Villa in the FA Cup

[Hartley Hare]

Just looking at the draw and absorbing the prospect of a trip to Villa Park in the new year.

I noticed that Birmingham and West Brom. also have home draws. Do they allow all the Birmingham teams to be at home at the same time?

Just a thought.

HH

 

[highpeakblade]

I think Brum and Villa play alternate like we do so yes one of the fixtures will have to change. Don't think they bother with West Brom though. So yeah potentially a changed kick off depending on who has to change.

 

[JohnDenver]

Cheers for the heads-up. I was pondering the chances of a TV rescheduling before committing to transport and wotnot.

 

[Selly]

I think Brum and Villa play alternate like we do so yes one of the fixtures will have to change. Don't think they bother with West Brom though. So yeah potentially a changed kick off depending on who has to change.

Spot on.

Interestingly (or not), the closest ground to Villa's, is actually the Hawthornes, but they do alternate with Birmingham rather than WBA.

Definitely wait for the KO time to be confirmed. One of them will move, just hopefully not to the Friday night...

FA cup ruls mean we'll be allowed 6000 tickets, anyone think we will sell that many?

 

[grafikhaus]

FA cup rules mean we'll be allowed 6000 tickets, anyone think we will sell that many?

Not unless the club are imaginative with coach/ticket prices.

Like last-minute, decisive goals, I simply cannot remember a true 'giant killing' act from the Blades. Norwich away in the late 80s was close, but no cigar.

I stand to be corrected (BUT, there must be at least 2 divisions between the teams for it to count as 'giant killing'!)

 

[Linz]

FA cup rules mean we'll be allowed 6000 tickets, anyone think we will sell that many?

Dunno... people seemed fairly giddy on Twitter but I'm assuming they didn't get to Villa Park in 2007 when we lost 3-0.

In fact, a quick squizz at Soccerbase suggests we haven't won there since 1966.

Bodes well dunnit?

 

[bricktop]

Yeah i think that we will. If it is a saturday afternoon game and we play well over christmas. It has been a while since we have been away to a top side

 

[Revolution]

Not unless the club are imaginative with coach/ticket prices.

Like last-minute, decisive goals, I simply cannot remember a true 'giant killing' act from the Blades. Norwich away in the late 80s was close, but no cigar.

I stand to be corrected (BUT, there must be at least 2 divisions between the teams for it to count as 'giant killing'!)

We knocked Newcastle out of the league cup in 1988-9 when we were in the 3rd division and they were in the 1st.

I think that's the only time we've knocked out a team 2 divisions or more higher than us. We beat Arsenal in the league cup in our 4th division season as well, but of course they won the 2nd leg.

When we won at Bolton in 2007-8 it was the first time we'd beaten a team in a higher division in a cup away game in about 50 years.

As I said in the Shoutbox yesterday, Villa Park is the only place where we have gone more than 10 games without victory in all competitions (though I think Highbury/Emirates has equalled it since I last checked this). The olny place where we had a worse record is Bristol Rovers' various grounds, and we buried that hoodoo last year.

 

[Darren]

We knocked Newcastle out of the league cup in 1988-9 when we were in the 3rd division and they were in the 1st.

I think that's the only time we've knocked out a team 2 divisions or more higher than us. We beat Arsenal in the league cup in our 4th division season as well, but of course they won the 2nd leg.

When we won at Bolton in 2007-8 it was the first time we'd beaten a team in a higher division in a cup away game in about 50 years.

As I said in the Shoutbox yesterday, Villa Park is the only place where we have gone more than 10 games without victory in all competitions (though I think Highbury/Emirates has equalled it since I last checked this). The olny place where we had a worse record is Bristol Rovers' various grounds, and we buried that hoodoo last year.

We last won at Arsenal in August 71 and have now gone 15 or 16 games in all competitions there without a win (depending on if you count the void cup game in 1999). We have had 11 visits to Villa Park in all competitions since we last won there in 1966.

 

[JohnDenver]

Bodes well dunnit?

I'm more concerned about the fact we're shit.

 

[Darren]

Here's a run down of how long it is since we won at various clubs in all compeititions. It includes all clubs we have played who have been in the league since the early 70's. League, FA Cup and League Cup only.

0
Bristol City
Bristol Rovers
Cambridge
Chester
Macclesfield
Hartlepool
Workington
Derby
Chesterfield
Plymouth
Bournemouth
Darlington
Brighton
Colchester
Millwall
Wimbledon
Stockport
Bury
Wigan
Rochdale
Oldham
Soutampton
Grimsby
Gillingham
Preston
Tranmere
Northampton
York
Mansfield
Oxford
Stoke
Port Vale
Crawley
Huddersfield
Halifax
Newport
Wrexham

1
Reading
Crewe
Carlisle
Exeter
QPR
Charlton
Orient
Bolton
Blackpool
Notts County
Shrewsbury
Yeovil
Ipswich
Newcastle
Bradford

2
Luton
MK Dons
Southend
Chelsea
West Ham
Brentford
Hull
Burnley
Leicester
Lincoln
Liverpool
Everton
Forest
Barnsley
WBA
Walsall
Leeds
Cardiff

3
Peterborough
Tottenham
Portsmouth
Rotherham
Doncaster
Birmingham

4
Middlesbrough
Fulham
Palace
Wednesday
Coventry

5
Norwich
Wolves

6
Man Utd

7
Scunthorpe
Swindon
Swansea

8
Blackburn
Sunderland

9
Man City

11
Villa

15/16
Arsenal

And teams we have never won at and number of games played there...

Wycombe 1
Torquay 1
Boston 1
Rushden 1
Hereford 2
Aldershot 3
Stevenage 3

 

[2ndtenorblade]

What are the details of the '66 win at Villa Park? I can't remember ever seeing us win there, but wondered if I was at this game. I was there in the 70's when they were 2nd division and we were 1st, we lost of course.

 

[Linz]

What are the details of the '66 win at Villa Park? I can't remember ever seeing us win there, but wondered if I was at this game. I was there in the 70's when they were 2nd division and we were 1st, we lost of course.

Saturday 29th January and we won 2-0 according to Soccerbase. No Bible on me to tell you any more details but I'm sure Dazzer will be along soon...

 

[Darren]

Saturday 29th January and we won 2-0 according to Soccerbase. No Bible on me to tell you any more details but I'm sure Dazzer will be along soon...

Gil Reece got both our goals...

 

[2ndtenorblade]

Saturday 29th January and we won 2-0 according to Soccerbase. No Bible on me to tell you any more details but I'm sure Dazzer will be along soon...

Thanks (Linz and Dazzler), does not jog any memories, maybe I was not there.

 

[Darren]

And to show off a bit more, the dates of our last wins

Bristol City - 23/11/13
Bristol Rovers - 3/11/12
Cambridge - 8/12/13
Chester - 19/4/89
Macclesfield - 12/8/03
Hartlepool - 2/10/12
Workington 6/9/72
Derby 11/9/10
Chesterfield 26/11/11
Plymouth 5/12/09
Bournemouth 23/2/13
Darlington - 20/8/01
Brighton - 13/9/05
Colchester 9/11/13
Millwall 13/11/10
Wimbledon 30/9/03
Stockport - 18/9/01
Bury 12/2/13
Wigan 16/12/06
Rochdale 10/4/12
Oldham 2/3/13
Soutampton 3/2/09
Grimsby 4/3/03
Gillingham 19/10/04
Preston 20/10/12
Tranmere 1/4/13
Northampton 25/9/90
York 3/10/81
Mansfield 4/4/89
Oxford 5/1/13
Stoke 10/11/07
Port Vale 111/3/00
Crawley 22/12/12
Huddersfield 14/2/12
Halifax 12/4/82
Newport 17/12/83
Wrexham 21/9/04
1
Reading 25/4/11
Crewe 29/8/05
Carlisle 8/12/12
Exeter 10/3/84
QPR 12/1/10
Charlton 22/11/08
Orient 6/10/12
Bolton 5/1/08
Blackpool 23/8/08
Notts County 20/3/12
Shrewsbury 9/2/13
Yeovil 22/9/12
Ipswich 2/5/10
Newcastle 4/11/06
Bradford 27/9/03
2
Luton 3/12/94
MK Dons 28/8/07
Southend 18/2/95
Chelsea 31/10/92
West Ham 3/1/05
Brentford 10/3/12
Hull 3/1/06
Burnley 12/4/08
Leicester 23/10/07
Lincoln 3/9/83
Liverpool 2/4/94
Everton 4/5/93
Forest 9/12/08
Barnsley 8/11/08
WBA 14/10/03
Walsall 24/4/04
Leeds 5/4/05
Cardiff 22/3/09
3
Peterborough 21/4/82
Tottenham 23/11/91
Portsmouth 13/1/03
Rotherham 28/2/03
Doncaster 30/9/08
Birmingham 26/12/99
4
Middlesbrough 5/10/97
Fulham 17/9/85
Palace 5/11/05
Wednesday 18/2/06
Coventry 4/3/09
5
Norwich 7/9/02
Wolves 19/10/02
Swindon 27/12/94 (observant people will notice this is a correction )
6
Man Utd 26/12/73
7
Swansea 15/11/58
8
Blackburn 8/11/86
Sunderland 9/3/91
9
Man City 10/10/87
Scunthorpe 28/3/59 (this is also a correction)
11
Villa 29/1/66
15/16
Arsenal 24/8/71

So the longest time we have to go back for an away victory is Swansea in 1958 - anyone see that

 

[Darren]

Perhaps the most amazing fact is that in our last 9 visits to Scunthorpe we have failed to win. Though some might count the 3-2 (AET) Associate Members Cup win there on 20/3/84 as breaking that run.

 

[brownie4583]

We are expected to get stuffed at Villa so we have nothing to lose,you never know,it's a funny old game!

 

[Hartley Hare]

You need to get out a bit more Darren. That or take up kniting.

 

[Trigger Blade]

I think I'm right in saying that I have a 100% attendance record at Villa Park for games against thm in the FA Cup.

Just the one, actually, 1975, when we were doing well in the 1st Division and they were in the 2nd and we got stuffed 4-1.

I'm definitely right in saying that by the 2nd week of January, I'll be down to a 50% attendance record

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Yeah i think that we will. If it is a saturday afternoon game and we play well over christmas. It has been a while since we have been away to a top side

We played Everton at Goodison Park two years ago in the League Cup. We lost 3-1.

 

[Bladesman]

We wont win this tie but hopefully we can put up a fight though.

 

[2ndtenorblade]

I think I'm right in saying that I have a 100% attendance record at Villa Park for games against thm in the FA Cup.

Just the one, actually, 1975, when we were doing well in the 1st Division and they were in the 2nd and we got stuffed 4-1.

I'm definitely right in saying that by the 2nd week of January, I'll be down to a 50% attendance record

Did not realise it is our only FA cup visit, I will maintaining my 100% attendance record.

Anybody got the match details? I think Villa got promoted that season and have been in the top division ever since.

 

[ghandi]

Yes I remember that Trig I was there and I think that defeat ended a long unbeaten run.

 

[Suttonblade]

I for one am quite happy with the draw, better than getting drawn away at some league 1 or 2 club and going out to a side we should have beat. There are no expectations on us to get a result there so lets see what we can do and have a go!!!

And if we do go out, as expected, then we have no shame and a bit of money for it.

Bring it on I say

 

[Foxy]

We have had 11 visits to Villa Park in all competitions since we last won there in 1966.

I've decided I'm bending the rules and including the FA Youth Cup, just to cheer myself up.

So the last time I saw us play at Villa Park (2011) we won, 1-0, with Joe Ironside bagging the only goal of the game.

 

[Grecian2000]

Anybody got the match details? I think Villa got promoted that season and have been in the top division ever since.

We were absolutely battered. We were pretty dreadful in the Cup around this time and an actual progression to the 4th Round meant we took thousands and the massive open away end was the fullest I ever saw it as they were in a lower division and we thought we'd be heading for R5.
It was bedlam, with the last 10 minutes (I'm pretty sure we were 4 down) being played out with mass brawls taking place on our end as the Villa fans had made it round from the Holte end. Remember people actually rolling around the steps/banking as we pulled 1 back. It was so bad I didn't actually see our goal!

Suspect it will nothing like that this time off the park but the score might be similar.

 

[grafikhaus]

We were absolutely battered. We were pretty dreadful in the Cup around this time and an actual progression to the 4th Round meant we took thousands and the massive open away end was the fullest I ever saw it as they were in a lower division and we thought we'd be heading for R5.
It was bedlam, with the last 10 minutes (I'm pretty sure we were 4 down) being played out with mass brawls taking place on our end as the Villa fans had made it round from the Holte end. Remember people actually rolling around the steps/banking as we pulled 1 back. It was so bad I didn't actually see our goal!

Suspect it will nothing like that this time off the park but the score might be similar.

I was an innocent yoot and went to the game with red & white hat & jumper. Before the game, a bunch of (huge) Villa fans came round the corner and one launched a massive gob (spit) straight in my face. Nice.

 

[gavtheblade]

And to show off a bit more, the dates of our last wins

Bristol City - 23/11/13
Bristol Rovers - 3/11/12
Cambridge - 8/12/13
Chester - 19/4/89
Macclesfield - 12/8/03
Hartlepool - 2/10/12
Workington 6/9/72
Derby 11/9/10
Chesterfield 26/11/11
Plymouth 5/12/09
Bournemouth 23/2/13
Darlington - 20/8/01
Brighton - 13/9/05
Colchester 9/11/13
Millwall 13/11/10
Wimbledon 30/9/03
Stockport - 18/9/01
Bury 12/2/13
Wigan 16/12/06
Rochdale 10/4/12
Oldham 2/3/13
Soutampton 3/2/09
Grimsby 4/3/03
Gillingham 19/10/04
Preston 20/10/12
Tranmere 1/4/13
Northampton 25/9/90
York 3/10/81
Mansfield 4/4/89
Oxford 5/1/13
Stoke 10/11/07
Port Vale 111/3/00
Crawley 22/12/12
Huddersfield 14/2/12
Halifax 12/4/82
Newport 17/12/83
Wrexham 21/9/04
1
Reading 25/4/11
Crewe 29/8/05
Carlisle 8/12/12
Exeter 10/3/84
QPR 12/1/10
Charlton 22/11/08
Orient 6/10/12
Bolton 5/1/08
Blackpool 23/8/08
Notts County 20/3/12
Shrewsbury 9/2/13
Yeovil 22/9/12
Ipswich 2/5/10
Newcastle 4/11/06
Bradford 27/9/03
2
Luton 3/12/94
MK Dons 28/8/07
Southend 18/2/95
Chelsea 31/10/92
West Ham 3/1/05
Brentford 10/3/12
Hull 3/1/06
Burnley 12/4/08
Leicester 23/10/07
Lincoln 3/9/83
Liverpool 2/4/94
Everton 4/5/93
Forest 9/12/08
Barnsley 8/11/08
WBA 14/10/03
Walsall 24/4/04
Leeds 5/4/05
Cardiff 22/3/09
3
Peterborough 21/4/82
Tottenham 23/11/91
Portsmouth 13/1/03
Rotherham 28/2/03
Doncaster 30/9/08
Birmingham 26/12/99
4
Middlesbrough 5/10/97
Fulham 17/9/85
Palace 5/11/05
Wednesday 18/2/06
Coventry 4/3/09
5
Norwich 7/9/02
Wolves 19/10/02
Swindon 27/12/94 (observant people will notice this is a correction )
6
Man Utd 26/12/73
7
Swansea 15/11/58
8
Blackburn 8/11/86
Sunderland 9/3/91
9
Man City 10/10/87
Scunthorpe 28/3/59 (this is also a correction)
11
Villa 29/1/66
15/16
Arsenal 24/8/71

So the longest time we have to go back for an away victory is Swansea in 1958 - anyone see that

observant people will also remember of the swindon away fixture-we played 2 games in 2 days,but canny remember the boxingday fixture the day before?

 

[highpeakblade]

Cloughy made it no secret that he tried very hard to, thought he came close to, but failed to sign a striker before the recent loan deadline closed and he says that it will be re-addressed in January now.

Therefore.......Do you think the recruitment process will have started nice and early or do you think he has his target lined up and will dart in for him as soon as the window opens?? If so we might well have a debutee up front for the Villa game, potentially anyway.