View From Wilder

[super_pig]

Ha ha i was mocking the hysteria of some Blades last night. A game like that you have to take on face value. As you say, if it becomes a regular thing then fair enough, but it was a one goal deficit in a game we tried to win.

thought so but you missed the emoticon

 

[SwissBlade]

thought so but you missed the emoticon

I couldn't be arsed

 

[Sothall_Blade]

CCV was having a shocker and Duffy wasn't feeling it either, so despite throwing up an unusual formation, the two least effective players were rightly withdrawn. I thought that Brooks and Carruthers opened things up more.

You can look at the fact the game was finely poised, but we were always going to be pressing in numbers and we were always going to be getting caught on the break by a side that finished well.

Question is, what different changes would you have made?

I would have made the usual Brooks for Duffy change on 60 minutes.
Kept the same formation and given that chance to make the breakthrough as it has done before.
Depending how that went, I would probably have put Carruthers on for Lundstram after 75. Again a more attack-minded option but without any square pegs in round holes.
Then maybe throw the kitchen sink at them for the last 10 minutes with Hansen for Wright and four at the back but still in their usual positions.
To be fair, these are the usual types of substitutions that Chris makes when we’re chasing a game so it seemed odd that he went a different route for this game and it didn’t work.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

For me his comment " I believe our supporters would rather lose in the manner we did than what's happened in the past" speaks absolute volumes. The amount of turgid shite we experienced under Adkins and Clough (w/e of the Cup games) pales in comparison to a 5-4 loss at home to which were a Premiership team only 2 seasons ago. Not quite sure if the fans would agree watching the questionable defending, however, what a game!!

 

[SwissBlade]

I would have made the usual Brooks for Duffy change on 60 minutes.
Kept the same formation and given that chance to make the breakthrough as it has done before.
Depending how that went, I would probably have put Carruthers on for Lundstram after 75. Again a more attack-minded option but without any square pegs in round holes.
Then maybe throw the kitchen sink at them for the last 10 minutes with Hansen for Wright and four at the back but still in their usual positions.
To be fair, these are the usual types of substitutions that Chris makes when we’re chasing a game so it seemed odd that he went a different route for this game and it didn’t work.

I don't think there were "square pegs in round holes last night.

When Brooks and Carruthers came on they seemed to line up as 3-5-2

-------------Bash - Wright - JOC-------------

Brooks - Fleck - Carruthers - Lundstram - Stevens

----------------Sharp - Clarke----------------

and then when Hanson Came on we went:

-----------------------Bash -- JOC-----------------------

------------- Fleck - Carruthers - Lundstram - Stevens
Brooks
----------------Sharp - Hanson - Clarke----------------

The midfield could've actually been more of a diamond as Fleck was sitting deeper, but also making breaks forward

I don't think Lundstram did anything to deserve getting taken off and replacing a midfielder for a midfielder wouldn't have changed much. CCV' confidence had gone for me so it seemed sensible.

 

[SwissBlade]

For me his comment " I believe our supporters would rather lose in the manner we did than what's happened in the past" speaks absolute volumes. The amount of turgid shite we experienced under Adkins and Clough (w/e of the Cup games) pales in comparison to a 5-4 loss at home to which were a Premiership team only 2 seasons ago. Not quite sure if the fans would agree watching the questionable defending, however, what a game!!

A pig fan mate messaged me at 2-5 to take the piss
He went very quiet at 3-5... He knew we don't give up
At 4-5 and fulltime he messaged again, relieved as he really thought that we might do it.

His words were that he wished Wednesday would play with that much heart, massive compliments for United for the way we go down fighting.

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

Lots of positives to take away from last night in my opinion. Leon is absolutely unplayable at the moment & looks likely to score at least 1 in every game he plays.

The result wasn’t ideal (although what a game it was!). At the end of the day, we were beaten by the better side, but we were ultimately undone by 2 defensive errors, Bashambaur going missing at the back post & a cruel deflected shot (although granted Carruthers goal was also deflected). We also had one cleared off the line. On another day, we win this game 5-1, alas yesterday wasn’t to be that day.

I think Carruthers has staked his claim to be more involved in the 1st team & considering Wilders comments, I can see him coming in for Duffy against Birmingham.

Strangely I feel better about this defeat than I did against the win at Burton

Onwards & upwards!

UTB

 

[boo radley]

At the start of the seain we were all happy to stay up this season and consolidate. Now we’re disappointed if we lose a game after scoring 5 goals and are 3rd in the table. Me and my two boys have season tickets and my eldest was poorly today so my other lad asked his mate (a wendy) to come to the game and he was cheering for us after he realised what we are about and throughly enjoyed what was a great game of football. Why are people whinging at us losing a game. Even Chelsea lose games. We have a great team so lets stay with them. Utb

Don't let the little Wendy see this as he'll think you can't add up.

 

[DiggerBlade]

Top manager even in defeat.

Magnanimous & complimentary I thought in his interview. Accepts responsibility for his team and never shirks a question or criticism.

Fantastic manager in my book.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

First goal mistake from Carter Vickers, 2nd a slip from Vickers, 3rd poor goal. 4th and 5th I take the blame because I want us to go for it.

One of those nights. Never got close to controlling the game

We didn't shrink, we didn't play as well as we can do first half. Not at the same tempo and gave the ball away cheaply

Always thought there was something in the game. At the end the best footballing side in the division were booting it anywhere clinging on for dear life

In the past teams used to come here and say “Get through the first 10 minutes we will absolutely cruise the game” but when teams win here now they have to go through everything to get a result and the Fulham players are knackered tonight sat on the bus as were the Norwich players

The antics that go on (regarding the time-wasting and feigning injury) frustrates the life out of me. Their physio must sleep well tonight because he's been up and down

Fans gave us great backing

Leon was first class. Disappointing to lose the game by conceding 5 goals but we always look like scoring. The last 2 goals were my fault as we were playing 2 at the back. I believe our supporters would rather lose in the manner we did than what's happened in the past

Duffy lacked energy. A few off performances from 3 or 4. Thought Fleck was outstanding and O'Connell drive the game forward. Can't blame Blackman for any goal and obviously there's Leon

We didn't have the movement and quickness of tempo as we usually do. If we play a bit side to side then teams will sit in and hit us on the break

Thought Lundstram did ok. Passed the ball well and competed. He can be pleased with his performances and will get better when he gets into a rhythm

Expectaions levels go up because of the manner of our performances. I understand this league and if you give away poor goals, don't take your chances and don't play to the standards that gets your results then the game is in the balance and tonight the game was in the balance

I agree with all the above, but not the following quote, which is attributed to Wilder on the BBC site:

"Fulham earned it today, though I don't think they cut us open."

I think Fulham cut us open time and again with their rapid pace tbh. And they scored 5 goals. Admittedly 2 of them were gifts through errors, but all night long they looked capable of rapid counter attacks with such pace that we had very little answer to it.

 

[PeteBlade]

I totally agree that I’d rsther see us concede because we’re going for it then sit back and try and scrape a draw

 

[Aston max]

Aw well helps with goals scored

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I don't think there were "square pegs in round holes last night.

When Brooks and Carruthers came on they seemed to line up as 3-5-2

-------------Bash - Wright - JOC-------------

Brooks - Fleck - Carruthers - Lundstram - Stevens

----------------Sharp - Clarke----------------

and then when Hanson Came on we went:

-----------------------Bash -- JOC-----------------------

------------- Fleck - Carruthers - Lundstram - Stevens
Brooks
----------------Sharp - Hanson - Clarke----------------

The midfield could've actually been more of a diamond as Fleck was sitting deeper, but also making breaks forward

I don't think Lundstram did anything to deserve getting taken off and replacing a midfielder for a midfielder wouldn't have changed much. CCV' confidence had gone for me so it seemed sensible.

You really don’t think 2 at the back and Brooks at right wing back is a case of square pegs in round holes?

I dont actually agree that’s how we lined up but haven’t got time to type it out on my phone.

Lundstram certainly ended up partially trying to cover the right back as can clearly be seen by his position for their 4th and 5th goals.

I think those goals were preventable if we’d been playing our normal (but still attack-minded) shape.

 

[SwissBlade]

You really don’t think 2 at the back and Brooks at right wing back is a case of square pegs in round holes?

I dont actually agree that’s how we lined up but haven’t got time to type it out on my phone.

Lundstram certainly ended up partially trying to cover the right back as can clearly be seen by his position for their 4th and 5th goals.

I think those goals were preventable if we’d been playing our normal (but still attack-minded) shape.

The two at the back were both centre halves, Brooks was playing out wide, not somewhere hes unfamiliar with

As for the semantics of who played where, it was quite a fluid set up as players were covering for each other all over (see total football)

There was certainly nobody out of their comfort zone.

As for the goals being preventable - If you mean goals 4 & 5 then i think you miss the point, we were going for it, you can kind of ignore the analysis of goals when you're in that situation.

 

[Davie Blade]

I thought Duffy was well below his best. Tufty thought so as well it seems.

Which wasn't the point I was making.
but hey ho.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

CCV JW JoC JL ES and BS for me all had worse games than Duffy., who very nearly made it 2 nil with a fantastic mazy run into the box.
He also took a right leathering, from a cynical foul.
Really don't know what games some folks go to.
But it is all about opinions.

As you say, we all see things differently.

Agree, defence-wise, about Edna & (especially) CCV being poor, along with Basham.

But, bizarrely on a night when we concede 5, I thought the goalie 100% escaped any criticism, that Jake Wright was very good & that JOC was pretty magnificent.

Credit to the opposition though - not just superb individual footballers, & clever tactics, but really came here with a positive attitude.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Which wasn't the point I was making.
but hey ho.

I didn't question your point. I passed an opinion on Duffy alone, not against other players performances.

It wasn't a challenge.

 

[BigBed]

I love our response after a defeat, unleash the fury on the next side we play, no excuses, blow the fuckers out the water.
Wilder is bang on, we know what to expect, we shouldnt worry about losing a game by a goal, were top 6, beyond any of our expectations, and way beyond any of the other teams expectations for us, I'm sure we will still be top 4 over Xmas, and il be happy with that.

 

[JimPhipps]

Spot on!

 

[INTAKE BLADE]

Cheers Roy


Just as I saw it.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I hate to say anything critical about Chris Wilder as I love him to bits.
However, i think he got the substitutions wrong tonight and I wonder if on reflection he would come to the same conclusion.

The way I saw it, the game was finely poised at 2-3 with 58 minutes played.
At this point our normal substitution would be Brooks for either Sharp or Duffy.
A straight swap to give us extra flair, pace and energy but sticking to the same formation and system that has brought us so much success.
With 32+ minutes left on the clock I would have been highly confident in our ability to keep slowly ramping up the pressure and take at least one point, maybe three.

On this occasion he brought Brooks on for CCV and 2 minutes later Carruthers for Duffy.
This left us playing what seemed to be a completely alien 4-2-3-1 formation with several players shifted from their normal position.
The players seemed confused, the defence was suddenly all over the shop and looking vulnerable to every single attack and our attacking moves lacked their usual cohesion.

I just think that Chris went too gung-ho, too soon this time when it didn’t really seem necessary at that point.

Well Basham agrees with me:-

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/spo...ir-attacking-instincts-chris-basham-1-8872350

“Maybe we tried to go for it a bit too early, with 35 minutes on the clock and we are really going for it”

“What we were trying to do was go and win the game, get the right result. But we were maybe a little bit gung-ho.”