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siblade said:
Apart from 4 or 5 teams that have financial clout the rest will be much of a muchness so we should be fine. The biggest difference will be that there are no easy games which you can't really say about league one.
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There will be easy games. You just can't say which ones until you've played them!...
 



Pinchy said:
There will be easy games. You just can't say which ones until you've played them!...
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Don't know about easy but obviously some will be easier than others, as I said above the overall standard is just a bit higher but I can't see us having a problem staying in the championship if we play anything like this season.
Anyway I'm just enjoying this season for the moment, they don't come along very often so make the most of it :)
 
From experience, it is a tougher division, but it isn't La Liga. Though I would love to see Messi at The Amex. (For five minute before his first hat trick at least!) We yoyo'd a bit previous to this stint but that was when we weren't really set up for this league. If/when you get promoted I'd be surprised if you drop back down in the first season. Last time we came up without massive investment we finished 10th.
Now, I think it's getting a little harder/more expensive each year to compete, but by being frugal and signing the right players (Not those big name wage packet players) you'll find yourselves competitive. Finding a reliable striker in the Championship can be difficult, as the step up can prove difficult with defences being much tighter, it's an instinctive thing, strikers just don't get that half-second to set their feet or adjust balance in the Championship most of the time. Though I'm in no way dissing you're current squad or suggesting L1 is a cakewalk, far from it.
I must be honest I know very little about your scouting and recruitment, but you must be doing something right to be where you are.
There's always going to be team (especially those on parachute payments) throwing silly money at players but as the likes of Derby, Villa and to a lesser degree Wednesday are finding out, spunking stupid money doesn't guarantee promotion.
As a solid, well organised unit you'll be fine, add a couple of faces in the summer and it'll no doubt be an exciting season ahead for you. With that said, you still have to get there, so it's maybe best to not count your chickens as they say and enjoy the ride; best of luck, in my own little way I'm rooting for you. :)
 
Seagull said:
From experience, it is a tougher division, but it isn't La Liga. Though I would love to see Messi at The Amex. (For five minute before his first hat trick at least!) We yoyo'd a bit previous to this stint but that was when we weren't really set up for this league. If/when you get promoted I'd be surprised if you drop back down in the first season. Last time we came up without massive investment we finished 10th.
Now, I think it's getting a little harder/more expensive each year to compete, but by being frugal and signing the right players (Not those big name wage packet players) you'll find yourselves competitive. Finding a reliable striker in the Championship can be difficult, as the step up can prove difficult with defences being much tighter, it's an instinctive thing, strikers just don't get that half-second to set their feet or adjust balance in the Championship most of the time. Though I'm in no way dissing you're current squad or suggesting L1 is a cakewalk, far from it.
I must be honest I know very little about your scouting and recruitment, but you must be doing something right to be where you are.
There's always going to be team (especially those on parachute payments) throwing silly money at players but as the likes of Derby, Villa and to a lesser degree Wednesday are finding out, spunking stupid money doesn't guarantee promotion.
As a solid, well organised unit you'll be fine, add a couple of faces in the summer and it'll no doubt be an exciting season ahead for you. With that said, you still have to get there, so it's maybe best to not count your chickens as they say and enjoy the ride; best of luck, in my own little way I'm rooting for you. :)
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Likewise, as a former UoB student with a couple of Brighton supporting mates, I hope you go up.
 
Seagull said:
From experience, it is a tougher division, but it isn't La Liga. Though I would love to see Messi at The Amex. (For five minute before his first hat trick at least!) We yoyo'd a bit previous to this stint but that was when we weren't really set up for this league. If/when you get promoted I'd be surprised if you drop back down in the first season. Last time we came up without massive investment we finished 10th.
Now, I think it's getting a little harder/more expensive each year to compete, but by being frugal and signing the right players (Not those big name wage packet players) you'll find yourselves competitive. Finding a reliable striker in the Championship can be difficult, as the step up can prove difficult with defences being much tighter, it's an instinctive thing, strikers just don't get that half-second to set their feet or adjust balance in the Championship most of the time. Though I'm in no way dissing you're current squad or suggesting L1 is a cakewalk, far from it.
I must be honest I know very little about your scouting and recruitment, but you must be doing something right to be where you are.
There's always going to be team (especially those on parachute payments) throwing silly money at players but as the likes of Derby, Villa and to a lesser degree Wednesday are finding out, spunking stupid money doesn't guarantee promotion.
As a solid, well organised unit you'll be fine, add a couple of faces in the summer and it'll no doubt be an exciting season ahead for you. With that said, you still have to get there, so it's maybe best to not count your chickens as they say and enjoy the ride; best of luck, in my own little way I'm rooting for you. :)
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I bet your fans have got some great stories of crowd size /biggest club arguments with the massive of s6

Good luck for the season hope you do it this year thought you were incredibly unlucky against the deluded truffle hunters in the play offs
 
grafikhaus said:
One of the main reasons the pigs are so delusional is on my radio at the moment. It's the nightly 'Carlos Carvalhal Hour' (used to be called Football Heaven). Just about every call is a study in self-promotion for the pigs (yes, yes, 'if fans of other clubs don't ring in what can we do?'). Blades fans have given up ringing in just as they've given up on The Stir. A pig has just been on 'looking forward to next season when the owls wll be getting 30k+ crowds to shut United up.' Did anybody at RS point out that it's almost 50 years (1968) since the pigs averaged over 30k? Of course not. Earlier another pig was going on about the 'massive strides' the pigs have made in the last few years and 'does anybody remember a few years ago when the owls nearly went bust?' Again, nobody at RS pointed out that, but for the criminal Co-op conveniently 'forgetting' a £20m loan to the equally-criminal Mandaric, the pigs would, hopefully, be no more?
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Mark the pitsmoor thick pig was on RS the other day and explaining that they would be getting 40k gates if they get in the premiership !!.............mind you he is probably one of the thickest pigs of all
 
Broomhall Blade said:
But there is a far more important question being asked on Porktalk.

Are Sheffield Wednesday the most important football club in the world.






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they are among fishmongers :p

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Seagull said:
From experience, it is a tougher division, but it isn't La Liga. Though I would love to see Messi at The Amex. (For five minute before his first hat trick at least!) We yoyo'd a bit previous to this stint but that was when we weren't really set up for this league. If/when you get promoted I'd be surprised if you drop back down in the first season. Last time we came up without massive investment we finished 10th.
Now, I think it's getting a little harder/more expensive each year to compete, but by being frugal and signing the right players (Not those big name wage packet players) you'll find yourselves competitive. Finding a reliable striker in the Championship can be difficult, as the step up can prove difficult with defences being much tighter, it's an instinctive thing, strikers just don't get that half-second to set their feet or adjust balance in the Championship most of the time. Though I'm in no way dissing you're current squad or suggesting L1 is a cakewalk, far from it.
I must be honest I know very little about your scouting and recruitment, but you must be doing something right to be where you are.
There's always going to be team (especially those on parachute payments) throwing silly money at players but as the likes of Derby, Villa and to a lesser degree Wednesday are finding out, spunking stupid money doesn't guarantee promotion.
As a solid, well organised unit you'll be fine, add a couple of faces in the summer and it'll no doubt be an exciting season ahead for you. With that said, you still have to get there, so it's maybe best to not count your chickens as they say and enjoy the ride; best of luck, in my own little way I'm rooting for you. :)
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My Wifes Uncle is a Brighton fan. He resides in Auckland now so doesn't get to see them very often! We were chatting on messenger the other day and we were both discussing the long history of our respective clubs throwing it away. I was suggesting you are odds on to get up this year and he was saying we are virtually home and dry! Both of us refuse to believe it until the points are on the board.

Good luck, I hope you do it, just about the only team in Blue and White I can be positive about!
 
So I went to villa park Saturday (took some customers to a box my company have) and went to see this vast chasm for myself. We I can say this vast chasm is a complete myth same as their attendances, both teams very average and the pace surprisingly quite slow.I know both teams had injuries and that is fair enough but this mantra of we have to spend 100m just to survive is the pigs trying to convince each other we will bomb. There was still about 25m of stickers from both teams on the pitch and they looked so languid.

It was said again many times on football heaven tonight that we need to do this and that to survive, on their massive thread about us here is a couple of posts in the last few hours:

"They need a new goalkeeper, two new centre backs, two wingers, a central midfielder and a striker in order to be vaguely competitive. And that's being generous"

"If we don't go up their anticipation will be heightened because their existence is based on beating us. Burton have proved you can possibly survive for a season on team spirit and doggedness , and they may match that. But to forge a period above the bottom 6 in this league you need to invest well over £20 million and comply with FFP, which means big increases in ticket prices"

I am convinced we need to strengthen and it will probably be a few years of consolidation and investment before we can compete however I firmly believe team spirit and players with decent ability who will run through brick walls can be more successful than teams who have spent big. Look at the likes of Burnley and Bournemouth in recent years they got promoted from the championship through players who had less ability than the likes of derby who have spen big. Those teams have stayed in the premier through hard work team spirit and good attitude.

I tell you something under wilder we have all those things in abundance and it would not chock me if we actually had a good go next year.
 
"Interestingly Scunthorpe don’t look to be dominating matches all that much: as we saw in the previous two graphs, their promotion challenge is being powered by some clinical finishing and stubborn defending. Historically this hasn’t proven to be all that sustainable, so they may need to find another gear in order to remain in the top two."

On 13th of January - how spot on was that?
 



Preston
Barnsley
Huddersfield
Leeds
Brentford
Wendy

All recently League One clubs
None of whom are struggling

Edit
You can add Bournemouth to that list too

Pigs are talking Bolox as usual
 
Everyone who plays the pigs says their shit even the guys on sky today said so
Still sixth though and can see them stating there
 
Only difference is the quality of the final ball and finishing, it's a bit better more consistently.
The physical side isn't a huge difference, there maybe a bit more pace in some individuals.

Most of our players I feel are good enough technically to cope well. We just need to invest in the game changer players, the ones who can be special consistently.
New striker, possibly two. Winger, centre half....maybe a full back. Add the right players, at the right age who are good enough now with the scope to get even better and we have a comfortable mid season finish ready for a push the year after, as those players improve and we add another 3-4 good players.

Patience is back as the name of the game....along with good scouting and sensible recruitment.
 
Talking to a Wendy in the pub yesterday, and he trotted out the same old rubbish about the standard of the division, thinks we'll be fourth bottom and stay up, but didn't think they'd be promoted either, I casually reminded him that we will buy the right sort of player to fit into our team and build a team, because a team can compete any day with a group of mercenaries which is what I though they had on the pitch... and on the bench... no comebacks from that..
 
I started this thread a few months ago when it was stated that there is a massive difference between league 1 and the championship and we would have to spend vast amounts to just survive. After watching the play off games and now seeing 2 teams who have not spent big what are everyone's thoughts.

The nutters on north Korea talk have turned a little schizophrenic on one hand they are telling us that having a team, team spirit and togetherness is not enough we need quality individual players which will cost a fortune. Now on the other hand they are saying that Huddersfield beat them because they were a team, had togetherness and didn't need individual players. I would like to know which one it is!

Now I am not saying we don't need to strengthen but a mixture of good signings and astute loan signings I believe we will more than hold our own as Huddersfield and Reading have. The difference between them this year to last year in my opinion is the disparity between the players, if there is such a gulf between what players are earning the gulf will show on the pitch. Yes they may have Rhodes, Fletcher Bannan, Forestieri, Reach, Abdi but all these players are on massive wages compared to other players in their squad. Last year they had team spirit and togetherness which is clearly lacking this year.

I hope we keep our identity and team spirit above any marquis signing it is how we have always been when we have done well. We don't need to look to far away to see what happens when a team brings in lots of individuals with no idea how to integrate them into the team.
 
Robboblade1889 said:
I started this thread a few months ago when it was stated that there is a massive difference between league 1 and the championship and we would have to spend vast amounts to just survive. After watching the play off games and now seeing 2 teams who have not spent big what are everyone's thoughts.

The nutters on north Korea talk have turned a little schizophrenic on one hand they are telling us that having a team, team spirit and togetherness is not enough we need quality individual players which will cost a fortune. Now on the other hand they are saying that Huddersfield beat them because they were a team, had togetherness and didn't need individual players. I would like to know which one it is!

Now I am not saying we don't need to strengthen but a mixture of good signings and astute loan signings I believe we will more than hold our own as Huddersfield and Reading have. The difference between them this year to last year in my opinion is the disparity between the players, if there is such a gulf between what players are earning the gulf will show on the pitch. Yes they may have Rhodes, Fletcher Bannan, Forestieri, Reach, Abdi but all these players are on massive wages compared to other players in their squad. Last year they had team spirit and togetherness which is clearly lacking this year.

I hope we keep our identity and team spirit above any marquis signing it is how we have always been when we have done well. We don't need to look to far away to see what happens when a team brings in lots of individuals with no idea how to integrate them into the team.
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It's an interesting point you make contrasting their seeming togetherness last time round with their shambolic, half-hearted play-off performance this time.

Apparently, last night they had the exact same starting eleven playing to the side they had playing v Hull in last season's play-off final, bar Hooper (Fletcher in for him).

So, despite the celebrated signings & the vast wages, they've just flatlined and stagnated since this time last season.

But why the shocking level of performance, the lack of cohesion, the reliance on hoping to cheat a free-kick and nick a goal from a set-piece? Surely they'd have gelled more, one year on? Reckon you've got it spot on here in your analysis of their backbiting mercenary, individualistic culture.

The polar opposite of what we've got going here under Wilder, thank the Lord.
 
Robboblade1889 said:
I started this thread a few months ago when it was stated that there is a massive difference between league 1 and the championship and we would have to spend vast amounts to just survive. After watching the play off games and now seeing 2 teams who have not spent big what are everyone's thoughts.

The nutters on north Korea talk have turned a little schizophrenic on one hand they are telling us that having a team, team spirit and togetherness is not enough we need quality individual players which will cost a fortune. Now on the other hand they are saying that Huddersfield beat them because they were a team, had togetherness and didn't need individual players. I would like to know which one it is!

Now I am not saying we don't need to strengthen but a mixture of good signings and astute loan signings I believe we will more than hold our own as Huddersfield and Reading have. The difference between them this year to last year in my opinion is the disparity between the players, if there is such a gulf between what players are earning the gulf will show on the pitch. Yes they may have Rhodes, Fletcher Bannan, Forestieri, Reach, Abdi but all these players are on massive wages compared to other players in their squad. Last year they had team spirit and togetherness which is clearly lacking this year.

I hope we keep our identity and team spirit above any marquis signing it is how we have always been when we have done well. We don't need to look to far away to see what happens when a team brings in lots of individuals with no idea how to integrate them into the team.
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The "Gap" as its most commonly referred to is as slim as it's been in many many years.

There is a genuine gap from Champ to PL, but that's another story.

While there is no way of knowing, my educated guess tells me that this very SU side that romped L1 with 100 points would have been good for 60-80 points competing in the Championship this last season.

The standard in the Championship ain't all that. With 3/5 key squad additions, and assuming our existing key players retain the good form, I have huge confidence we will be competitive next term.

UTB
 
Robboblade1889 said:
So if and it is still a big if we get promoted are we going to be whipping boys in the championship? Listening to the nutters down the road the Championship is now on a par with la liga. I have just read this from a Wendy fan:

"The might be able to cut it in tinpot league but there is a vast chasm of class in between League 1 and The Championship. They will get annihilated on a weekly basis IF they manage to bridge the gap.
Would take huge investment on all fronts to get anywhere near the level they need to even survive this league."

So basically we are screwed there isn't a big gap between league 1 and Championship it is a "Vast Chasm". All sounds like scary stuff, in fact I actually think we should tell the league we don't want promotion because there in no chance at all we can compete with the massive clubs in the Championship.
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Yep, that's why a team with the same budget of Rotherham has just rubbed their snouts in it, and are one step from the Premier League.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
It's an interesting point you make contrasting their seeming togetherness last time round with their shambolic, half-hearted play-off performance this time.

Apparently, last night they had the exact same starting eleven playing to the side they had playing v Hull in last season's play-off final, bar Hooper (Fletcher in for him).

So, despite the celebrated signings & the vast wages, they've just flatlined and stagnated since this time last season.

But why the shocking level of performance, the lack of cohesion, the reliance on hoping to cheat a free-kick and nick a goal from a set-piece? Surely they'd have gelled more, one year on? Reckon you've got it spot on here in your analysis of their backbiting mercenary, individualistic culture.

The polar opposite of what we've got going here under Wilder, thank the Lord.
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There's no
Alfreton14Blade said:
It's an interesting point you make contrasting their seeming togetherness last time round with their shambolic, half-hearted play-off performance this time.

Apparently, last night they had the exact same starting eleven playing to the side they had playing v Hull in last season's play-off final, bar Hooper (Fletcher in for him).

So, despite the celebrated signings & the vast wages, they've just flatlined and stagnated since this time last season.

But why the shocking level of performance, the lack of cohesion, the reliance on hoping to cheat a free-kick and nick a goal from a set-piece? Surely they'd have gelled more, one year on? Reckon you've got it spot on here in your analysis of their backbiting mercenary, individualistic culture.

The polar opposite of what we've got going here under Wilder, thank the Lord.
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Problem with the Pork? This I think.

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Robboblade1889 said:
I started this thread a few months ago when it was stated that there is a massive difference between league 1 and the championship and we would have to spend vast amounts to just survive. After watching the play off games and now seeing 2 teams who have not spent big what are everyone's thoughts.

The nutters on north Korea talk have turned a little schizophrenic on one hand they are telling us that having a team, team spirit and togetherness is not enough we need quality individual players which will cost a fortune. Now on the other hand they are saying that Huddersfield beat them because they were a team, had togetherness and didn't need individual players. I would like to know which one it is!

Now I am not saying we don't need to strengthen but a mixture of good signings and astute loan signings I believe we will more than hold our own as Huddersfield and Reading have. The difference between them this year to last year in my opinion is the disparity between the players, if there is such a gulf between what players are earning the gulf will show on the pitch. Yes they may have Rhodes, Fletcher Bannan, Forestieri, Reach, Abdi but all these players are on massive wages compared to other players in their squad. Last year they had team spirit and togetherness which is clearly lacking this year.

I hope we keep our identity and team spirit above any marquis signing it is how we have always been when we have done well. We don't need to look to far away to see what happens when a team brings in lots of individuals with no idea how to integrate them into the team.
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If what they're saying had any semblance of truth then it wasn't apparent in their dismal performance against Huddersfield. All their supporers have done is reach deep into the footballing bag of cliches and trot out another set of unprovable opinions simply because they believe their own bullshit. I don't recall Bournemouth having too many individuals who only turned up when it suited them, yet that small town team have exposed the North Korean lies for what they are. First, it helps if you know something about football, secondly, being clueless will never get you anywhere in life, let alone football. Last season your chairman gave it his best shot, spent relative fortunes on players who didn't have the club's best interests at heart, and subsequently you lost sight of what it takes to progress and take yourself from the Championship into the Premiership. Now you have to regroup, take a long hard look at yourselves, get rid of one or three of your supposed 'quality' players, and then look to be pressurised into paying top dollar for players whose reputations go before them. I'm looking forward to seeing how you come off the back of last night's woeful performance........you've got so much to do and so little time to do it UTMB!!!
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
It's an interesting point you make contrasting their seeming togetherness last time round with their shambolic, half-hearted play-off performance this time.

Apparently, last night they had the exact same starting eleven playing to the side they had playing v Hull in last season's play-off final, bar Hooper (Fletcher in for him).

So, despite the celebrated signings & the vast wages, they've just flatlined and stagnated since this time last season.

But why the shocking level of performance, the lack of cohesion, the reliance on hoping to cheat a free-kick and nick a goal from a set-piece? Surely they'd have gelled more, one year on? Reckon you've got it spot on here in your analysis of their backbiting mercenary, individualistic culture.

The polar opposite of what we've got going here under Wilder, thank the Lord.
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Probably doesn't help when there's talk of a new manager coming in. Reminds me of Man City when the news that Mancini was going came out on FA Cup final day.
 



I've made a point of watching quite a bit of championship football this season, mainly because I think it's a far more competitive division than the premier league. In my opinion, the reason why it's a more competitive league, is because none of the sides that play in the championship are actually very good. Newcastle ended up winning the league because they were the most consistent... that's it. They've been on the box quite a lot this season. They weren't particularly amazing in any of their games (that I saw anyway). Sides struggle to string 5 passes together without giving the ball away. I genuinely think the side we have NOW would be comfortable in the championship. Bring it on!
 
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