Transfer policy

[HeCanDoMagic]

Under Wilder particularly, a lot was made of the battle behind the scenes as to who had control of transfers.

Think it was widely acknowledged that CW wanted sole custody, even though the Prince's team had suggested some really good players that he turned down (ie Soucek).

Looking at the Berge, and Ahmedhodvic signing particularly, it seems the 'recruitment panel' have had much more input.

All things considered, I think they are proving themselves as quite astute and perhaps we should give them more credit than they have previously been afforded.

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

I think that Anel being one of their picks explains our willingness to spend that amount on him

 

[AWetFlannel]

Under Wilder particularly, a lot was made of the battle behind the scenes as to who had control of transfers.

Think it was widely acknowledged that CW wanted sole custody, even though the Prince's team had suggested some really good players that he turned down (ie Soucek).

Looking at the Berge, and Ahmedhodvic signing particularly, it seems the 'recruitment panel' have had much more input.

All things considered, I think they are proving themselves as quite astute and perhaps we should give them more credit than they have previously been afforded.

Did they only suggest really good players, or are they just the one's the Prince bragged about?

For every Soucek they suggested there were probably 5 flops, as is the case when any group of people guess if a signing will work out.

 

[BushBlade]

I thought he knows Jack Lester.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Did they only suggest really good players, or are they just the one's the Prince bragged about?

For every Soucek they suggested there were probably 5 flops, as is the case when any group of people guess if a signing will work out.

Is the difference that we didn’t sign their suggestions that were flops whereas - alongside some very astute signings - CW signed a few himself. Pre McBurnie where some of his midfield choices hardly played? Arguments either way, generally all based on biased supposition.

This constant CW v HRH blather is tiresome. Let’s move on.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Is the difference that we didn’t sign their suggestions that were flops whereas - alongside some very astute signings - CW signed a few himself. Pre McBurnie where some of his midfield choices hardly played? Arguments either way, generally all based on biased supposition.

This constant CW v HRH blather is tiresome. Let’s move on.

Agree with all of that.

The OP's point seemed to be that we should see them as astute and give them credit for the signings they suggested. I'm just pointing out that we don't really know because we didn't sign Soucek or the flops.

 

[Bell4]

What transfer policy ?

Who have we landed ? A goalie who was here already and a promising kid from city on loan - our policy if there is one is ditch whatever we can but we now play harder ball with buyers than in the past

 

[CPB]

Pleased with these two.
I mean I can only go on the reports and clips of course.
I'm also pleased because I'd class this business as early enough in the window too. So good work board.

Another few weeks without any newbies and I'd be concerned but this is good.

The more time preseason the better usually.

Is the inevitable going to happen with a big outgoing like Berge? Let's see. Be happy if we kept him, but should be leave I do hope some of his fee is reinvested.

P.S Berge wasnt simply a prince van winckel target. Mitchell had identified and Wilder was v.much wanted him.

Coulibaly was a Signing that wilder knew nothing about and actually was a big part of the relationship breaking down.

However doesn't matter now and I'm hopeful coulibaly will come good. After all it's nothing to do with him.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Is the difference that we didn’t sign their suggestions that were flops whereas - alongside some very astute signings - CW signed a few himself. Pre McBurnie where some of his midfield choices hardly played? Arguments either way, generally all based on biased supposition.

This constant CW v HRH blather is tiresome. Let’s move on.

Agree with this, and to clarify, my original post wasn't about Wilder v Board etc. It was just highlighting that they clearly have some very good ideas about transfers and when everyone is in unison it can have great benefit.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

Agree with this, and to clarify, my original post wasn't about Wilder v Board etc. It was just highlighting that they clearly have some very good ideas about transfers and when everyone is in unison it can have great benefit.

You mean some sort of trust between Wilder and the board in regards to Wilder not trusting the boards picks above his? We've all seen that list. It's all hypothetical now (well, it isn't, some of em are real good players). But you do get the impression, in hindsight, that Wilder was a bit more "I appreciate your input but we'll go with my choice anyway"

 

[Bladesman]

Under Wilder particularly, a lot was made of the battle behind the scenes as to who had control of transfers.

Think it was widely acknowledged that CW wanted sole custody, even though the Prince's team had suggested some really good players that he turned down (ie Soucek).

Looking at the Berge, and Ahmedhodvic signing particularly, it seems the 'recruitment panel' have had much more input.

All things considered, I think they are proving themselves as quite astute and perhaps we should give them more credit than they have previously been afforded.

Some of the players earmarked were all pretty decent to very good targets.

We were missing out on Wilder's first choices because they were English and expensive. Not that the club were not backing Wilder though when you look at the money he got to spend.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Some of the players earmarked were all pretty decent to very good targets.

We were missing out on Wilder's first choices because they were English and expensive. Not that the club were not backing Wilder though when you look at the money he got to spend.

He chased certain midfielders and got them. They hardly played. But ignore that and pretend it’s all one way. He made some great signings, made Coutts pretty much a legend - for me anyway - but let’s not pretend there were no fuck ups. There were several. It happens to all managers. Let’s stop rewriting history. For me he’s up there, provided memories we were in thrall too, success we were desperate for. Let’s give over with the poor victim mentality.

 

[Bell4]

What transfer policy ?

Who have we landed ? A goalie who was here already and a promising kid from city on loan - our policy if there is one is ditch whatever we can but we now play harder ball with buyers than in the past

Have I missed summat

 

[Champagneblade]

Pleased with these two.
I mean I can only go on the reports and clips of course.
I'm also pleased because I'd class this business as early enough in the window too. So good work board.

Another few weeks without any newbies and I'd be concerned but this is good.

The more time preseason the better usually.

Is the inevitable going to happen with a big outgoing like Berge? Let's see. Be happy if we kept him, but should be leave I do hope some of his fee is reinvested.

P.S Berge wasnt simply a prince van winckel target. Mitchell had identified and Wilder was v.much wanted him.

Coulibaly was a Signing that wilder knew nothing about and actually was a big part of the relationship breaking down.

However doesn't matter now and I'm hopeful coulibaly will come good. After all it's nothing to do with him.

I don't see the issue with Coulibaly being signed. The club decided to make a long term low risk, low cost (in the grand scheme of things) investment.

They didn't impose the signing on the manager. They didn't force him to pick him. It wasn't Chris' money they spent.

If they decided to upgrade a part of the ground for instance, they don't have to consult the manager or ask his permission to invest there.

If the investment created an option for the manager later, as it has done, then great. The club is bigger than one man and the manager has a specific job. He doesn't get to be in charge of all decisions unless he is manager and owner.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Under Wilder particularly, a lot was made of the battle behind the scenes as to who had control of transfers.

Think it was widely acknowledged that CW wanted sole custody, even though the Prince's team had suggested some really good players that he turned down (ie Soucek).

Looking at the Berge, and Ahmedhodvic signing particularly, it seems the 'recruitment panel' have had much more input.

All things considered, I think they are proving themselves as quite astute and perhaps we should give them more credit than they have previously been afforded.

It was revealed at a fan forum that Wilder presented the Bogle/Lowe deal and the transfer committee had a vote on whether to proceed. Wilder was initially outvoted but he eventually won them round and got the required votes to make the deal. It wasn't an autocracy, which implies collective responsibility imo. If you follow anyone's advice on the committee and support their judgement you are responsible too. You can't turn round and say 'it was it was his idea, I only supported it, but it's all his fault.You are empowered to say, bad move, I 'm against it. When the reckoning comes you see who was right or wrong.

The members of the committee have been in flux depending on which manager has been in charge and the staff they've had on the ground. Prestwich, Wilder, Knill, Mitchell and Bettis were all on the committee when CW was manager. Post Wilder it's a bit of a mystery who wields influence on the football side re transfers. I'm pretty sure it was publicised that Slav and his staff stepped in and that some of the other coaches have had a role (pretty sure Boothroyd was one, as well as some other youth coaches - i.e. Hecky before he became manager).

The rest of the committee depended on who was on the ground representing the Prince (family members, friends, business associates etc etc). It'd be interesting to know what the exact makeup of the transfer committee is in 2022?

I'm all for a collaborative transfer system, but I worry about accountability given the last few windows. Particularly when it comes to non football specialists (first team football staff are generally replaced when results go south, so I worry less about this, given the correlation between bad signings and results).

 

[Champagneblade]

Many of us were a little taken aback when Hecky was given such a long deal.

But it is apparent that the aim is not to have a boom or bust approach but to be far note structured.

He'll give young lads a chance but he also doesn't have to jettison youngsters to get funds to scamper for the next signing. We've not let so many young lads go, but we have let a fair few senior players leave so it's apparent that he's going to give them every chance to make it with us before moving them on. I'd expect a flurry of loans going out when we get back from Portugal.

Whilst he did well at Scunny and other clubs, Billy Sharp could have been a one club man more or less, with a little better planning. Three spells now. These could have been interspersed with occasional loans. His trajectory hasn't been so different to ours. Only regret is Wilder didn't have more faith in him than spending so heavily on fees instead.

I'm impressed with some of the thoughtful management of the club.

I like the fact that Hecky seems to be a good coach and player development is where he has an interest and the same with his staff. Lester seems to have left an impression on Ahmedhodžić for instance. Wilder was very much Manager and Knill coach whereas Hecky seems to be just as happy as the latter.

Bringing Tom Little from Preston, a team who were able to twice equalise against us late in games, is also a cute move and should help conditioning.

Despite the temptation as well, we haven't rushed headlong into deals for the sake of it.

Doyle is possibly the best player City will let out on loan and we've plenty of trust from the top level with how we developed Gibbs-White. Didn't he create something like more chances per 90 than anyone since he joined Cardiff?

Ahmedhodžić is a very cute signing. Taking advantage of Bordeaux's situation, not so dissimilar to us capturing Uremovic shows some ingenuity rather than just sticking to the UK market.

I'm interested to see how many he thinks we need. There is definitely more comfort at centre half that one more addition would bring. Then Lawrence seems likely. We're also tipped with a player who did well against us twice last season, who belongs to a PL team. Not many fit that bill. Must be Khadra. I'd forgotten about him until the other day. He'd be excellent.

 

[BlairBlade]

Did they only suggest really good players, or are they just the one's the Prince bragged about?

For every Soucek they suggested there were probably 5 flops, as is the case when any group of people guess if a signing will work out.

Better stats than Wilder had.

 

[CPB]

I don't see the issue with Coulibaly being signed. The club decided to make a long term low risk, low cost (in the grand scheme of things) investment.

They didn't impose the signing on the manager. They didn't force him to pick him. It wasn't Chris' money they spent.

If they decided to upgrade a part of the ground for instance, they don't have to consult the manager or ask his permission to invest there.

If the investment created an option for the manager later, as it has done, then great. The club is bigger than one man and the manager has a specific job. He doesn't get to be in charge of all decisions unless he is manager and owner.

When players are signed without any knowledge to the manager until they see them on the training ground it's usually not good.
The relationship had started to get fraught that summer too so it added to it.

Don't think hecky would be too pleased if that happened.

Doesn't matter now though.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

I think Wilder knows how to build a promotion side, I don’t think he knows how to build a premiership squad aiming for longevity. A little bit like Warnock. How many all British squads succeed in the prem?

I’m a fan of our current transfer policy, sign players with potential to be worth more. You can tell the prince likes his fantasy football!

 

[Drunk blade]

To get more than we paid for Ramsdale was very good work by the board, complete fraud of a keeper as arsenal and England fans are starting to realise, in the past we would have taken £2m and the promise of a friendly against arsenal reserves

 

[Gin&Juice]

Obviously looking at reducing the average age of the squad - think as well we're genuinely going for it this season as the league is significantly weaker compared to last. Bar Burnley - Norwich aren't spending, Watford are fucked financially until they offload a couple of big hitters, Birmingham and Reading could easily be the next Derby, Blackburn are skint, Boro don't have a strong squad in comparison, and aren't spending.

We're starting to create a core squad of younger players -

• Doyle could potentially sign if we went up, think he's in a weird position where others have overtaken his development at City, but is still PL quality.
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  Anel will want to improve and show that he can play English football with one eye on a bigger move, so there's no real risk there.
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  Brewster will want to prove a point and has another year of development.
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• Same with Bogle and Couilably
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• RND - came on leaps and bounds last season, be interesting to see how he plays at LCB as that's where he's been potentially earmarked. Also a full Wales international now.
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• N'Diaye - First season in proper football last season, can only improve and will want to.
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• Jebbison - Think he will stick around this season, looks like he's grafting more this pre-season with one eye on cementing himself in the squad.

 

[Nedski]

We're also tipped with a player who did well against us twice last season, who belongs to a PL team. Not many fit that bill. Must be Khadra. I'd forgotten about him until the other day. He'd be excellent

I'd be 100% behind getting Khadra in, he was very good against us

 

[CaptainMorgans]

There did seem a lot of smoke around Ugurcan Cakir, Emmanuel Dennis, Darwin Nunez, David Jonathan etc. also. All of whom would have been excellent additions.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

There did seem a lot of smoke around Ugurcan Cakir, Emmanuel Dennis, Darwin Nunez, David Jonathan etc. also. All of whom would have been excellent additions.

Wasn’t Nunez based on someone talking about Football Manager and social media taking it seriously, resulting in one of the gossip reports picking it up as genuine?

 

[brownblade]

To get more than we paid for Ramsdale was very good work by the board, complete fraud of a keeper as arsenal and England fans are starting to realise, in the past we would have taken £2m and the promise of a friendly against arsenal reserves

Fraud of a keeper?!

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Fraud of a keeper?!

Look who’s made the post.

 

[Champagneblade]

Just thought I'd share this. They paid 35m for him. Made me feel a little better about McBurnie...