulated to suit an agenda.

At Barnsley, his win % wasn't the highest but there are a fair few draws in there and he did get them promoted to the Championship and then finish 9th in there, which for Barnsley is a couple of good seasons. Mostly they're expected to struggle at this level. You could say a promotion to the Championship and a 9th placed finish by the age of 41 is well ahead of what Wilder was achieving at that age.

He did well enough to be poached by Leeds.

At Leeds he was given just 16 games and not a single transfer window but did introduce some younger players. I don't see how that is any period to judge a guy. It's even less than Jokanovic.

At Hibs, he won more than he lost and was there less than a year, in a period ravaged by injuries. Some of the Hibs guys are sympathetic, saying Doidge's poor finishing cost them a lot.

He also did slightly better in terms of points per game than Wilder last season.

So he has a foundation. Let's see if he can kick on.
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I think you have said everything I was going to post, well said buddy. I'm not worried too much about reputations Slav had a very good reputation but that meant nothing here and I don't think he will be judged on his time here. That being the case why judge Hecky on his time at Leeds which lasted a similar number of games at what was a basket case of a club at that time. I'm thinking the time is right for Hecky to show what he can do over more than one season or part of a season and I'm behind him 110%.
 
JJBlade said:
This club will end up non league, mark my words, it will happen.

You can only act amateur for so long before it becomes a reality

Still, there might be an odd occasion when our fans will be able to big themselves up about promotion back to League 2 and taking 2000 to away games........until the harsh reality of League 2 kicks in and they realise it's too expensive for us.
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Guesty said:
After the events of the last few days I'm not convinced we'll have a club in 5 years time.
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What a load of steaming 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
 
ghandi said:
Hecky holds a UEFA pro licence which is the highest qualification, this badge is primarily about building football clubs over a few years with regards to structures from youth through to first teams and long term strategy. Along with his BSC and MSC (Honours) in Sports Coaching I would say this is why he has been given a 4+ years contract with the title of Football Manager (a better title would be Head of Football) which may lead to a first team coach being appointed as per the continental football clubs. I suspect Hecky had a huge say in the strategy.
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With the greatest of respect I’ve met and worked with plenty of people who have excellent qualifications but are absolutely shit at putting it into practise and applying it to real life.
 
Obviously I experienced Hecky at Hibs.

He started well, we got the new manager bounce, he was getting a tune out of the players that were there and things seemed rosey.

However, he made the mistake a lot of English managers do when they come up to Scotland and used the summer window to fill the team with League One and Championship journeymen who all came up short. We only have two of those players left because they managed to turn it around under our next manager. He persisted with them though, despite results, and started getting arsey about fan criticism in post match interviews. We slipped down the league and he got sacked after a 5-2 cuffing off a Neil Lennon Celtic who were in no great shape themselves.

He talked a good game, but I could never figure out what his playstyle was... It seemed to start off as a high press but eventually just turned to long ball guff.

Scottish football is a strange beast though and I don't think it suited him at all.
 
MobileBlade said:
It was actually 9 points from last 6 games which equates to a top 6 finish in Premier League terms and if repeated for rest of this season will see us comfortably in the play-offs.
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Wow. Just wow.

So if we discount the 5 match losing run, we won as many as we lost.

I can’t believe I doubted him.

He’ll be gone in 12 months.
 
Revolution said:
Wow. Just wow.

So if we discount the 5 match losing run, we won as many as we lost.

I can’t believe I doubted him.

He’ll be gone in 12 months.
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He had 10 league games and 1 cup game. Even on the 10 games the points ratio would have been enough to stay up over a full Premier League season. And it was MUCH better than the massiah over the season.
 



MobileBlade said:
He had 10 league games and 1 cup game. Even on the 10 games the points ratio would have been enough to stay up over a full Premier League season. And it was MUCH better than the massiah over the season.
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He had 11 league games.

He lost 8.

He got 9 points.

Over 38 games that’s 31 points.

That’s relegation form.

Stop making things up.
 
He certainly didn't oversee worse performances than Wilder during last season. He didn't oversee better ones either though. Nobody could have done anything with that squad in that state.

I actually think he will steady the ship a bit and we will do slightly better under him this season then we did under Slav purely as he won't change anything. Unfortunately the reason we likely won't go on a run is also because he won't change anything. It obviously needs an overhaul but Thursday cemented the fact that isn't going to happen.

I think the talk of League 2 and even going bust is highly unlikely. The most probable scenario for the next few years is lower mid table Championship. After that it totally depends who the owner is. I don't think The Prince will be here by that point.
 
Revolution said:
He had 11 league games.

He lost 8.

He got 9 points.

Over 38 games that’s 31 points.

That’s relegation form.

Stop making things up.
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Using the match ratings system on here PH (4.68) got a lower average rating for his 11 games in charge than Wilder (4.95) did for the other 32 games (including Cup games) that season.
 
I welcome Pauls return as he will combine the better first team players with upcoming youth and gradually his under 23 winning team
over recent seasons will get a chance to shine without spunking mega bucks which blades board do not have anyway
on so called exp players Slav and most it seams on this board want to see in a blades shirt.
At best one or two expensive signing are most we could afford over a couple of windows and that is not enough to rebuild this aging team.
Board are not Fulham or Villa pumping £75m into players and it will never happen.

I would rather see blades busting a high tempo 3 - 5 - 2 than this recent turgid slow pace backwards sideways , anywhere but towards goal and fannying around with no pace or imagination to break down defences.

So right now i am backing PH and team to get blades playing like a team with flair and more pace.
 
Champagneblade said:
I don't think his managerial record has got going that much for any of us to judge and stats can easily be manipulated to suit an agenda.

At Barnsley, his win % wasn't the highest but there are a fair few draws in there and he did get them promoted to the Championship and then finish 9th in there, which for Barnsley is a couple of good seasons. Mostly they're expected to struggle at this level. You could say a promotion to the Championship and a 9th placed finish by the age of 41 is well ahead of what Wilder was achieving at that age.

He did well enough to be poached by Leeds.

At Leeds he was given just 16 games and not a single transfer window but did introduce some younger players. I don't see how that is any period to judge a guy. It's even less than Jokanovic.

At Hibs, he won more than he lost and was there less than a year, in a period ravaged by injuries. Some of the Hibs guys are sympathetic, saying Doidge's poor finishing cost them a lot.

He also did slightly better in terms of points per game than Wilder last season.

So he has a foundation. Let's see if he can kick on.
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Couple of Leeds fans at work say he could have been given more time, they say he had the players at a better tempo and introduced a lot of the good young players
 



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