Tonights Corporate Meeting With The Chairman

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He was sacked, he didn't walk...."

Well in that case Mr. Clough, why didn't you say it was you, why hide behind the name Bridgforblade? ;)

really, that's the level you want to go to?

Give over. You really think Clough (either of them) would waste his time on a fans forum. He's got his hands full in a promotion battle on Sunday don't forget.

I chose Bridgford Blade cos i live in Bridgford and I was supporting the blades while Clough was in charge.

It's not rocket surgery fella.

You've got your inside information, I've got mine.
 

I understand where Clough is coming from here; and given Jim's previous utterences about their lack of knowledge on football, I'd say it was right to leave the football to the football people. However, the manager must have some accountability for his decisions, surely? I'd say it's only right and fair for the Board to ask questions of him and his recruitment, given the amount of players coming in, money spent and the progress (or lack of) made.
Maybe it's the way the questions were asked?
Perhaps the board should go on one of those 'soft skills' courses, like the ones my corporate former employers used to send me on, to teach them to have 'difficult conversations' and 'give feedback'.
(As an aside, apparently someone went on one of these courses where they tell you to finish on a positive, like a 'shit sandwich', so when he or she did the next appraisal of a junior they said something like 'your work's appalling, you're lucky to still be in a job. I like your shoes')
 
really, that's the level you want to go to?

Give over. You really think Clough (either of them) would waste his time on a fans forum. He's got his hands full in a promotion battle on Sunday don't forget.

I chose Bridgford Blade cos i live in Bridgford and I was supporting the blades while Clough was in charge.

It's not rocket surgery fella.

You've got your inside information, I've got mine.

ha ha, get over yourself!

Of course I don't think for one minute that anyone connected to a football club would come on here, this is a fans forum, why do you think I put the wink at the end of it?

And you were "supporting the blades while Clough was in charge", great, what did you do while he was out of work? Support the dole queue?

For the record, I actually liked Clough, but the guy brought in some poor to average players, sent others out of the way, had a terrible interviewing style where he singled out players, and had a bust up where he walked/was sacked and I don't care which because it is history now. He has inherited JFH's team and good luck to him/them.
 
ha ha, get over yourself!

Of course I don't think for one minute that anyone connected to a football club would come on here, this is a fans forum, why do you think I put the wink at the end of it?

And you were "supporting the blades while Clough was in charge", great, what did you do while he was out of work? Support the dole queue?

For the record, I actually liked Clough, but the guy brought in some poor to average players, sent others out of the way, had a terrible interviewing style where he singled out players, and had a bust up where he walked/was sacked and I don't care which because it is history now. He has inherited JFH's team and good luck to him/them.

No worries Mr McCabe, let's just agree to disagree. I think your dad needs to buck up his ideas though ;-)

Fortunately for me, Nigel doesn't stay out of work too long but in those two short spells when he was out of work I watched loads of games as a neutral, without the stress of worrying about the results too much. I love my football and tend to watch games where one of my favourite players is playing or one of my old mates is coaching/managing.

He might be out of work for a bit longer than normal if he doesn't get Burton over the line.

And it's really the majority of Gary Rowetts team he inherited, not so much Jimmy Floyds but let's not split hairs.
 
As for going backwards, we’ve done that every year regardless of manager.


I disagree. I'd say this is the only season we've truly gone backwards since being in League One, and it's the weakest League One there's been.

Play-offs under Wilson in the first season, play-offs under Wilson/Morgan in the second season.

Clough then steadied the ship after the Weir fiasco, cup semi-final, went on a great winning run and narrowly missed out on the play-offs. Then play-offs again, as well as another semi-final.

This season we've had no cup run - other than December we haven't had a winning run of any kind - and haven't remotely threatened the top six.

The fact Burton and Walsall are fighting it out for automatic promotion on the last day says it all about the level we're now playing at.
 
I disagree. I'd say this is the only season we've truly gone backwards since being in League One, and it's the weakest League One there's been.

Play-offs under Wilson in the first season, play-offs under Wilson/Morgan in the second season.

Clough then steadied the ship after the Weir fiasco, cup semi-final, went on a great winning run and narrowly missed out on the play-offs. Then play-offs again, as well as another semi-final.

This season we've had no cup run - other than December we haven't had a winning run of any kind - and haven't remotely threatened the top six.

The fact Burton and Walsall are fighting it out for automatic promotion on the last day says it all about the level we're now playing at.
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I'm sure you're right. But he's got to stop thinking like a charity and start thinking like a lean business, spending money only where needed.

Our cost base is just too high and needs addressing.

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Good point but KM IS seriously believing it's,all there lying in wait for better times. When we cut more the club will find it harder to step up when we do - bit chicken and egg.
 
Just caught up on this thread while I'm away. Strikes me there is more sympathy with KM than might have been expected and a number of posters 'sticking up' for him.

Couple of points. I reckon any technical board will be dominated by football men including the manager and head scout.

KM using the words "non-footballing reasons' for Clough comes as a shock though most thought it was a row rather than a planned sacking, surely about football though.

We DID boost the budget and overspend on players in the 2014/5 season especially in the JTW and we blew it. We are now digging ourselves out of the hole to start over again.

Maguire went for a quadruple salary increase.

Surely a big budget rightly has to be saved/ earmarked for the Championship as the gap is so great and we can't expect to sign the Hoppers of this world down where we are.

Overall with this manager and this ' plan', I think we can easily fail yet again next season but I don't see any other way forward. My only other choice of Wilder would take two years to sort it all out and in truth he's no miracle worker. We need a 'Messiah' now more than ever, let's hope Adkins rediscovers his earlier touch all of a sudden.

I honestly hope KM finds a suitable way to leave the club in good hands before too long. The rot is well and truly set in and its torture for everybody. Respect to the man as always, unsuccessful as he has been these past 9 years.
 

Who cares?

I do! And I know I'm not on my own.

Everyone bangs on about the fairytale of Leicester And lovely Gary in his underpants but forget about the small businesses that lost money owed by clubs putting themselves in admin and keeping their big earners. :mad:

Well done KMc for not doing it at any stage of our history.
 
Some good stuff there, bb.

JCR another who was hailed as brilliant when he didn't pick him and Clough was a racist for not playing him.

Now everyone sees and saw that he wasn't and isn't good enough.

JCR wasn't our worst player by far, however he was one of the most one-footed players I've ever seen. He only had a right foot so, as a consequence, would take it round the opposition's left-back and hope to whip in a (right-footed) cross. From the right... Once defences had sussed JCR's one and only trick, his 'crossing route' was cut off and he'd have to try it all over again. That's why some fans wrongly thought he was trying to 'beat his man twice'. He hadn't beaten him once! Tactical genius Adkins' solution? Play him on the left wing where he was effectively useless and moved on.


Adkins IS in the same position, he STILL has those players that aren't good enough. Why does he get another season to sort it out when Clough wasn't given that time.

Not as black-and-white as that, bb. After the second-leg of the PO Semi with Swindon last season which ended 5-5 (and where we conspired to concede an all-time play-off record of seven goals over two legs) it would appear that a meeting with the directors took place immediately after that match. That's all we know. Was it a sensible time to call such a meeting (feelings running high etc.)? Who called it? The board? Clough? The accepted version is that the board asked Clough what the future held and Clough said 'more of the same'.

Now us fans who had to sit through a season of utter dross (the cup games were fun but shouldn't distract from our one-and-only target, to get the fuck out of Division Three) knew that this wasn't acceptable, and so did the board.

Comparing Clough with Adkins is like comparing crabs with chlamydia.

You don't easily walk away from an opportunity the size of Sheffield United, he knew how big a club it is and he was desperate to have a promotion to his name with the Blades.

After around 20 years as a manager, Clough is desperate to have any promotion to his name. Even this one has been mostly Hasselbaink's work. We'll see how 'good' Clough is next season.
 
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Some good stuff there, bb.



JCR wasn't our worst player by far, however he was one of the most one-footed players I've ever seen. He only had a right foot so, as a consequence, would take it round the opposition's left-back and hope to whip in a (right-footed) cross. From the right... Once defences had sussed JCR's one and only trick, his 'crossing route' was cut off and he'd have to try it all over again. That's why some fans wrongly thought he was trying to 'beat his man twice'. He hadn't beaten him once! Tactical genius Adkins' solution? Play him on the left wing where he was effectively useless and moved on.




Not as black-and-white as that, bb. After the second-leg of the PO Semi with Swindon last season which ended 5-5 (and where we conspired to concede an all-time play-off record of seven goals over two legs) it would appear that a meeting with the directors took place immediately after that match. That's all we know. Was it a sensible time to call such a meeting (feelings running high etc.)? Who called it? The board? Clough? The accepted version is that the board asked Clough what the future held and Clough said 'more of the same'.

Now us fans who had to sit through a season of utter dross (the cup games were fun but shouldn't distract from our one-and-only target, to get the fuck out of Division Three) knew that this wasn't acceptable, and so did the board.

Comparing Clough with Adkins is like comparing crabs with chlamydia.



After around 20 years as a manager, Clough is desperate to have any promotion to his name. Even this one has been mostly Hasselbaink's work. We'll see how 'good' Clough is next season.

Won't get into an argument over it but can't agree with this Grafik.

He's had two promotions to his name in his 16, coming up for 17 years as a manager, so either you dismiss the first 10 years he had had Burton cos those promotions were non league or you acknowledge them and the various records he set at levels coming up through the leagues while in charge. Record points, record goals scored, record wins in a row.

If you dismiss those years in his first spell at Burton, then in that case he's had four and half years at Derby and 18 months at Sheffield United without a promotion but he's only ever had one season where the team haven't improved finishing position.

JFH was in charge for 20 games of this season. Clough for 26 but of course this promotion won't count for anything either cos it's someone else's work?

If you say it's the majority of JFH's work, then I accept someone else buiilt the squad, but you're giving credit to the wrong guy there. It was and is mainly Gary Rowetts squad.

To judge how good Clough is next year, if he stays at Burton, he'd have to be a miracle working genius to keep them at that level. I'd expect and predict that they will lose many more games than they'll win, it'll give a lot of ammunition to those who think he's a poor manager, that's for sure.

But if you judge it fairly and based on size of club, then ANYTHING other than finishing cast adrift at the bottom would not be a failure. They'll have a smaller budget and fan base than Yeovil Town.

That's if he stays at Burton of course, his agreement with Ben Robinson was to come in help them out for 6 months. There was no talk about what happens after that.

Part of me hopes he walks away from the game or goes to somewhere like the US to manage over there and enjoy life.
 
Some interesting points about this promotion being Clough’s/ Hasselbaink/ Rowett etc. Fact is, it’s a combination of all 3. Rowett did an excellent job when he was at Burton and started the ball rolling. Hasselbaink got them up last season and generated some fantastic results this season (think he averaged about 2.1 points per game). Clough manageged 26 of the 46 games so of course deserves some credit for his part. He also had to cope with the same of El Khayati (sp?).


I think the circumstances were well set up for what Nigel Clough is good at. Coaching a squad of players assembled by others. His coaching wasn’t an issue for us. If anything, I think Adkins’ struggle with the same (bar a few) players shows just how mediocre they are and that Clough was in fact getting the best (or close to) out of them. All that said, I think without JFH’s excellent points return over the first 20 games, Clough’s performance over the final 26 extrapolated over a season would have seen Burton into the playoffs rather than the top 2. Still fairly impressive with no world-beaters in the team though.


His downfall for us was recruitment (he’s the only manager we’ve had in this division that’s been given a decent wedge to go and build a squad how he wanted it) and that is still having a lasting effect. But rather than calling it his “fault” for us being in the situation we are, I would say the bigger issue is how our club is run with 3 prevalent damaging themes.


1. Sale of our best player year on year.

2. Changing managers too regularly

3. Having no system (scouting network, recruitment policy etc.) in place above the manager meaning that year on year, a new manager comes in with a new way of doing things, new personnel requirements etc.


The pattern there makes it almost impossible for us to build anything remotely sustainable.
 

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