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Just can't see us paying the wages, you've got average championship players on 30-40 grand a week, we'll never pay anything like that.
 



AnstonBlade1 said:
Just can't see us paying the wages, you've got average championship players on 30-40 grand a week, we'll never pay anything like that.
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Why?

We now have a much bigger revenue than any Championship club.
So if, as you say they are paying 30 to 40K a week, then if we have a much much bigger income
Then surely you can see why it’s illogical not to spend it, as we can now easily afford it.
The key is putting in relegation clauses and whether transfer targets will accept a salary reduction

But next season we can easily afford to pay players 50K a week, which Is 2.5 million in wages.
What’s 2.5 million between friends when annual revenues are 150 million.
 
South Bucks said:
As I understand it, money in the premiership is not dished out up front so significant pre season investment either needs a sugar daddy or a loan and we saw how easy it wasn't for us to get a loan a bit since and having to go to mickey mouse bank at high interest rates.

Hence not a lot without movement on the ownership issue.
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I think that being a bona fide PL club rather than a potential one will make it a tad easier to get a loan from a non-mickey mouse bank at a lower interest rate :)
 
It's Sheffield United we don't spend money!
All I'm saying is we won't be going out and spending 30-50 mil on players it just doesn't happen!
 
Sheffsteel said:
Why?

We now have a much bigger revenue than any Championship club.
So if, as you say they are paying 30 to 40K a week, then if we have a much much bigger income
Then surely you can see why it’s illogical not to spend it, as we can now easily afford it.
The key is putting in relegation clauses and whether transfer targets will accept a salary reduction

But next season we can easily afford to pay players 50K a week, which Is 2.5 million in wages.
What’s 2.5 million between friends when annual revenues are 150 million.
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We might be able to afford it next season but the question is sustainability if we end up in Fulham's position. There has to be a balance between providing resources to stay up but having a squad that can be maintained even if we go down.
 
we had a bottom half budget in championship never mind premier league. but its always been quality but value
 
The last time we were in the Premiership Warnock was only given £10mil to spend in the summer, which was peanuts. The team finishing 20th in the Premiership was expected to make at least £30mil in parachute payments that season, now it's £100mil.

Back then it was rare to see Championship clubs spend more than £1.5-2mil on a transfer fee. Skip forward to now and Championship clubs are spending £15mil on individual players.

I don't expect us to break the bank but I'd like to think that Wilder will get at least £20-25mil in the summer and a possible further £15mil in January. The remainder of the £100mil will be wrapped up in wages covering this season and the one after, in case we fail to stay up, so we can afford to keep the squad together.

If we only spend £10mil again this summer then I'd have huge question marks about what is going on with the running of this club, and where the money is going, and why the backing is the same as ten years ago despite huge changes in top flight financing.

I'm not saying that we necessarily need to spend huge amounts, and I don't think Wilder will as he's not attracted to household name players, but the board need to back him given what he's done for them over the last three seasons, and the little financial support he's had from them in doing it.
 
We have to be very careful. Start spunking 40k a week on wages and then get relegated we’re as fucked as everyone else who does the same and gets relegated. Parachute money only takes you so far.

20m max including loan fees and wages
 
AnstonBlade1 said:
Just can't see us paying the wages, you've got average championship players on 30-40 grand a week, we'll never pay anything like that.
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That’s based on the past. The landscape has changed. We have never had anything approaching the income we are about to receive. It’s uncharted territory. I think you’ll be surprised.
 
In this situation it’s probably best to look at all the other promoted teams and see what amounts they spent (data taken from Socerbase).

In 2017 the promoted clubs were as below; in their 1st season in the PL
Newcastle first season spent 34.25million, sales 13.8 million = NET SPEND 20.45 million
Brighton’s first season spent 53.8 million, no sales = NET SPEND 53.8 million
Huddersfield first season spent 29.8 million, sales 5 million = NET SPEND 24.8 million

Just for interests sake in their 2nd season
Newcastle spent 30 million, sales 14.2 million = NET SPEND 15.8 million
Brighton spent 58.5 million, sales 3.9 ,million = NET SPEND 54.6 million
Huddersfield spent 22.5 million, sales 10 million = NET SPEND 12.5 million

In 2018 the promoted clubs were as below and their transfer spending was
Wolves first season in the PL spent 48.9 million, sales 12 million = NET SPEND 36.9 million
Cardiff first season spent 21 million, no sales = NET SPEND 21 million
Fulham first season spent 108.3 million less 4 million sales - NET SPEND 104.3 million.

The above table is evidence that during the last 2 seasons in the first season in the top flight 6 clubs have spent a total of 261.25 million. That puts the average net transfer expenditure at 43.54 million.

The lowest any club has spent is 21 million by Cardiff last season.
Even penny pinching small club Huddersfield had a net spend of 24.8 million in their first season 2 years ago.

Do people really still think we’re only going to spend about 10 million on transfers?
The issue that might happen, is Wilder might only spend half the budget this Summer and deliberately hold back significant funds for the Jan20 window when he then knows who’s what he needs.
 
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sheffielder said:
We have to be very careful. Start spunking 40k a week on wages and then get relegated we’re as fucked as everyone else who does the same and gets relegated. Parachute money only takes you so far.

20m max including loan fees and wages
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On the other hand we ought to be reasonably bold to give us the best possible chance of staying up. Parachute money is no guarantee of a quick (indeed any) return.

Chucksummunnehatit!
 



Sheffsteel said:
In this situation it’s probably best to look at all the other promoted teams and see what amounts they spent (data taken from Socerbase).

In 2017 the promoted clubs were as below; in their 1st season in the PL
Newcastle first season spent 34.25million, sales 13.8 million = NET SPEND 20.45 million
Brighton’s first season spent 53.8 million, no sales = NET SPEND 53.8 million
Huddersfield first season spent 29.8 million, sales 5 million = NET SPEND 24.8 million

Just for interests sake in their 2nd season
Newcastle spent 30 million, sales 14.2 million = NET SPEND 15.8 million
Brighton spent 58.5 million, sales 3.9 ,million = NET SPEND 54.6 million
Huddersfield spent 22.5 million, sales 10 million = NET SPEND 12.5 million

In 2018 the promoted clubs were as below and their transfer spending was
Wolves first season in the PL spent 48.9 million, sales 12 million = NET SPEND 36.9 million
Cardiff first season spent 21 million, no sales = NET SPEND 21 million
Fulham first season spent 108.3 million less 4 million sales - NET SPEND 104.3 million.

The above table is evidence that during the last 2 seasons in the first season in the top flight 6 clubs have spent a total of 261.25 million. That puts the average net transfer expenditure at 43.54 million.

The lowest any club has spent is 21 million by Cardiff last season.
Even penny pinching small club Huddersfield had a net spend of 24.8 million in their first season 2 years ago.
Do people really still think we’re only going to spend about 10 million on transfers?
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Yes some do. They wallow in their Bladey Inferiority Complex. Others just say they do as part of an ongoing agenda against the club they claim to support.

I’m in neither category and that, when all’s said and done, is the most important thing.
 
Pinchy said:
Yes some do. They wallow in their Bladey Inferiority Complex. Others just say they do as part of an ongoing agenda against the club they claim to support..
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It’s funny how some people still haven’t grasped the reality of being in the PL.
I predict the inferiority complex will all change over the next 12 months
But then we’ll have the opposite problem of some of our fans being overbearing and arrogant.
 
We won't give anybody 40 grand a week just won't happen. He'll not want to upset the applecart by bringing big earners in when everyone else is on what 10-15k?
If people think we'll spend 10 mil on one player i think there in for a shock.
 
Blade58 said:
Extra £30m on top of existing wage bill

That £30m will be for fees and include any increase in wage bill

A few players will leave to reduce existing wage bill however
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What will we do with the other 140 million ?
 
I should coco said:
Is this one of those 'guess how many sweeties in the jar' threads?
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It’s a cross between that and ‘air your agenda’.

Apparently some posters already know the outcome of the court case and the intentions of our new owner, who is obviously going to be so stupid that rather than spend money on trying to stay up would rather not bother then subsequently lose £10m a year until we get back up again.
 
If Man U willing to sale how much would Henderson cost yall suppose? Or better for us now just to loan again?
 
I think we will spend 20m - 25m

On who though well who can say.
 
AnstonBlade1 said:
We won't give anybody 40 grand a week just won't happen. He'll not want to upset the applecart by bringing big earners in when everyone else is on what 10-15k?
If people think we'll spend 10 mil on one player i think there in for a shock.
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Most of our senior players will be earning a lot more than £10-15k now with promotion enhancements. £30-40k is not major money in the Premier league and I expect we will be paying out in this bracket. Hogan is is on that type of money and I'm sure we are paying it in full.
 
I hope we don't go and give silly contracts out or we'll end up in the same shit that the likes of villa,Derby, our friends across the city , stoke etc are in.
 
Niceguyeddie said:
What will we do with the other 140 million ?
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Could be way wrong and someone please correct me if I am wrong

We already have a £15-£20m wage bill so that means + £30m = we'll be at £50m

The £170m that you you quote includes parachute payments should we be relegated. Parachute payments total £70m over 3 years so we have £50m spare.

£10m put away for a rainy day in Jan window (CW likes to have a budget in Jan)

£10m for ground and academy improvements + any additional staff

A few bob in the bank, debt paying, and other running costs


You're not assuming that the £170m will go on squad building are you?
 
Sheffsteel said:
In Wilders latest interview he’s already inferred that when we were promoted from league 1 everyone said we needed to spend big on better players but he decided to give them a chance to impress and many met the challenge.

Next season Wilder is going into the unknown, so initial transfers are a bit of guess work.

Think we’ll spend a fairly modest 30 million, mainly on the best Championship players
CW will see what the situation is, then spend bigger the following season.

Basically he’ll copy what we’ve done over the past 2 seasons.
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If we had 30 mill and we tried to sign the best championship players that would get us at best 3 players. Giving the lads a chance is fair enough but we still need numbers.
 
Blade58 said:
Could be way wrong and someone please correct me if I am wrong

We already have a £15-£20m wage bill so that means + £30m = we'll be at £50m

The £170m that you you quote includes parachute payments should we be relegated. Parachute payments total £70m over 3 years so we have £50m spare.

£10m put away for a rainy day in Jan window (CW likes to have a budget in Jan)

£10m for ground and academy improvements + any additional staff

A few bob in the bank, debt paying, and other running costs


You're not assuming that the £170m will go on squad building are you?
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no ,i was hoping some of it might though, pointless getting promoted
 



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