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And just out of interest, do they? Asking for a friend.They recognised your voice from when you called asking if they sold used but unsniffed ladies bicycle seats.......
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And just out of interest, do they? Asking for a friend.They recognised your voice from when you called asking if they sold used but unsniffed ladies bicycle seats.......
I excluded Moose due to that purple patch. He possibly justified his fee over those few games with the points gained. We should have cashed in last season realisticallyI think it's wrong to give the others the benefit of the doubt.
They didn't come good when they needed them to & now we're relegated.
Oli McBurnie in particular has been a huge let down. He shows once every 5 or 6 games that he can be decent at the level, then he regresses into a non-entity. £20m we paid, & I don't think he's scored any more than a handful of goals.
Mousset? I don't even know where to begin on that one.
Although, at least he did have a purple patch. However brief. And that purple patch directly contributed to a decent points return. What's happened either side of that...
I excluded Moose due to that purple patch. He possibly justified his fee over those few games with the points gained. We should have cashed in last season realistically
This is worth re-quoting:
I don't know the inner workings of SUFC but the above seems to ring true with what we know.
For those who aren't interested in doing anything other than heap every ounce of failure of the signings on Wilder regardless, consider this - I'll give you a tenner and send you in to Harrod's, if you don't come out with a canteen of silver plated cutlery from Carr's, is that your fault or mine? If your answer is "Wilder was given a small fortune" then you don't know how much Harrod's charges for its cutlery. If your answer is "the streets of France are paved with cheap but extremely fine quality cutlery" then you need a dose of realism and fast.
People need to start applying some balance to the signings situation, Wilder is not blameless, but nor is he exclusively at fault. Some of the expectation of what he was supposed to have done is beyond ridiculous.
This was always the case. They even announced it last season before covid hit.Wilder said he couldn’t / wasn’t prepared to manage under a director of football (DOF)
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) said it’s their intention not to appoint a DOF.
Wilder said that that the club weren’t sticking to its plan of keeping the current team together + adding a couple of loans for next season.
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) said it won’t sell the best players (unless it’s a hard to refuse offer)
Wilder said that the owners weren’t prepared to upgrade the training facilities & had no money to repare the hole in the roof.
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) claimed they will be upgrading said training facility.
Someone not telling the truth
I knew someone would get there in the endWilder said he couldn’t / wasn’t prepared to manage under a director of football (DOF)
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) said it’s their intention not to appoint a DOF.
Wilder said that that the club weren’t sticking to its plan of keeping the current team together + adding a couple of loans for next season.
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) said it won’t sell the best players (unless it’s a hard to refuse offer)
Wilder said that the owners weren’t prepared to upgrade the training facilities & had no money to repare the hole in the roof.
In the last 24 hours the club have (reportedly) claimed they will be upgrading said training facility.
Someone not telling the truth
Ok what’s it all about, even more confusing
Guess we’ll never know as 1 party is now subject to a NDA.So who’s telling lies then?
This is worth re-quoting:
Why is it worth requoting? Didn't see the original post, but what makes it any more reliable than me explaining that ACTUALLY all transfers are decided by sticking pictures of all potential transfer targets onto the backs of ferrets then racing them around the Platinum Suite to decide who to buy?
Fuck me, the proof won’t be in the cunting pudding, it’ll be in the bastard eating of it.It's like a 321 clue.
Pudding, oh fuck it's Gregg Wallace..............
Ok what’s it all about, even more confusing
There are reasonably good footballers that are priced at a mid-range for the PL. The good footballers get bought by the top half clubs. If you find one at a reasonable price and keep him for a couple of years, you've done well.Ok
So there's no such thing as a good footballer that is reasonably priced.
Except we know there is
Many clubs find them
One doesn't
Believe that if you want. Or believe that Wilder had complete control over signings, the board don't have a say, they just gave him a budget and said, "We'll sign off on whoever you can get for the money".Why is it worth requoting? Didn't see the original post, but what makes it any more reliable than me explaining that ACTUALLY all transfers are decided by sticking pictures of all potential transfer targets onto the backs of ferrets then racing them around the Platinum Suite to decide who to buy?
Wilder has found loads of players cheap and found a tune out of them. Overall he's in credit. The players He's Signed or resurected is endlessOk
So there's no such thing as a good footballer that is reasonably priced.
Except we know there is
Many clubs find them
One doesn't
There are reasonably good footballers that are priced at a mid-range for the PL. The good footballers get bought by the top half clubs. If you find one at a reasonable price and keep him for a couple of years, you've done well.
The other clubs are fishing in the pond that has the reasonably good players who are good enough to avoid relegation. Unfortunately they all believe they are superstars going to play in the PL and want high wages, but that's how it is.
We were fishing in that pond but whenever we hooked a player, another club came and took him off us, so what we were looking for were reasonably good players who were good enough to avoid relegation that no one else wanted. They are around, clubs do find them, but they are hard to find and you often don't know until he's signed and played a few games.
I don't think we are completely alone in that scenario, but our wage policy seems to have been a major handicap. I think it was a mistake by the club overall, I'm not sure who decided on the policy, and I understand that we're not rolling in cash, but my point is that that is the situation we found ourselves in and it meant it was always going to be difficult to strengthen. We needed the core of the team to carry on performing above their level whilst we slowly found players that were good enough and could fit in.
However, this is all too complicated and nuanced, in fact I'm sure that what I've said is way too simplified, so people would rather just blame Wilder for crap signings and be glad he's buggered off.
This was always the case. They even announced it last season before covid hit.
Wilder's rubbish premiership signings:
Max Lowe
Oliver Burke
Ravel Morrison
Jack Rodwell
Jack Robinson
Callum Robinson
Panagiotis Retsos
Richairo Zivkovic
I'll give McBurnie, Brewster, Ramsdale, Freeman and Moose the benefit of the doubt they could come good.
Wilder was a great wheeler dealer in the lower leagues and still an extremely good coach/ man manager but he was terrible with money to spend. Then just blamed the board when everything went wrong on the pitch, we created absolutely nothing this season.
They exist but you still have to be able to afford them. My analogy with Harrod's was to point out that if you don't have the money for them, it's not the fault of the person you've sent in to buy them if he comes back empty handed. We were fishing in the lesser of the PL quality ponds but even so were always going to be out-bid if someone else wanted him. We don't have an extensive scouting network either - blame who you want for that - but even if we did, everybody knows that when a PL club comes sniffing, the price rockets, pound signs appear in the player's eyes and agents try and start a bidding war.What I mean is the players that Wilder was allegedly complaining about missing out on have all come from Championship clubs.
Add to that Maupay last season
These players do exist, even Championship clubs find them
Harsh on Lowe.Wilder's rubbish premiership signings:
Max Lowe
Oliver Burke
Ravel Morrison
Jack Rodwell
Jack Robinson
Callum Robinson
Panagiotis Retsos
Richairo Zivkovic
I'll give McBurnie, Brewster, Ramsdale, Freeman and Moose the benefit of the doubt they could come good.
Wilder was a great wheeler dealer in the lower leagues and still an extremely good coach/ man manager but he was terrible with money to spend. Then just blamed the board when everything went wrong on the pitch, we created absolutely nothing this season.
The other option would have been to change the style of football to something more akin to Burnley. More direct where you sign the unfashionable head it and kick it type defenders instead of trying to play out from the back. You look at Brighton, who’ve spent a fair amount and whilst they play attractive football, they’re still in a relegation battle. We kind of ended up doing that once teams started to press us properly from the front but we don’t really have the players to make it work.There are reasonably good footballers that are priced at a mid-range for the PL. The good footballers get bought by the top half clubs. If you find one at a reasonable price and keep him for a couple of years, you've done well.
The other clubs are fishing in the pond that has the reasonably good players who are good enough to avoid relegation. Unfortunately they all believe they are superstars going to play in the PL and want high wages, but that's how it is.
We were fishing in that pond but whenever we hooked a player, another club came and took him off us, so what we were looking for were reasonably good players who were good enough to avoid relegation that no one else wanted. They are around, clubs do find them, but they are hard to find and you often don't know until he's signed and played a few games.
I don't think we are completely alone in that scenario, but our wage policy seems to have been a major handicap. I think it was a mistake by the club overall, I'm not sure who decided on the policy, and I understand that we're not rolling in cash, but my point is that that is the situation we found ourselves in and it meant it was always going to be difficult to strengthen. We needed the core of the team to carry on performing above their level whilst we slowly found players that were good enough and could fit in.
However, this is all too complicated and nuanced, in fact I'm sure that what I've said is way too simplified, so people would rather just blame Wilder for crap signings and be glad he's buggered off.
Guess we’ll never know as 1 party is now subject to a NDA.
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