Totally and utterly... errrm... hopeful

[Houso]

I was going to write an entirely contrasting counterpoint to Torrix's suicide note, but obviously, even the most optimistic of Blades isn't running around with a grin on their face at the moment.

That said, I cannot for the life of me understand the doom and gloom that pervades a unhealthy chunk of our supporter base at the moment.

- We've screamed and screamed for a new man in charge for months now, and it's finally happened with a young and respected legend of the game taking over.

- We've incessantly criticised our style of play, and in the last match, there was clear signs of intent with the ball staying on the floor and very few long punts forward throughout.

- Some have lamented that we couldn't sign players on loan from top Prem clubs, nor could we make use of foreign players. Both these points have been disproven by two players in our back four.

- Youth not being given a chance has been a crutch that a few have leaned on for seasons, but this season (mainly through lack of depth admittedly), we have blooded three academy prospects in first team action.

- The lack of a Michael Brown style figure in the middle has been apparent since he left, but Leon Britton has been signed over lots of competition and he looked outstanding on Saturday.

Obviously, on the other side of the argument, there are things wrong.
- our sister clubs are not contributing anything thus far despite the investment in them. Chengdu in particular went spectacularly wrong.
- our debt is worrying, though it's difficult to make heads nor tails of this without a qualification in forensic accounting.
- and yes, we are relying far too heavily on loans again this season when we said we wouldn't.

I refuse to put attendances on the list above as I see that as the fault of the supporters rather than the club. We'll hear people say they'll support the club through thick and thin, but that's bollocks isn't it? They'll support the club when they're doing well is what they mean in reality.

For a handful to say they haven't felt this low as a Blade is staggering and they clearly view the past with through a rose coloured aperture. The past was about constant struggle, with owners and chairmen who hated the club and its support. It was never about football, and what football it WAS about was friggin awful.

I'm not going to persuade those who have complained this morning (and who have conveniently shifted their complaints to other targets), but likewise, they're not going to persuade me that life as a Blade is at its lowest.

It quite clearly isn't.

 

[creswell blade]

I was going to write an entirely contrasting counterpoint to Torrix's suicide note, but obviously, even the most optimistic of Blades isn't running around with a grin on their face at the moment.

That said, I cannot for the life of me understand the doom and gloom that pervades a unhealthy chunk of our supporter base at the moment.

- We've screamed and screamed for a new man in charge for months now, and it's finally happened with a young and respected legend of the game taking over.

- We've incessantly criticised our style of play, and in the last match, there was clear signs of intent with the ball staying on the floor and very few long punts forward throughout.

- Some have lamented that we couldn't sign players on loan from top Prem clubs, nor could we make use of foreign players. Both these points have been disproven by two players in our back four.

- Youth not being given a chance has been a crutch that a few have leaned on for seasons, but this season (mainly through lack of depth admittedly), we have blooded three academy prospects in first team action.

- The lack of a Michael Brown style figure in the middle has been apparent since he left, but Leon Britton has been signed over lots of competition and he looked outstanding on Saturday.

Obviously, on the other side of the argument, there are things wrong.
- our sister clubs are not contributing anything thus far despite the investment in them. Chengdu in particular went spectacularly wrong.
- our debt is worrying, though it's difficult to make heads nor tails of this without a qualification in forensic accounting.
- and yes, we are relying far too heavily on loans again this season when we said we wouldn't.

I refuse to put attendances on the list above as I see that as the fault of the supporters rather than the club. We'll hear people say they'll support the club through thick and thin, but that's bollocks isn't it? They'll support the club when they're doing well is what they mean in reality.

For a handful to say they haven't felt this low as a Blade is staggering and they clearly view the past with through a rose coloured aperture. The past was about constant struggle, with owners and chairmen who hated the club and its support. It was never about football, and what football it WAS about was friggin awful.

I'm not going to persuade those who have complained this morning (and who have conveniently shifted their complaints to other targets), but likewise, they're not going to persuade me that life as a Blade is at its lowest.

It quite clearly isn't.

fair points fella. There are things too look forward too and yes we have got what we wanted in one respect but i think some of the fans are just tired of been fed crap and ending up disapointed yet again. no this isnt the worst the blades have been in but its not good. ive been a blade since i was a nipper and althought i was spitting feathers and ranting and complaining yesterday il always remain a blade

 

[Fiery Blade]

At the Forum McCabe spoke about being positive, being a Blade and that Promotion was their aim - three matches into the new season we have sacked our manager, missed the deadline for anymore permanent signings, kept Ellis, and relying on Montgomery as our creative player. Our defence is made up of 75% loan players we have two long term injuries yet to kick a ball and have struggled to fill the bench with substitutes!

 

[Houso]

So, was sacking the manager not a positive move? I take it by that you'd prefer Blackwell in charge.

How is Monty our creative player?

Is promotion still not our aim? Even if it's going to be tough to attain, it's still our aim.

 

[beechblade]

At the Forum McCabe spoke about being positive, being a Blade and that Promotion was their aim - three matches into the new season we have sacked our manager, missed the deadline for anymore permanent signings, kept Ellis, and relying on Montgomery as our creative player. Our defence is made up of 75% loan players we have two long term injuries yet to kick a ball and have struggled to fill the bench with substitutes!

Our defence was made up of 75% of loan players for one game, it'll be back down to 50% next game, I really would like this to be down to just one loan player but I like the look of two of the players, frankly Nosworthy as many others have said is clearly entertainment but that can be both good and bad, I would expect Morgan to be picked ahead of him.

I'm disappointed that we haven't brought anyone in and not keen on the reliance of loans but I'm not going to get totally disheartened about it, but there are plenty of things to look forward to its not all grey. Disappointing yes, end of the world , end of Speed because his hands are tied, unproven yet, let the man work, lets see whats happening in a few weeks before we get to frustrated.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Whilst I am extremely pleased that Blackwell has gone a more positive move would have been to make the change in the summer then:
a) Season Ticket sales may have held up better
b) Speedo could have chosen his own players to bring in!
c) We wouldn't have signed Kozluk (waste of wages money)
d) We possibly wouldn't have signed Boggy (who can't get a start despite Henderson missing)
e) Speedo has already spotted that we need pace - perhaps we could have used the wages of Boggy and Kozzy to fund it !

If Monty is not our 'Creative Midfield Player@ who is - both Ertl and Britton are defensive midfielders with far better footballing skills than Monty !

If promotion is the aim isn't the object to score more goals than the opposition - we have scored two goals to date and only had four shots on goal - not really a push for promotion is it!

 

[Fiery Blade]

Our defence was made up of 75% of loan players for one game, it'll be back down to 50% next game, I really would like this to be down to just one loan player but I like the look of two of the players, frankly Nosworthy as many others have said is clearly entertainment but that can be both good and bad, I would expect Morgan to be picked ahead of him.

I'm disappointed that we haven't brought anyone in and not keen on the reliance of loans but I'm not going to get totally disheartened about it, but there are plenty of things to look forward to its not all grey. Disappointing yes, end of the world , end of Speed because his hands are tied, unproven yet, let the man work, lets see whats happening in a few weeks before we get to frustrated.

I wouldn't be certain about the CB positions - Wenger has not allowed Bartley to come on loan for the season to sit on the bench and as bad as Nosworthy can be he is one of the top earners at the Lane I would be surprised if both the management and the player would be happy with him sat on the bench !

 

[Houso]

Britton is a defensive midfielder in the same way that Michael Brown was (when he played for us). He's box to box, but sits in front of the back 4 to dictate play. That doesn't make him defensive.

Nice to see you've written off Bogdanovic already! The reason he hasn't started is because he's not going to start in front of Evans or Cresswell in the short term. This will change if both continue their poor form.

And yes, we're not going for promotion for the reason you state. Do you genuinely believe that point?

That said, I agree it would have been better to have Speed in earlier. And for Koz not to have signed.

 

[beechblade]

I wouldn't be certain about the CB positions - Wenger has not allowed Bartley to come on loan for the season to sit on the bench and as bad as Nosworthy can be he is one of the top earners at the Lane I would be surprised if both the management and the player would be happy with him sat on the bench !

I fully understand that, and thats the frustating thing for me with Nos's loan, the money there could have possibly gone to two players wages, but that was Blackwells choice, Speed can pick who he wants but I'd still think he'd prefer Morgan as a starting option, we'll see what happens next game if he's back to fitness.

 

[beechblade]

If promotion is the aim isn't the object to score more goals than the opposition - we have scored two goals to date and only had four shots on goal - not really a push for promotion is it!

No that isn't great but considering the fact that analysis of a match (according to Level 1 FA Player and Match Analysis course) says its normally 4 shots on target to the 1 goal then we are a head of standard

To actually analysis the facts though it has to be over 10 games, and we aren't there yet, lets see what happens next game.

Lets do as Speed has to do and work with what we have got. Lets get behind them, they are still wearing the red and white of our beloved club, lets see if we can lift them as well (that can aid performance) lets just try to not focus too much on whats happening with the boardroom, lets focus on those on the pitch.

 

[Wards]

I'm with you Houso, more positives than negatives for me.

Whilst it would've been nice for us to get a couple of new lads in I'm still more than happy with the progress.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Britton isn't a defensive midfielder, he is a playmaker who is best used from deep spraying the ball around. He has supplied the pass for both of our league goals so far, and the main problem is that there is no movement, width or pace in front of him. This need addressing desperately, which is why I find yesterday so disappointing after earlier statements from the club offering hope that it would be.

We'll see what happens in the loan window, maybe we will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[SteelCity Blade]

At the Forum McCabe spoke about being positive, being a Blade and that Promotion was their aim - three matches into the new season we have sacked our manager, missed the deadline for anymore permanent signings, kept Ellis, and relying on Montgomery as our creative player. Our defence is made up of 75% loan players we have two long term injuries yet to kick a ball and have struggled to fill the bench with substitutes!

So, was sacking the manager not a positive move? I take it by that you'd prefer Blackwell in charge.

How is Monty our creative player?

Is promotion still not our aim? Even if it's going to be tough to attain, it's still our aim.

One is being too pessimistic and the other is being too optimistic. Personally, I always try to look at the glass as half full but in this case I agree with a lot of the concerns voiced by Fiery (apart from the Monty point).....

Fiery - The point you make about 75% loan players in the defence is a critical one for me. I cant help feeling a little lied to by the hierarchy who insisted we wouldnt be reliant on the loan market this season. I actually took some heart from the comments at the fans forum and bought my season ticket on the strength of it. I dont ask for the earth and never feel that United are obliged to spend lots of money but a promise is a promise and that is essentially what it was.......so I am similarly irked by it as you are.

The Blackwell sacking was just a joke. Not because it wasnt the right thing, simply because the timing was horrible and its at least the second cock-up in terms of a football decision that we have seen in the last 2-3 years. Appointing Robson was the first. We have literally lost a whole summer and as a result we will probably lose a whole season. I hope not but thats my honest view from what ive seen on the pitch. Our squad is indeed painfully thin as you rightly point out and the fact that we have not made a move in the transfer window is probably more down to a lack of provisions than the manager's choosing. Speed has been quick to provide a front for the club but lets face it.....how many new managers are going to complain about lack of funds in their third week in the job???? Its in his interest to shield the directors so being a good lad and saying "I'm not rushing to spend money" is sensible and who can blame him.

Houso - The sacking of the manager would have been a positive move if it had happened 3 or 4 months earlier. Sadly by the time the decision had been taken it was far too late and has given the new boss a mountain to climb. Agreed it had to happen but all far far too late. I dont always believe in better late than never.

Absolutely agree that Monty is not our creative player and it would be daft to suggest that. The furthest man up the pitch (in midfield terms) does not necessarily have to be the creative one. It depends how you set your stall out and a lot of teams choose to put their playmaker in front of the back four as we are doing. Mainly because that suits Britton. It can be easy sometimes to have a rigid view of tactics and positioning and think that the furthest man up is attacking....we all fall into that trap from time to time.

Here's the big question...."Is promotion our aim?"

I've gone over this in my head a million times trying to read TB and KM's minds. I cant believe for a minute that they wouldn't want the windfall that comes with promotion, despite their apparent refusal to invest serious money into the team. This only leads me to one conclusion....they want to go up but they want to drop lucky and do it on the cheap! They have seen Blackpool, Burnley and one or two others get in through the back door having spent nothing....so football fans / people having the imagination that they do, they'll think "well we can do that! why spend all that money when we could do a Blackpool." Sadly it doesnt work like that. Different clubs, differen mind set. Its a case of wanting it all but not being prepared to speculate first. I think that is where the truth lies.

 

[Houso]

I don't see what's particularly optimistic about my post, but never mind.

We're in one of two positions at the moment, and there's evidence for both:
1) Speed is being truthful that he has money to spend, but didn't want to risk wasting it. Indeed, this would need Barry Fry to be lying (*snigger*) and the admitted moves for players like Andrew Surman in the summer being 'works'.
2) Speed is being dishonest and has no money. We're skint and can't afford to give him any. This seems, to me, to me closer to the truth if I'm honest. I reckon we're treading water and not risking anything until investment is confirmed. That said, Blackwell clearly had some cash in the summer; otherwise we wouldn't have got Britton and Nosworthy considering their relative wages.

Either way, promotion is still an aim, as it always will be. Being the best club in the world is our aim, but it doesn't mean we can do anything to achieve it.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Day.Rome.In.Wasn't.A.Built.

Rearrange etc...

 

[Fiery Blade]

Its the TRUTH that counts:
If McCabe would have stood up at the end of season forum (two sessions) and stated:
1) We Have no money to speculate in the transfer market
2) We have an extremely limited wage budget so signing Premier League players is definitely out of the question
3) We are looking to strengthen the squad looking for promising youngsters in the lower leaguers and develop their talent
4) We are looking to develop our own academy
5) We are looking to appoint Gary Speed as our new manager once a severance package has been arranged for Mr Blackwell
6) With the very limited resources we are looking to develop a team to pay attacking entertaining football
7) We need the supporters to be behind us to develop this ethos
8) Our aim is to finish as high as possible in the Championship
9) If we get into play offs/ promotion then the success should enhance the funding for the future
10) We are looking to support the new manager in any way we can given the budget

Then fans may have taken a different view, renewed their ST's and given the club their full backing
Instead lies,lies,lies making everyones anticipation and expectation sky high and come crashing down when things don't going accortding to plan!

 

[Ollessendro]

the key word to this is in the title of the thread ..... 'hopeful'

forlorn hope in my eyes. You can hope all you want but our track record suggests that we are going nowhere.

So let's follow in Houso's vein of positivity and hope for the best. If we all hope hard enough and at the same time then maybe we can address some of the following:

- let's hope we won't be skint anymore
- let's hope we get out of the recession soon and/or some investment comes along from somewhere
- let's hope that cheap as chips mark II turns out to be a good manager
- let's hope that cheap as chips mark II brings in his own players before the deadline .... oh hang on. with what? Oh, it's passed. Well let's hope he brings in a few decent loans.
- let's hope that the other teams in the division are shit and we stay up
- let's hope that Monty suddenly turns in to a creative, composed midfielder
- let's hope that Cresswell and Evans can start shooting accurately
- let's hope that some players can develop some pace
- let's hope that people start wanting to watch us again
- let's hope that Blackwell's wife stops making the pies
- let's hope that Ellis gets sacked from making the Bovril

I've got sunshine on a cloudy day .......

 

[Houso]

I've addressed most of those bits in previous posts, so let's have another bunch of hopes:

- let's hope that a section of our support grows up and stops acting like spoilt children
- let's hope that the same group doesn't get so offended when someone disagrees
- let's hope that rather than claiming they speak the 'Truth', they admit to speaking Opinion.
- let's hope they cut out the boring cliches and 'amusing' nicknames that irritate most other supporters who have the slightest semblance of a sense of humour
- let's hope that they realise that no matter how many times they speak the same opinion, it's not going to change the minds of those who disagree

 

[SteelCity Blade]

Its the TRUTH that counts:
If McCabe would have stood up at the end of season forum (two sessions) and stated:
1) We Have no money to speculate in the transfer market
2) We have an extremely limited wage budget so signing Premier League players is definitely out of the question
3) We are looking to strengthen the squad looking for promising youngsters in the lower leaguers and develop their talent
4) We are looking to develop our own academy
5) We are looking to appoint Gary Speed as our new manager once a severance package has been arranged for Mr Blackwell
6) With the very limited resources we are looking to develop a team to pay attacking entertaining football
7) We need the supporters to be behind us to develop this ethos
8) Our aim is to finish as high as possible in the Championship
9) If we get into play offs/ promotion then the success should enhance the funding for the future
10) We are looking to support the new manager in any way we can given the budget

Then fans may have taken a different view, renewed their ST's and given the club their full backing
Instead lies,lies,lies making everyones anticipation and expectation sky high and come crashing down when things don't going accortding to plan!

Despite your down-beat view I find it difficult to disagree with most of that. For one, I would have been happy to renew my season ticket off the back of the above points. So all the promises and suggestions made at the fans forum were un-necessary and misleading for the average fan (i.e. myself).

I'm not totally without hope. I think we have a few decent players and could have a slim chance of doing ok if we can put a run together but in my heart of hearts it seems unlikely. As you say, if they had been honest from the outset and acted positively regarding Blackwell back then....I would have been satisfied. I just feel a little mugged to be honest but thats partly my own fault for believing a load of shite when ive heard it all before.

I dont like to call anyone a liar and even in this case it seems a little strong. I like to look at it as the directors being 'economical with the truth.'

 

[raul]

Day.Rome.In.Wasn't.A.Built.

Rearrange etc...

Wasn't Rome built in a day?

Next.....

 

[travellingblade]

I've been really down since the beginning of the season.

I wanted us to give the job to Speed, not because I believed he was the best man for the job, but for the integrity of the club. (Why else refuse him permission to speak to Swansea).

However, since he's taken over, nothing has really changed.... we still got Sam, and all the players that have let us and Blackwell down for years.

So Speed is trying to change our style, but I'm a believer in "horses for courses"...... you cannot make a thoroughbred to jump over hurdles, nor turn a speelchaser into a Derby winner, and same with our players.

I just cannot see where the goals are going to come from!!!!

Then I look at the League table and see that we've already played the top two, and that includes taking the only points off Cardiff, plus we narrowly lost to Boro' thanks (?) to a major blunder by Morgan, who is Mr Dependable, so maybe it's not all doom and gloom.

I'm happy to wait and see what happens over the next half a dozen matches before I finally make up my mind.

 

[Ollessendro]

I've addressed most of those bits in previous posts, so let's have another bunch of hopes:

- let's hope that a section of our support grows up and stops acting like spoilt children
- let's hope that the same group doesn't get so offended when someone disagrees
- let's hope that rather than claiming they speak the 'Truth', they admit to speaking Opinion.
- let's hope they cut out the boring cliches and 'amusing' nicknames that irritate most other supporters who have the slightest semblance of a sense of humour
- let's hope that they realise that no matter how many times they speak the same opinion, it's not going to change the minds of those who disagree

you feeling a bit hot under the collor Houso? Oh and don't worry the insults don't upset me. And the lack of agreement is why I post on here. It wouldn't be any fun if Mic, Lenners, Torrix, Fiery and I were moanaing and groaning at each other would it? We need a few 'clappers' to debate with. If yourself, Dunc, Matt B, Soton and SV where not taking time out from clapping to oppose our doomsday opinions then I'd get no entertainment at all.

 

[Trigger Blade]

Oh and don't worry the insults don't upset me

Yeh right, I can't speak for anybody else, but I believe you.....

 

[Houso]

Thing is Olle, it's so easy to slag off the club at every turn, but it's much harder work to be optimistic and defend the club.

Back in the days of BU, the same debate was raging prior to the promotion season. McCabe was being criticised for lack of investment and Warnock was seen as the wrong man to take us forward. Day in, day out, the club would be lambasted, but when the crunch came and we were promoted, those 'knockers' could say "wow, we were wrong, I'm shocked we got promoted but well done to all those involved". Being so far from correct was ultimately cushioned by the joy of promotion and the knowledge that their complaints would be forgotten in a sub-conscious amnesty for the pessimistic.

On the other hand, those who defend the club have no such security to fall back on. When SUFC fails, those optimists fail in turn, and the pessimistic amonsgt us rub their faces in it with glee. This at a time when the club is on its knees for whatever reason. It's double the pain and makes the pessimistic seem doubly spiteful at finding happiness in times of anguish.

So, I suppose what I'm saying is that I understand why you're the way you are. It's easy and it's safe... the perfect combination for the weak and fearful.

If you need a hug or a chat, you know where I am.

:gallop:

 

[Oreyt]

Thing is Olle, it's so easy to slag off the club at every turn, but it's much harder work to be optimistic and defend the club.

Back in the days of BU, the same debate was raging prior to the promotion season. McCabe was being criticised for lack of investment and Warnock was seen as the wrong man to take us forward. Day in, day out, the club would be lambasted, but when the crunch came and we were promoted, those 'knockers' could say "wow, we were wrong, I'm shocked we got promoted but well done to all those involved". Being so far from correct was ultimately cushioned by the joy of promotion and the knowledge that their complaints would be forgotten in a sub-conscious amnesty for the pessimistic.

On the other hand, those who defend the club have no such security to fall back on. When SUFC fails, those optimists fail in turn, and the pessimistic amonsgt us rub their faces in it with glee. This at a time when the club is on its knees for whatever reason. It's double the pain and makes the pessimistic seem doubly spiteful at finding happiness in times of anguish.

So, I suppose what I'm saying is that I understand why you're the way you are. It's easy and it's safe... the perfect combination for the weak and fearful.

If you need a hug or a chat, you know where I am.

Nice post, sums up how I see it.

(Horsey removed at request of Equine Equality)

 

[Ted Danson]

Its the TRUTH that counts:
If McCabe would have stood up at the end of season forum (two sessions) and stated:
1) We Have no money to speculate in the transfer market
2) We have an extremely limited wage budget so signing Premier League players is definitely out of the question
3) We are looking to strengthen the squad looking for promising youngsters in the lower leaguers and develop their talent
4) We are looking to develop our own academy
5) We are looking to appoint Gary Speed as our new manager once a severance package has been arranged for Mr Blackwell
6) With the very limited resources we are looking to develop a team to pay attacking entertaining football
7) We need the supporters to be behind us to develop this ethos
8) Our aim is to finish as high as possible in the Championship
9) If we get into play offs/ promotion then the success should enhance the funding for the future
10) We are looking to support the new manager in any way we can given the budget

Then fans may have taken a different view, renewed their ST's and given the club their full backing
Instead lies,lies,lies making everyones anticipation and expectation sky high and come crashing down when things don't going accortding to plan!

I agree the hardest thing to take is the feeling that we've been lied to by the board but if Mcabe is trying to sell the club or get investment from elsewhere then the last thing he would do is come out to the public and say that we're skint and we've wasted our cash on worthless assets. The asking price for the Blades would be slashed immediately. You cant always tell it like it is in business and while it might feel wrong to us fans if it is actually protecting the interests of the blades then fair play to him.

I am feeling very optimistic about this season though, the rest of the teams in this league are crap with the exception of Cardiff and QPR so theres still every chance of getting promotion. Everyone just needs to calm down abit, did they really expect us to have signed several world beaters, be playing entertaining flowing football and be winning 6-0 every week after Speeds had 2 games in charge?

 

[Ollessendro]

Thing is Olle, it's so easy to slag off the club at every turn, but it's much harder work to be optimistic and defend the club.

Back in the days of BU, the same debate was raging prior to the promotion season. McCabe was being criticised for lack of investment and Warnock was seen as the wrong man to take us forward. Day in, day out, the club would be lambasted, but when the crunch came and we were promoted, those 'knockers' could say "wow, we were wrong, I'm shocked we got promoted but well done to all those involved". Being so far from correct was ultimately cushioned by the joy of promotion and the knowledge that their complaints would be forgotten in a sub-conscious amnesty for the pessimistic.

On the other hand, those who defend the club have no such security to fall back on. When SUFC fails, those optimists fail in turn, and the pessimistic amonsgt us rub their faces in it with glee. This at a time when the club is on its knees for whatever reason. It's double the pain and makes the pessimistic seem doubly spiteful at finding happiness in times of anguish.

So, I suppose what I'm saying is that I understand why you're the way you are. It's easy and it's safe... the perfect combination for the weak and fearful.

If you need a hug or a chat, you know where I am.

:gallop:

Oh contraire me owd mucker. If only I could find some red and white spectacles and just ignore the fact that my beautiful club is being torn apart. If only I could ignore the fact that the beds are hard in the hotel and the shower never has any hot water, the pies and the bovril are crap, tickets cost too much, our sponser is crap and Malta is boring and I haven't even mention the people on the pitch. I'd love to be able to trade places with you Houso. I'd love to be able to clap my hands at every turn. Listen to the garbage McCabe and Birch are feeding us (and clap), ignore the fact that are squad is crap (and clap) and forget about the poor attendences (and clap). However I just can't bring myself to do it.

You can post all the bumf you want about being weak and fearful and lad de da, but it's just nonsense. Your attempt to be patronsing even falls short. If only you had the intelligence, wit and writing skills of the original user of the horse (Big Mart - R.I.P).

 

[Houso]

You do need a hug don't you?

It's okay to be afraid, it really is. It's not your fault.



[video=youtube;XOVS_SYyXe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOVS_SYyXe8[/video]

 

[Ollessendro]

You do need a hug don't you?

It's okay to be afraid, it really is. It's not your fault.

Have you calmed down enough to give me a hug.

I've addressed most of those bits in previous posts, so let's have another bunch of hopes:

- let's hope that a section of our support grows up and stops acting like spoilt children
- let's hope that the same group doesn't get so offended when someone disagrees
- let's hope that rather than claiming they speak the 'Truth', they admit to speaking Opinion.
- let's hope they cut out the boring cliches and 'amusing' nicknames that irritate most other supporters who have the slightest semblance of a sense of humour
- let's hope that they realise that no matter how many times they speak the same opinion, it's not going to change the minds of those who disagree

funny that you state to stop acting 'like spoilt children' and then revert to horses and hugs.

I HOPED that I might get a bit of intelligent, constructive debate. But alas no. Where's Dunc?

 

[Houso]

Hey Olle.

It's NOT your fault.

:shakehead: