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Mumbo said:
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I think the margin for error thing comes with the inadequate 50fps that the cameras run at.
Pukkis goal was an incredible piece of skill exquisitely timed and executed, VAR could well end up costing Norwich a cool £100m.
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VAR is scandalous at best.

Every professional in the game knows it's not fit for purpose but the ref's will back it to the end of time to avoid admittance of getting owt wrong.

Sorry if you turn out every weekend and amateur football wouldn't exist without you but tha's got to be a dickhead to be a ref.

Some sort of calling to fuck up football.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Sheffield United have one of twenty votes at the Premier League table. And the outcome of that vote is the Premier League agreeing to use VAR. There is no external, it's them over there, Bogeyman. The Premier League is the Clubs. It's "us".
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they vote for it in November 2018 so we have no say in this. it was huddersfield fulham & cardiff

video decision couldve worked. if they had used common sense. they ended up with so many broken promises they make Nigel farage look trustworthy. everything they promised this high bar & not re refereeing games has turned out to be rubbish
 
sheff_blade90 said:
they vote for it in November 2018 so we have no say in this. it was huddersfield fulham & cardiff

video decision couldve worked. if they had used common sense. they ended up with so many broken promises they make Nigel farage look trustworthy. everything they promised this high bar & not re refereeing games has turned out to be rubbish
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No worries. The Big Prinz can vote against it the next time it comes up.
 
Think people have short memories.

Before VAR there were many more clear errors every week....some refs felt intimidated at the big clubs with bigger crowds.
It was really common to see players crowd the ref...disrespect and intimidate the ref.
The behaviour of players is now much improved....they don’t even seem to try to con the ref as much.

In theory VAR should see a big improvement...it’s the way it’s been implemented thats the problem.
Regards offside take the measurement from each players foot....ignore shoulders and how players are leaning in various direction.

Speed up decisions...set a max of 60 seconds or 1 minute.....if VAR can’t decide in that time then let the original decision stand.
I understand that VAR will be reviewed in the Summer and suspect/ hope some changes will occur because the current rules are spoiling the enjoyment.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
The Premier League Club owners will absolutely love VAR, aimed as it is at the group of fans who generate/produce the most income. They're not going to vote against it are they?
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i think VAR is working well & if offside were taken out or there had to be daylight. VAR wouldnt be the issue it is now

i would say 13 owners are involved because they enjoy football. they won't like it as much as we dont. & it might get taken out of their hands. premier league is a multi billion pound product i think the last 3 contracts have gone for 13/14 billion. premier league reputation that took 27yrs to build is being broken within 4 months. i genuinely cant see an amicable ending to this situation. this is already bubbling under the surface
 
Do they decide the winner of a 100m sprint with a crooked line that isn't looking directly across the finishing line? A motor race? A horse race?

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It's a load of bollocks that will end up sending (some) teams down and get managers the sack.
 
GRUMPY BLADE said:
VAR would give the race to the lass in red. 😥
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Yeah the one in lane 5 because 4 and 7 were in phase 2.

Remember VAR is not the technology that decides its the Referee using VAR drawing his little lines that decides. What I dont understand is in all the VAR decisions I have never once see the referee go over to the TV screen at half line and look at the decisions. They were doing it all the time in the world cup. Pretty sure if he did then some of these dubios VAR decisions would be different.
 

I think the PL or whoever runs VAR need to explain to the fans (and pundits) how VAR actually operates in practice. As far as I am concerned there are inherent inaccuracies in the system. When precisely is the ball played through? Where and how is the line drawn? The fact is that there is potential for error in both these and the way it is recorded with so many frames every second. In any scientific measurement there is always a potential “margin for error” and this should be built into the VAR process. I don’t know the margin for error but I have seen some people calculating it as 20 cms. What we don’t know is what the margin for error is with VAR and whether this is built in as an allowance on VAR decisions. Please can someone tell me. Until it is explained I will never accept that the Pukki decision and also the Lunny decision at Spurs are correct within possible margins.
 
grafikhaus said:
Do they decide the winner of a 100m sprint with a crooked line that isn't looking directly across the finishing line? A motor race? A horse race?

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It's a load of bollocks that will end up sending (some) teams down and get managers the sack.
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But the people drawing the arbitrary lines at arbitrary points in play....
 
varkanoid said:
Yeah the one in lane 5 because 4 and 7 were in phase 2.

Remember VAR is not the technology that decides its the Referee using VAR drawing his little lines that decides. What I dont understand is in all the VAR decisions I have never once see the referee go over to the TV screen at half line and look at the decisions. They were doing it all the time in the world cup. Pretty sure if he did then some of these dubios VAR decisions would be different.
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Not in English football, but that's because referees have long made it plain to the refs' assistants that they're in charge, thus reducing the assistants' role to 'yes men'.

The ref. did go over to the pitchside monitor to look at a 'penalty' for Mane in the recent Liverpool v Flamengo game. It was a clear choice - was Mane 'clipped' just outside or inside the area? After the usual pantomime of the ref. putting his finger to his ear, he went over to the monitor and made his decision - an uncontested 'drop ball'. To Flamengo.

It stinks.

 
Sheffsteel said:
Think people have short memories.

Before VAR there were many more clear errors every week....some refs felt intimidated at the big clubs with bigger crowds.
It was really common to see players crowd the ref...disrespect and intimidate the ref.
The behaviour of players is now much improved....they don’t even seem to try to con the ref as much.

In theory VAR should see a big improvement...it’s the way it’s been implemented thats the problem.
Regards offside take the measurement from each players foot....ignore shoulders and how players are leaning in various direction.

Speed up decisions...set a max of 60 seconds or 1 minute.....if VAR can’t decide in that time then let the original decision stand.
I understand that VAR will be reviewed in the Summer and suspect/ hope some changes will occur because the current rules are spoiling the enjoyment.
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I agree with what you are saying, but you can’t have a timer, that would just bring more controversy. Who starts the timer and when? What if it’s decided after 62 seconds to overturn the decision?

To me you’re just opening it up to more big clubs getting the decisions criticism. “The VAR ref took his time there cause it’s Man U” or “He couldn’t wait to overturn that decision for Liverpool”.

I’d copy rugby and just stop the match clock and let the refs take the time they need. I’d also go a step further, mic up the refs and show the replay on the stadium big screen so the stadium crowd are involved in the process.
 
I'm a fan of VAR for offside. I have listened to arguments against. I understand some people just don't want to use the line drawing technology & go back to the linesman's eye & flag. Fair enough.

But some people are saying (the equivalent of) "give them 20cm leeway" "if they're level they're not offside" "there needs to be daylight"

All those "solutions" do is move where you draw the lines. Currently, you can have someone 1cm offside. If you give them 20cm leeway, there'll be people 21cm offside. If you give them level, there'll be people 1cm off level. If you give them daylight, there'll be people 1cm short of daylight. There'll still be tight calls. I'm happy with it as it is.

(I'm not too fussed about the dick swinging oooohhhh I'm a big celebrator & I do all the limbs & shit, because I'm a self proclaimed superfan & it's spoiling it for me argument - but feel free....)
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm a fan of VAR for offside. I have listened to arguments against. I understand some people just don't want to use the line drawing technology & go back to the linesman's eye & flag. Fair enough.

But some people are saying (the equivalent of) "give them 20cm leeway" "if they're level they're not offside" "there needs to be daylight"

All those "solutions" do is move where you draw the lines. Currently, you can have someone 1cm offside. If you give them 20cm leeway, there'll be people 21cm offside. If you give them level, there'll be people 1cm off level. If you give them daylight, there'll be people 1cm short of daylight. There'll still be tight calls. I'm happy with it as it is.

(I'm not too fussed about the dick swinging oooohhhh I'm a big celebrator & I do all the limbs & shit, because I'm a self proclaimed superfan & it's spoiling it for me argument - but feel free....)
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Keep both VAR and the academy?

Wow.
 
Season has been spoilt for me somewhat by the stupid decision to introduce VAR. This technology has been shown in the years previous to be laughable so why introduce it here? Those three “offside” calls yesterday were absolutely embarrassing! You could claim Burn for Brighton was offside when the ball came in but AFCB players had several opportunities to clear the ball ffs. Pub defending.
VAR coupled with the new offside rule has badly effected the spectacle this season for proper football fans.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm a fan of VAR for offside. I have listened to arguments against. I understand some people just don't want to use the line drawing technology & go back to the linesman's eye & flag. Fair enough.

But some people are saying (the equivalent of) "give them 20cm leeway" "if they're level they're not offside" "there needs to be daylight"

All those "solutions" do is move where you draw the lines. Currently, you can have someone 1cm offside. If you give them 20cm leeway, there'll be people 21cm offside. If you give them level, there'll be people 1cm off level. If you give them daylight, there'll be people 1cm short of daylight. There'll still be tight calls. I'm happy with it as it is.

(I'm not too fussed about the dick swinging oooohhhh I'm a big celebrator & I do all the limbs & shit, because I'm a self proclaimed superfan & it's spoiling it for me argument - but feel free....)
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The point is we already know there is a margin of error with the VAR cameras because the frame rate isn’t quick enough to definitively say whether certain calls are offside or not. Essentially goals are being ruled out by pure guesswork.

The issue isn’t how tight the call is, it’s the fact that they genuinely cannot say for sure that it’s offside. All three yesterday I would suggest were within that margin and neither gained a significant advantage by being a nose hair offside. So why are we taking the video ASSISTANTS word as gospel when it doesn’t have a definitive answer? It’s there to help the ref not make decisions for him.

Just look at the shape of the ball in the freeze frame they’ve used for the Brighton goal and tell me that they can definitively say the exact moment the ball left the assisting players foot. You won’t be able to and that’s the exact point, the VAR refs are guessing, they don’t know but instead of letting it go they are ruling goals out. I’m sorry but it stinks.

The offside rule needs changing if we’re using VAR like this. All this armpit bollocks is completely taking the piss out of everyone involved in football. It has to be changed to waist down or knee down and give the advantage back to the attacking team.

There is a place for VAR in football but not like this. Mike Riley’s version has ruined it for everyone.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm a fan of VAR for offside. I have listened to arguments against. I understand some people just don't want to use the line drawing technology & go back to the linesman's eye & flag. Fair enough.

But some people are saying (the equivalent of) "give them 20cm leeway" "if they're level they're not offside" "there needs to be daylight"

All those "solutions" do is move where you draw the lines. Currently, you can have someone 1cm offside. If you give them 20cm leeway, there'll be people 21cm offside. If you give them level, there'll be people 1cm off level. If you give them daylight, there'll be people 1cm short of daylight. There'll still be tight calls. I'm happy with it as it is.

(I'm not too fussed about the dick swinging oooohhhh I'm a big celebrator & I do all the limbs & shit, because I'm a self proclaimed superfan & it's spoiling it for me argument - but feel free....)
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Scrap it.
Scrap it till it’s 100% accurate.
To be accurate senses would need to be implanted in the ball to determine the precise time of impact,then lasers will need to be used to determine the exact location of players body parts at the time of impact.
50fps cameras and a fuckin marker pen is laughable.
If it’s not 100% accurate it’s worse than useless.
If a system can parody itself and provide perfect evidence of it’s own inadequacy it’s fuckin VAR.
 

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