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ha - well at least you've taken time to breathe.

the free kick was overhit seeing that the keeper caught it just in front of the bar with no Sheff U players in close attendance - as your photo quite superbly captures. Whether your player usually puts the ball on a sixpence is neither here nor there for the free-kick, on that occasion he didn't.

As for your VAR comment - yes, I get it, but that's you. I am not commenting on this from a sheff U perspective as i will have no insight to it, merely from a Villa perspective. You've every right to feel angry as I've every right to shrug it off and move on. Which i will do.

Not sure what Leeds have got to do with it, or why you feel the need to be abusive about Villa or Villa fans specifically. Still, your prerogative on a Sheff U forum.

as for the photo - not the best angle as from the one posted the whole of ball can't be seen to be over the line. There is a frame or two before that I'd expect to be more damning, though.
 
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peter w said:
Not sure why you'd read another club's fan's comments just after a game, they're clearly going to be heavily biased after being heavily biased watching a game for nigh on 2 hours. You were poor, and yes its to be expected, except for the many on here who were saying that you were going to be more up for it due to the noises coming out of the club and the fitness testing. Also, that we sounded like we weren't up for it. I said before the game that little should be read into that.

You didn't play particularly well apart from the last 20 minutes in the first half. THAT incident (which i'll cover) only came about following an overhit free-kick and a central defender bumping his keeper when there was no need for him to be there. He was under no pressure and the keeper had initially caught the ball outside the goal before the lumbering centre-half who was error strewn all night (season) (Hause) bumped him into the goal. Other than that you were largely subdues and while were weren't much better we did carry more of a threat. I do think you'll improve though. The game was very pre-season freindly and we just come across as being slightly ahead of you in our preparation.

Right. That.

Well nothing more to add. We got away with one although until I see it conclusively I'll hold out that it didn't cross the line. That said, it won't be entirely surprising when it has been shown that it was over the line...Anyway, its a shrug of the shoulders from my perspective, we got away with one. In time honoured tradition when speaking to other fans of other clubs we will always point you in the direction of things that didn't go our away and for us maybe this is one of those luck even-ing it self out. Clearly you'll be outraged by the decision as i would too. But, it happened to you and not us so I can let it go a lot quicker.

So on to the rest of the season. I think our defensive deficiencies would have been shown up by a sharper team. Its also why we are where we are. We also need to take our chances when they come. Good luck with the rest of your season. Hopefully we'll see you in the league next year.
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I usually leave it longer but with the quick turn around it was the only time I could get it in before the Pre Match View From Newcastle
 
fair enough. I bet you'll get more than your fair share of the rub of the green in that match.
 
peter w said:
ha - well at least you've taken time to breathe.

the free kick was overhit seeing that the keeper caught it just in front of the bar with no Sheff U players in close attendance - as your photo quite superbly captures. Whether your player usually puts the ball on a sixpence is neither here nor there for the free-kick, on that occasion he didn't.

As for your VAR comment - yes, I get it, but that's you. I am not commenting on this from a sheff U perspective as i will have no insight to it, merely from a Villa perspective. You've every right to feel angry as I've every right to shrug it off and move on. Which i will do.

Not sure what Leeds have got to do with it, or why you feel the need to be abusive about Villa or Villa fans specifically. Still, your prerogative on a Sheff U forum.

as for the photo - not the best angle as from the one posted the whole of ball can't be seen to be over the line. There is a frame or two before that I'd expect to be more damning, though.
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Erm. It’s behind the post 🤷‍♂️😳
 
That you can see some of the ball suggests that not all of it is. The ball isn't made of led so enough pushed onto a post will make contact with the line. Not conclusive from that angle.
 
peter w said:
ha - well at least you've taken time to breathe.

the free kick was overhit seeing that the keeper caught it just in front of the bar with no Sheff U players in close attendance - as your photo quite superbly captures. Whether your player usually puts the ball on a sixpence is neither here nor there for the free-kick, on that occasion he didn't.

As for your VAR comment - yes, I get it, but that's you. I am not commenting on this from a sheff U perspective as i will have no insight to it, merely from a Villa perspective. You've every right to feel angry as I've every right to shrug it off and move on. Which i will do.

Not sure what Leeds have got to do with it, or why you feel the need to be abusive about Villa or Villa fans specifically. Still, your prerogative on a Sheff U forum.

as for the photo - not the best angle as from the one posted the whole of ball can't be seen to be over the line. There is a frame or two before that I'd expect to be more damning, though.
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That’s exactly where Norwood wanted to put it. Not difficult to understand. He’s not aiming for the head of a Blades player - since the Villa lads are taller than our lads. He was looking to create some panic by putting it in the top bin. That’s where it went. Nyland fucked up = goal.

Let’s be clear - if this was the other way around then there wouldn’t be many Villa fans “brushing it off“ or “getting over it” - just because Blades are safe and your lot are still fighting for their survival it doesn’t diminish the importance of those extra two points to us. Villa fans are fortunate to have had a chance to go for glory in Europe. This might have been our best chance of a taste of some of that.

I’ve seen a fair few comments from Leeds fans suggesting that. I wasn’t being abusive - just mirroring their comments.

Dean Smith. Stifling the urge to pisss him self laughing in the post match interview. Faux outrage at Leeds last season. Justice served? He’s smarmy and two faced. Revelling in it.

Once pork, allus pork.
 
peter w said:
That you can see some of the ball suggests that not all of it is. The ball isn't made of led so enough pushed onto a post will make contact with the line. Not conclusive from that angle.
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No one finds your input that interesting or insightful really. You’re not even any good on the wind up.
 
peter w said:
That you can see some of the ball suggests that not all of it is. The ball isn't made of led so enough pushed onto a post will make contact with the line. Not conclusive from that angle.
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The you obviously didn't watch the match or the multifarious replays Sky put up, which from another angle clearly shows Nyland has got his left arm between ball and post, with said arm being ON the post. The posts have a circular diameter equal to the line thickness, therefore if it is fully behind the post, it's behind the line. There is also the overhead angle which, while admittedly a bit blurry, shows clearly the ball is over the line. It'll take all of about 2 seconds Googling for you to find it. You can argue about the blurriness, but that same blurry image was used to rule out a valid goal for us against Spurs by the width of the anti-aliasing in a totally different phase of play, so you'll understand, even if dispassionately, why we think that image should be used.

Hawkeye have admitted it went over the line.

Every sports outlet and column has said it's over the line.

Your own manager has said it was over the line and AVFC got away with one.

I get that from the Villa PoV its beneficial so it's easy for you to "shrug it off", but you're doing yourself a disservice with this whole "I'll maintain it to be inconclusive until i see otherwise" nonsense. If you'd come on here and admitted it was over and you got away with it - as your own team have done - then you'd probably not be getting people pointing out how much of a numpty you're being.
 
peter w said:
Well nothing more to add. We got away with one although until I see it conclusively I'll hold out that it didn't cross the line.
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peter w said:
as for the photo - not the best angle as from the one posted the whole of ball can't be seen to be over the line. There is a frame or two before that I'd expect to be more damning, though.
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peter w said:
That you can see some of the ball suggests that not all of it is. The ball isn't made of led so enough pushed onto a post will make contact with the line. Not conclusive from that angle.
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peter w said:
Not stirring as I've already said whether it was a goal or not. That photo doesn't show it. The frame or two before would.
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Just in case your demonstrated "hard-of-thinking" approach to this means the usage of Google isn't something you're capable of, how about this photo? Taken from a WWest Ham forum of all places:

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Thanks Roy....Not one mention of course that Fleck and Jack weren’t playing but apart from some sensible comments about the goal that should have been most of the comments seemed to think the awful technical fault was ok. Remember Smith at Leeds well we will remember Smith at Villa a complete contrast....Hope Villa go down and Smith gets his P45
 

"On April 28th last year LEEDS United manager Marcelo Biesla ordered his players to LET Aston Villa equalise in an amazing show of sportsmanship"

Where were you Smithy? Is your memory so short? Have you any integrity whatsover?

Goodbye Villa, and good riddance - off you go back to where you belong. Welcome Leeds United instead; at least they have a manager with a conscience.

If any one of our players felt the anger, frustration and dread of those twats scoring in the 2nd half, or the feelings of just "what is the effing point of re-starting the Prem League again, under these conditions, only to suffer this kind of crap from officials and technology" then it's hardly surprising we were way below par.

Why any poster can even talk about "Was it or was it not over the line" or even bother to debate that point is beyond comprehension. All the millions of people watching on TV knew it was over the line the moment it crossed the line, so the debate (if there's to be one) should be centered around the obvious question of "How the hell is a goal not given?" It's not as if they needed a minute or two to check with "Ball-Tracking" with some 3rd umpire then asking for the next phase of the process. They can hold the game up for players to take on water, but apparently there's no time to check replays to make sure real-time eyes in their heads weren't actually playing tricks with their senses.
 
mablethorpe utd said:
The villa player handles the ball before that, should have been a penalty.
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I'll take your word on that, as i genuinely didn't see anything like that. On a first watch and a rewatch i didn't see any kind of handball, but that would have been one of the possible reasons for VAR to actually look at the incident - to review a possible penalty - which might have led to VAR reviewing the entire passage of play and realising "Hang on... did that fucking ball go over the line there?"
 
If Villa manage to avoid relegation on goal difference I would fully support the club that does get relegated taking legal action against the PL and Hawkeye even if that club happens to be WHU.
I hope Villa go down now.
 
peter w said:
fair enough. I bet you'll get more than your fair share of the rub of the green in that match.
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Oh yes, like we did when we played them at Bramall Lane! If you can be bothered, Google teams who've won/lost most points due to VAR. We only have 9 games for it to even up decisions and that ain't enough!
 
peter w said:
That you can see some of the ball suggests that not all of it is. The ball isn't made of led so enough pushed onto a post will make contact with the line. Not conclusive from that angle.
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You must have seen plenty of other stills though that show it over the line, there's plenty about.
 
peter w said:
You didn't play particularly well apart from the last 20 minutes in the first half. THAT incident (which i'll cover) only came about following an overhit free-kick and a central defender bumping his keeper when there was no need for him to be there. He was under no pressure and the keeper had initially caught the ball outside the goal before the lumbering centre-half who was error strewn all night (season) (Hause) bumped him into the goal.
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It was Davis (your striker) not Hause who bumped Nyland into the goal.
 
The way I assess that game - If we play like that for the rest of the season, we stay up. If Villa play like that for the rest of the season, they go down.
 
Blend-it-like-Harris said:
"On April 28th last year LEEDS United manager Marcelo Biesla ordered his players to LET Aston Villa equalise in an amazing show of sportsmanship"

Where were you Smithy? Is your memory so short? Have you any integrity whatsover?

Goodbye Villa, and good riddance - off you go back to where you belong. Welcome Leeds United instead; at least they have a manager with a conscience.

If any one of our players felt the anger, frustration and dread of those twats scoring in the 2nd half, or the feelings of just "what is the effing point of re-starting the Prem League again, under these conditions, only to suffer this kind of crap from officials and technology" then it's hardly surprising we were way below par.

Why any poster can even talk about "Was it or was it not over the line" or even bother to debate that point is beyond comprehension. All the millions of people watching on TV knew it was over the line the moment it crossed the line, so the debate (if there's to be one) should be centered around the obvious question of "How the hell is a goal not given?" It's not as if they needed a minute or two to check with "Ball-Tracking" with some 3rd umpire then asking for the next phase of the process. They can hold the game up for players to take on water, but apparently there's no time to check replays to make sure real-time eyes in their heads weren't actually playing tricks with their senses.
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I love Bielsa when he managed Chile (family history means I follow Chile) but I've never been sold on his fair play thing from last season. What Leeds did in the first instance was totally wrong and took advantage of Villa thinking they were about to put the ball out. He corrected it, but its only like me insulting you and then saying sorry in my view! But, at least he did correct it.

I do think Smith could have said more understandable comments to us though, what happened was a disgrace and he came out with the "we've all been on the end of bad decisions crap. No ones been on the end of as many bad decisions this season than us, I believe that's fact, and yesterday was just on a different level, even to any previous decisions. He'd have come out with much more respect if he'd showed more compassion, although I wouldn't have expected him to allow us to score in their current predicament.
 
The whole us allowing you to score really is nonsensical.

The Leeds incident was wholly different. there have been precedents of allowing a team to score due to the 'gentlemanly sporting agreement' of giving the ball back when one team puts it out (happened in a few games over the years, when the opposition have gone on to score and then given the goal back). the Leeds incident was just that as described above.

But why would we then give a goal back because of a poor decision on the pitch? Where will it end? Interestingly the goal scored by Leeds was actually offside, would Bielsa have given us the goal if that was the only consideration? Last season we were convinced the Sharp took the ball out of the keepers hands for his 2nd goal - if Smith had have brought a still to Wilder during the game would you be happy with him saying, 'fair enough, give Villa a goal back'. That would be ridiculous.

There's a wealth of difference between giving a goal back because of set precedence over the sporting behaviour edict amongst clubs, and giving a goal back because of an incorrect decision.

There's also no point having a go at Villa over this. We were the beneficiaries, not the perpetrators.
 
This incident stands alone as unprecedented; Hawkeye apoplogised and claimed a 9000/1 chance. Everyone knew the ball crossed the line; it was a totally legitimate goal. At what point does justice and reality take precedence over utter incompetence or clear-cut technical breakdown/injustice - or should steps never be taken to right a wrong?
The goal was within a couple of minutes of half-time. The half-time break was more than enough time to deal with the glaring error. The waiting millions in the football world would have welcomed an announcement before the start of the 2nd half stating that it would be corrected, one way or another.... that's up to the powers that are supposed to manage our National game .
Instead we have millions looking on thinking it's a bleedin' farce, and VAR gets more and more ridicule.
As for the managers; Jeeeeez.... I'd like to think Chris Wilder wouldn't shrink into his bunker-hole like Smithy did.
 

peter w said:
if Smith had have brought a still to Wilder during the game would you be happy with him saying, 'fair enough, give Villa a goal back'. That would be ridiculous.
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It's clearly ridiculous to try and compare the two totally different circumstances (please see my comments above).
 
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