Totally lost for words...

[Bladesman]

Im not having a pop at the club just the performance in a game which we should of won.

Although dont let that get in the way of people getting on their high :gallop: moaning at people who dare to be critical of a poor performance.

 

[Micalijo]

Tell you what I find very sad; people listing the the ten rules of 'knockers' or whatever it was and claim in a round about way that they have some kind of fulfilling life that others can only dream about.

Is there any point whatsoever in you being on here if you don't want to contribute anything about today's game or the club in general and instead post these childish lists?

 

[Blade]

Edwards/Bennet said they were surprised it went in. I did not hear him say nothing he could do about it.

Why is an opinion on a forum a rash statement? I have to watch what I say at work, not the same on here. If you disagree great, we'll have a debate but don't call it rash. It is fair game to criticise a player for whatever reason on here just the same as it si for you to stand up for him

Height helps you tip a 25 yarder round the post.

However, someone at the game said he was beaten by speed which is very concerning for me because he is meant to be I think one of these lively, agile keepers that you seem to prefer from reading between lines of your post.

If we assume that all pro keepers haev basic positional skills etc then I think 6 foot is not tall enough - it is a disadvantage when compared with say Leicester keeper.

Talking of which he was totally commanding in the area. I really cannot believe you think it is an attribute that he commands the area more than Kenny - I'm not sure he does but anyway I think they are both very poor in that department. What Kenny very rarely did though was let these low long range efforts in and I'd have him back tomorrow if we could.

It's not the opinion on a forum that is rash it's more that your opinion that his height had anything to do with the goal seems to be based purely on radio commentary without them mentioning anything of the sorts. Also coming at 17.04 without you having the opportunity to have deduced this after seeing the goal yourself it seems more like you have a pre-determined belief that he's too small and that conceding a goal from outside the box somehow allows you to put forth this opinion that it was a major factor in us losing. Again I wouldn't have such an issue with your view or call it rash if it came tomorrow or at least after you'd had chance to see the goal and there was any real evidence it did play a factor.

I'm not one to shout down people usually and certainly understand not everyone can get to every game, it's not about being a bigger blade (I couldn't afford to go down today). I do however believe that before seeing the evidence people should refrain from jumping to such wild conclusions.

I do agree though, it is fair game to criticise and to defend players and wouldn't want to suggest any different but I still think the rash comment was valid. Also who doesn't like agile, lively keepers? All goalkeepers come with pros and cons, I just don't think his height is a problem at all. That's not to say there may not be a problem, but up to now I can only remember one long shot where he should have done better and today's which I'd like to see myself before coming to my own conclusion.

 

[Come from away]

I guess if you want to knock Bunn you can pick apart my statement - I didn't know it was a test just trying to help. From what I could tell he did not have a clear view, couldn't see Kenny doing any better. I'd rather ask why nobody had pressure on the shooter.

 

[Foxy]

I guess if you want to knock Bunn you can pick apart my statement - I didn't know it was a test just trying to help. From what I could tell he did not have a clear view, couldn't see Kenny doing any better. I'd rather ask why nobody had pressure on the shooter.

Exactly my thoughts... The lad shouldn't have been allowed to get a shot in, and even then, he isn't going to strike it that well 8 times out of ten.

 

[Bladesway]

Tell you what I find very sad; people listing the the ten rules of 'knockers' or whatever it was and claim in a round about way that they have some kind of fulfilling life that others can only dream about.

Is there any point whatsoever in you being on here if you don't want to contribute anything about today's game or the club in general and instead post these childish lists?

Read what you like into my post, it was a bit of fun to poke people without a sense of humour with a pointy stick. Seems it struck a nerve.

I wonder if West Brom fans are having the same post mortem after a home defeat against Palace. We lose, it happens once in a while. What I cannot understand is why people like you sit in wait for a defeat and then talk about goals you heard on the radio.

Top 6 at this stage of the season is where we need to be. It is where we are, I'm struggling to see what else matters. There are things I would change myself and I would be happier seeing us play some football rather than going direct too often. I would also like us to play through the midfield, but I believe we have a manager who knows better than you or I. Let him do his job.

 

[Micalijo]

I've now seen the goals. There is no way a keeper should be letting that in. I am not a goalkeeping expert - obviously - but I have a perfectly valid opinion that 6 foot 2 is minimum requirement in pro game today.

Any smaller and they have to have incredible reflexes and positional sense.

I believe Bunn was too deep, therefore he didn't cut enough angle off for the possible long range strike. The kid hit it well yes but Bunn had left himself too much to do because positionally he was wrong. A taller keeper has a much greater chance of saving it.

I just don't rate him, simple as that and height is the main problem. The goals against Wendy and Swansea have been really disappointing from a GK perspective.

 

[SRBlade]

I'm lost for words, we lose for the 2nd time this season and we're going down to league 1!

oh well i'm sure everything will be hunky dory if we beat Ipswich.

Big praise for those who went to swansea though!

 

[GAZBLADE]

If Paddy let's that goal in, suddenly it turns into a fantastic strike. Bunny's in a no win situation with a lot of Blades fans. He's come into OUR club and done brilliantly IMO. And yes, if we beat Ipswich 3-0 suddenly we're great again.

 

[Ollessendro]

I've now seen the goals. There is no way a keeper should be letting that in. I am not a goalkeeping expert - obviously - but I have a perfectly valid opinion that 6 foot 2 is minimum requirement in pro game today.

Here are a couple of names for you to mull over:

Seamus Given
Iker Casillas
Fabian Barthez


Paddy is only 6 foot 1!?

Right behind the second goal, ball moved inside to out and just off post - thought Bunn had it at first - beat by speed.

Blumin eck. My grandma would have got down and saved that. If it had been a vidal sasoon hair wax flying at him I bet he'd have stopped it. Bunn has let in 2 very soft goals in the last few games. He has the potential to be a decent keeper, but these 25+ yard mediocore efforts have to be stopped. That pea roller on Saturday should have got nowhere near the net!

 

[Micalijo]

Totally accept that Given is a very decent keeper.

I know I'm repeating myself but what I want (what anyone wants in a keeper) is a mixture of physical presence, good agility, bravery and good positional sense with exceptional kicking and feet a bonus. I quite often think that the tall, lanky keepers like Kirkland say lack the out and out bravery of smaller keepers who need it to be noticed, but it is more important for me on balance that they have the extra inches. Cech is massive but looks very shaky to me now so it isn't the be all and end all. My simple concern is that Bunn isn't good enough for us.

I personally put extra emphasis on presence - I think it makes a massive difference. I don't think Bunn has any presence. It upsets the defence and I'm now convinced following the 2 long range strikes that he aint up to it on any of the criteria as they would apply to a top CCC club looking for a 1st choice keeper - apart from probably bravery and distribution.

All keepers make mistakes but my favourites are Van Der Saar, James, Buffon and Reina, and Leicester's keeper from the other week.

 

[Ollessendro]

Totally accept that Given is a very decent keeper.

I know I'm repeating myself but what I want (what anyone wants in a keeper) is a mixture of physical presence, good agility, bravery and good positional sense with exceptional kicking and feet a bonus. I quite often think that the tall, lanky keepers like Kirkland say lack the out and out bravery of smaller keepers who need it to be noticed, but it is more important for me on balance that they have the extra inches. Cech is massive but looks very shaky to me now so it isn't the be all and end all. My simple concern is that Bunn isn't good enough for us.

I personally put extra emphasis on presence - I think it makes a massive difference. I don't think Bunn has any presence. It upsets the defence and I'm now convinced following the 2 long range strikes that he aint up to it on any of the criteria as they would apply to a top CCC club looking for a 1st choice keeper - apart from probably bravery and distribution.

All keepers make mistakes but my favourites are Van Der Saar, James, Buffon and Reina, and Leicester's keeper from the other week.

What about Spain's number 1, rated as one of the top keepers in the world by many, Eurpoean Championship winner, Champions League winner and several time La Liga winning 6ft keeper?

Or even World Cup, Eurpoean Championship winning, Champions League, Premier League and French league winning 5ft 11 inch keeper?

You don't like the guy. You don't rate his presence. You think he can't save shots. Fair enough. But this whole less than 6ft stuff is nonsense. I've just named 3 international keepers who are under 6 foot and have been sucessful in the modern game. I'm sure there are more expections to your rule, but those where off the top of my head. Care to back track?

 

[Micalijo]

I agree with you Ollie - just that I have seen much more of Given.

I've stressed many times on here that height is my preference - what is wrong with that? I totally accept that a smaller keeper can be exceptionally good.

I feel that very simply, a taller keeper with basic positional skills would have prevented Swansea's winner. I believe we could have found one even on a limited budget - no idea who but that's not my job.

 

[La_Blade]

I reckon Bunn is at least as good as Kenny, maybe better. Yes he's been unfortunate in the last two games, but I think it just shows he needs to be more aware of danger from distance. Especially as now opposition managers are likely to advise to shoot on site on the off chance he's not switched on. From our point of view the back 4, and midfield to a certain extent must close the ball down quicker from around 20-25 yards out.
One thing that does impress me about Bunn is his command of the area, he's not afraid to come and collect the ball, or clear it into touch when faced with his own defenders running back towards their own goal. Kenny used to get his wires crossed with outfield players from time to time, as well as race opposition strikers into the channels to get the ball. Whereas Bunn makes up his mind and clears the ball out or catches it.

 

[Stafford Blade]

absolutely crucifying the blades and the keeper, all based on what he's heard on the radio. LOL!

Get a grip man! what about the great save he made from tudgay when it was 1-0 last week?

 

[silverfox]

absolutely crucifying the blades and the keeper, all based on what he's heard on the radio. LOL!

I have a real problem with people who make judgements with one persons view on the radio.

I even have a problem with my own judgement with the Television. The pitch never moves when I'm at a match!!!!!

I much prefer my own judgement at a match or hearing from people that were there who I trust will give me a view of which I'm confident in.

Radio and TV is geared up for making the public react.

And they do!

 

[Micalijo]

absolutely crucifying the blades and the keeper, all based on what he's heard on the radio. LOL!

Get a grip man! what about the great save he made from tudgay when it was 1-0 last week?

Slightly wrong their Stafford.

I did not crucify 'the Blades' based on what I'd heard on Radio. I'm happy to slate our style of play if you want but also think this term has been better in the entertainment department. I didn't criticise our performance on Saturday as far as I can remember - because I didn't go and it wasn't on TV. I'm not that daft.

I did, quite rightly in my opinion having seen the replays, suggest that Bunn was to blame for the goal. OK I should have waited and stated I'd happily retract, if it was unstoppable, but I'd be saying exactly the same general things about Bunn ie - not good enough, not experienced enough for top CCC club first choice, accident waiting to happen. That's my opinion - you rate him so fair enough eh?

You must be another of this lot who actually prefer making bland criticisms of people who dare question SUFC rather than us having a decent keeper, a successful club, a bright and vibrant manager etc, etc.

That save re Wendy - fairly regulation but yes a decent stop. Would expect any CCC keeper to save that straight at him.

 

[cooperblade]

I think loads of people have been far too quick to make up their minds about Bunn.

I was amazed by the number of people who had decided that it was good riddance to Paddy Kenny and that we'd found a great replacement before Bunn had actually made a save of note. Some of those people doubtless feel like they shouldn't change their opinion based on a couple of errors (and I think the goals v wednesday and Swansea were errors) and continue to defend Bunn.

It's probably still a bit early to state with any certainty whether or not Bunn is going to be a good medium to long-term replacement for Kenny. He's only a young lad and he hasn't really been tested in many of the games so far. I was impressed with him at Pride Park when he came for a lot more crosses and I was disappointed with him against wednesday and Swansea.

Hopefully he'll prove himself over the next few weeks and cut out the mistakes. If not, Bennett should get another chance.

 

[NN6]

cooper...spot on...of the games I've seen he's done well but he definitely looked at fault for Elijas free kick when I was at the ground and even more so on the box. I think he commands his area better than Kenny but looks a bit slow to get down to shots on the ground. For a loanee he's above average but its much too soon for everyone to be writing Kenny off.

 

[Ollessendro]

I've now seen the goals. There is no way a keeper should be letting that in. I am not a goalkeeping expert - obviously - but I have a perfectly valid opinion that 6 foot 2 is minimum requirement in pro game today.

If we assume that all pro keepers haev basic positional skills etc then I think 6 foot is not tall enough - it is a disadvantage when compared with say Leicester keeper.

....other than to say we have a joke keeper in net. Too SMALL. One 25-30yarder is a concern, another one is confirmation that he aint up to it. Been saying it from day one and please accept I am right.
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A few quotes above implyying that Bunn's lack of height is the main problem.

I agree with you Ollie - just that I have seen much more of Given.

I've stressed many times on here that height is my preference - what is wrong with that? I totally accept that a smaller keeper can be exceptionally good.

I feel that very simply, a taller keeper with basic positional skills would have prevented Swansea's winner. I believe we could have found one even on a limited budget - no idea who but that's not my job.

Now you appear to be back tracking Micaljo!? If you don't rate Bunn then that's fair enough. It's your opinion, but coming out with a statement that a pro goalkeeper needs to be 6ft 2 inch is just bullshit.

Would you not prefer to have Shay Given ibetween the sticks? Should Real Madrid and Spain drop Casillas because he is not quite 6ft?? (that is smaller than Bunn by the way). I guess Fabian Barthez should have not played in France's world cup and european championship winning teams because he was not 6 ft 2???

Care to retract your statement(s) about height being Bunn's main problem?

 

[Ollessendro]

Hear hear Cooper. Jury is still out on Bunn. He has shown some promise and also made a couple of errors. He got away with it against Wednesday but efficitvely costs us the game against Swansea. I must say on balance that he has done a reasonable job so far. I don't think fans realised what a major blow losing Kenny was (you don't know what you've got til it's gone) and we should be thankful that even though we lost our first choice keeper (possibly best outside the prem) that we have someone who has gone straight in and filled his boots ( ..... or gloves so to speak).

 

[Cheshire Cat]

It's probably still a bit early to state with any certainty whether or not Bunn is going to be a good medium to long-term replacement for Kenny. He's only a young lad and he hasn't really been tested in many of the games so far. I was impressed with him at Pride Park when he came for a lot more crosses and I was disappointed with him against wednesday and Swansea.

Hopefully he'll prove himself over the next few weeks and cut out the mistakes. If not, Bennett should get another chance.

Don't be daft - this is the internet age, it is mandatory to make up our minds after 5 minutes and then fight for our right for an oppinion! Also with a bit of luck noone will notice that our oppinions constantly contradict themselves - but if they do we can have a rethink because this is a dynamic world we live in.

 

[Micalijo]

I think you're going a bit over the top Ollie.

I obviously do not believe that you HAVE to be 6 foot 2 to be a pro keeper. I said it was my OPINION.

If I were a manager that would be my starting point - ie 6 foot 2. It doesn't mean I would ignore Given or Casillas but yes it would come into the equation if I had say £15m to spend on a keeper.

I really think I have been clear throughout that my OPINION is that Bunn's main weakness is his height and presence.