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I've jumped on people several times when they say spend £Xm on new players with no appreciation of the much larger wage committments that come with trophy signings.

I think most on here would agree that DirtyLeeds are a bigger club than us and they certainly have a wider pull and earn greater commercial income. Despite that, their wage bill cripples them.

Well here is a potted summary of their results:
https://www.insidermedia.com/inside...ire_news_tracker&utm_medium=top_story_article

The latest accounts for Leeds United Football Club Ltd show a pre-tax profit of £976,367 for the year ending 30 June 2017, compared to a loss of £8.9m in 2015/16.

The profits generated from player trading grew by £6.1m to £8.9m during the year, boosted by the sale of Lewis Cook to AFC Bournemouth in July 2016. Transfer spending totalled £6.8m.


Despite a profit of £9m on player sales (far more than the Maguire and Walker sell ons), they still only made £1m! The elephant in the room is player wages.

Let that sink in. A club with higher gate receipts than us and much larger commercial income, would have made an £8m loss if they hadn't been subsidised by a transfer profit.

The club said turnover was boosted by growing attendances, with the average increasing to 27,698 from 22,448 the previous season. Distributions from the English Football League also grew by £2m.

Retail income grew £5.8m thanks to the launch of the club's technical partnership with Kappa.

The club said it had also achieved a "significant uplift to its sponsorship revenue", with online gaming brand 32Red signing on as the main sponsor and Clipper Logistics becoming secondary shirt sponsor.


So even with growing revenues they are still essentially a loss making basket case. They have few big 'stars' (Cook and Woods have gone) and yet they lose money big time.

The economics of Championship football are bonkers. Just have a think about if before telling McCabe to spend money (that he patently hasn't got).

However, a £14.5m cash injection from new owner Andrea Radrizzani was required to "maintain operations and improve on-field competitiveness".

They are nowhere near the playoffs and are blowing money like it is going out of fashion. Whilever there is a queue of foreign owners with more money than sense, then the merry go round will keep going but beware! One day this whole crock of shit will go tits up, so let's hope we aren't the ones that get covered in it.
 

The issue here is gambling.

There are 24 clubs in the Championship and let’s say 12 of them are consciously overspending and gambling on promotion.
Of those 12 clubs only 3 can gain promotion, meaning 9 are being run at an unsustainable level.

The response from most fans up and down the country seem to be
‘Those clubs are gambling so why don’t we gamble too”

But thats similiar to saying “those clubs are being run badly, so why don’t we get run badly and risk being saddled with massive debts”.
It’s as though the Chairman’s money is Monopoly money and it doesn’t matter if they lose £30 million.

Of course realistically clubs need to strike a fine balance between being ambitious and taking measured risks
compared to taking careless risks. The measured risks take into account how the club are performing now and what’s the minimum amount needed to take the next step. Next season I suspect out target will be play-offs and it’s clear we need better strikers.
 
The flip side is the three clubs that go up this season will all likely have lost money and required significant support from owners.
As a result they'll receive £200m or so from being in the Premier League.
 
I've jumped on people several times when they say spend £Xm on new players with no appreciation of the much larger wage committments that come with trophy signings.

I think most on here would agree that DirtyLeeds are a bigger club than us and they certainly have a wider pull and earn greater commercial income. Despite that, their wage bill cripples them.

Well here is a potted summary of their results:
https://www.insidermedia.com/inside...ire_news_tracker&utm_medium=top_story_article

The latest accounts for Leeds United Football Club Ltd show a pre-tax profit of £976,367 for the year ending 30 June 2017, compared to a loss of £8.9m in 2015/16.

The profits generated from player trading grew by £6.1m to £8.9m during the year, boosted by the sale of Lewis Cook to AFC Bournemouth in July 2016. Transfer spending totalled £6.8m.


Despite a profit of £9m on player sales (far more than the Maguire and Walker sell ons), they still only made £1m! The elephant in the room is player wages.

Let that sink in. A club with higher gate receipts than us and much larger commercial income, would have made an £8m loss if they hadn't been subsidised by a transfer profit.

The club said turnover was boosted by growing attendances, with the average increasing to 27,698 from 22,448 the previous season. Distributions from the English Football League also grew by £2m.

Retail income grew £5.8m thanks to the launch of the club's technical partnership with Kappa.

The club said it had also achieved a "significant uplift to its sponsorship revenue", with online gaming brand 32Red signing on as the main sponsor and Clipper Logistics becoming secondary shirt sponsor.


So even with growing revenues they are still essentially a loss making basket case. They have few big 'stars' (Cook and Woods have gone) and yet they lose money big time.

The economics of Championship football are bonkers. Just have a think about if before telling McCabe to spend money (that he patently hasn't got).

However, a £14.5m cash injection from new owner Andrea Radrizzani was required to "maintain operations and improve on-field competitiveness".

They are nowhere near the playoffs and are blowing money like it is going out of fashion. Whilever there is a queue of foreign owners with more money than sense, then the merry go round will keep going but beware! One day this whole crock of shit will go tits up, so let's hope we aren't the ones that get covered in it.
A very good post sir.

UTB
 
A very good post sir.

Thanks.

I'm sure of my usual protagonists will jump on this as being 'McCabe justification', but the DirtyLeeds results really did make me sit up and take notice.

As Sheffsteel says above, the whole division is like a casino. We can't all win so the issue then becomes about what happens when you 'lose'.

Of course we want to 'do a Huddersfield' while we all hope HMS Tuna goes down with all hands aboard.
 
I've jumped on people several times when they say spend £Xm on new players with no appreciation of the much larger wage committments that come with trophy signings.

I think most on here would agree that DirtyLeeds are a bigger club than us and they certainly have a wider pull and earn greater commercial income. Despite that, their wage bill cripples them.

Well here is a potted summary of their results:
https://www.insidermedia.com/inside...ire_news_tracker&utm_medium=top_story_article

The latest accounts for Leeds United Football Club Ltd show a pre-tax profit of £976,367 for the year ending 30 June 2017, compared to a loss of £8.9m in 2015/16.

The profits generated from player trading grew by £6.1m to £8.9m during the year, boosted by the sale of Lewis Cook to AFC Bournemouth in July 2016. Transfer spending totalled £6.8m.


Despite a profit of £9m on player sales (far more than the Maguire and Walker sell ons), they still only made £1m! The elephant in the room is player wages.

Let that sink in. A club with higher gate receipts than us and much larger commercial income, would have made an £8m loss if they hadn't been subsidised by a transfer profit.

The club said turnover was boosted by growing attendances, with the average increasing to 27,698 from 22,448 the previous season. Distributions from the English Football League also grew by £2m.

Retail income grew £5.8m thanks to the launch of the club's technical partnership with Kappa.

The club said it had also achieved a "significant uplift to its sponsorship revenue", with online gaming brand 32Red signing on as the main sponsor and Clipper Logistics becoming secondary shirt sponsor.


So even with growing revenues they are still essentially a loss making basket case. They have few big 'stars' (Cook and Woods have gone) and yet they lose money big time.

The economics of Championship football are bonkers. Just have a think about if before telling McCabe to spend money (that he patently hasn't got).

However, a £14.5m cash injection from new owner Andrea Radrizzani was required to "maintain operations and improve on-field competitiveness".

They are nowhere near the playoffs and are blowing money like it is going out of fashion. Whilever there is a queue of foreign owners with more money than sense, then the merry go round will keep going but beware! One day this whole crock of shit will go tits up, so let's hope we aren't the ones that get covered in it.


Wat choo talkin' 'bout Willis?

Everybody knows our owners make money despite what the accounts say.

Money trees don't grow on trees you know.....
 
Next season our target will be to avoid relegation, which was our target this season.
We've got an older squad and it's fair to say Duffy, Sharp, Clarke, Stearman, Donaldson will all either leave or decline against their excellent production (at least in terms of £££ spent). We've got nothing from Ched Evans, Ryan Leonard or Ricky Holmes and potentially they could be a sunk cost (not definitely but we have no evidence they can step up yet). I have no idea if Coutts will ever be the same player. Nobody does - it was another traumatic injury for him. We definitely need at least 1 goalkeeper and we all agree CF is a priority.

That potentially leaves between 9 and 12 squad places where we could be worse next year or require a replacement. You have to hope for improvements in other players but I think the only players who have room for a massive jump are Stevens and Lundstram (Brooks is the obvious outlier - if he reaches his potential he could carry the whole squad). I don't know a lot about the academy players but none seem to be likely to be regular 1st teamers next year?

May seen overly negative but I genuinely think we need 5 starter quality players in the summer who are at least as good as the level of performance we've had this year. You may be talking £8m+ for that. Seems unlikely.

No investment? I'd bite your hand off at 60-70 points next year
 
Next season our target will be to avoid relegation, which was our target this season.

Not sure I'd be that negative but I agree in principle.

This season expectations were generally fairly low. Next season you just know they will be generally too high.

Who is being negative?

He means we'll be trying to avoid relegation from the Prem :D ;)
 
Our only sustainable model is to sell to survive
So we have to produce an academy player or a first team player to be sold on for enough money to cover the wage bill
It's not really progressive though is it ?
 
Unless you can generate revenues of the levels of Arsenal, Spurs, Man U, Chelsea, you lose money. If you want to dominate world football you lose money no matter what you generate financially.

That’s the long and short of it.
Spurs made millions last season....won naff all. They made big profits on player sales, and will probably have to sell Kane this summer.
 

There’s certainly gonna be a few more in the shit in the balance sheet & players on silly wages/ long contracts that are nowhere near the top end of the table when parachute payments finish & impatient/ bored for foreign investors decide they’d like a to do a different ‘project’.

Look at the likes of Sunderland ( looking pods at potential administration Birmingham, Norwich , Norwich , Reading & the Oinks all spent big & two of them in deep do-do .

At the top end Wolves , Villa , Boro , Fulham ,Derby all paying out big and only 3 teams gonna get the Premier League lotto payout.

Yes you have to invest to improve but with sustainability & within your means .. as we all know been we’ve been down the shit or bust path and bust before.
 
There’s certainly gonna be a few more in the shit in the balance sheet & players on silly wages/ long contracts that are nowhere near the top end of the table when parachute payments finish & impatient/ bored for foreign investors decide they’d like a to do a different ‘project’.

Look at the likes of Sunderland ( looking pods at potential administration Birmingham, Norwich , Norwich , Reading & the Oinks all spent big & two of them in deep do-do .

At the top end Wolves , Villa , Boro , Fulham ,Derby all paying out big and only 3 teams gonna get the Premier League lotto payout.

Yes you have to invest to improve but with sustainability & within your means .. as we all know been we’ve been down the shit or bust path and bust before.

I fuckin hope so, I really do
 
The issue here is gambling.

There are 24 clubs in the Championship and let’s say 12 of them are consciously overspending and gambling on promotion.
Of those 12 clubs only 3 can gain promotion, meaning 9 are being run at an unsustainable level.

The response from most fans up and down the country seem to be
‘Those clubs are gambling so why don’t we gamble too”

But thats similiar to saying “those clubs are being run badly, so why don’t we get run badly and risk being saddled with massive debts”.
It’s as though the Chairman’s money is Monopoly money and it doesn’t matter if they lose £30 million.

Of course realistically clubs need to strike a fine balance between being ambitious and taking measured risks
compared to taking careless risks. The measured risks take into account how the club are performing now and what’s the minimum amount needed to take the next step. Next season I suspect out target will be play-offs and it’s clear we need better strikers.
The thing about gambling is its okay as long as you can afford to lose what you gamble.
 

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