Tomorrow - gutting

[Highbury_Blade]

Tuns, that was a post from the heart and admire the passion in int.

But football is a normal business. The books have to balance, we have to pay our creditors, otherwise we'll end up like Portsmouth scamming St john's ambulance service and local school's out of thousands of pounds.

I'm gutted that we sold them, but as far as i'm concerned it needed to be done.

 

[lenners]

But the clubs 'soul' didnt die in 1993 or 1998 did it?

No, I don't think it did, it just took an almighty hammering.
This time feels different to me, particularly because the players themselves were Blades.
It's also part of the wider malaise surrounding the club, the lack of any real direction etc.

 

[AlienWoodward]

]I think that just about makes Len's point for him.[/COLOR]

Two born and bred Blades, nurtured through the club and looking like very promising players, sold and replaced by the likes of France, Taylor, Calve and Jordan!!!
Is the club about making money or playing football?
It may be a necessary evil that the first has to precede the second but to be happy about it is staggering in my view.

Tell Len to wake me up when we go into admin or fail to pay HMRC.
YAWN ........................

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I know loads of people who have stopped watching United solely because the two Kyles were sold.



I don't really. I just thought I'd have a ride on the "We've sold our soul, and we only did it t'other year" bandwagon for a minute or two.

LMAO thank you

 

[lenners]

Top post Tuns.
One of the best on here for a while.

 

[AlienWoodward]

Top post Tuns.
One of the best on here for a while.

Even the bit about we had the chance to build a club and a team around them and bottled it ?
We already had a club and how do you build a team around two players who are essentially right backs ?

 

[shorehamview]

For the attention of those who think United's soul was ripped put when we sold the two Kyles, what about these moments?


TC to Leeds.
Mick Jones to Leeds.
Deano to Leeds.
The bloody tea lady to Leeds.
Colin the daschund to Leeds.
Deano to Benfica, and Jan-Age to Barnsley on the same fecking day.
Jags to Everton. We knew it was coming, but still.....
Alan Kelly to Blackburn.
All established, experienced players.


And countless others.

Yes, I know that the two Kyles are Blades, but to suggest that the sale of those two was the one single act that ripped the soul out of United demonstrates either a lack of knowledge of Sheffield United's history further back than 2009, or a need to argue just for the sake of hearing your own voice. I was ticked off to hear that they were going, but I was furious when Deane went. The sale of two inexperienced young players or the sale of a man who could score in a convent? I know which one got me crossest.

 

[lenners]

Even the bit about we had the chance to build a club and a team around them and bottled it ?
We already had a club and how do you build a team around two players who are essentially right backs ?

Sorry, but aren't you asleep?
I thought you'd only wake up if it was about admin, HMRC?
You ain't interested in who plays for us, only the balance sheet - and only a balance sheet at one given moment and not how transactions can affect that balance sheet long-term.
You're best off closing your eyes again.

 

[beechblade]

Even the bit about we had the chance to build a club and a team around them and bottled it ?
We already had a club and how do you build a team around two players who are essentially right backs ?

Yes and we didn't lose thousands of fans that following season either due to their sale. We lost thousands this season, it had plenty of passion in the post though.

 

[lenners]

Shoreham, where has the soul of the team been since the sale of the Kyles?
And it does make a difference they're Sheffield lads and Blades. It makes a huge difference.
Indeed, the board itself recognises this in its new and improved approach to youth development.

 

[JohnDenver]

Deane leaving to the dirties was heart breaking. But then we didn't have the Internet enabling us to wallow in it absolutely fookin' endlessly.

 

[AlienWoodward]

Yes and we didn't lose thousands of fans that following season either due to their sale. We lost thousands this season, it had plenty of passion in the post though.

Not sure,but didn't we get 13 mill for the pair of them ?
So at £25 a ticket (average) we would need to lose 520,000 fans if my calculator is correct ;-) otherwise the sale was viable.

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Sorry, but aren't you asleep?
I thought you'd only wake up if it was about admin, HMRC?
You ain't interested in who plays for us, only the balance sheet - and only a balance sheet at one given moment and not how transactions can affect that balance sheet long-term.
You're best off closing your eyes again.

If we don't have a decent balance sheet then we don't have a club.
Which part of McDonalds do you work for burger flipping or accounts ?

 

[lenners]

Not sure,but didn't we get 13 mill for the pair of them ?
So at £25 a ticket (average) we would need to lose 520,000 fans if my calculator is correct ;-) otherwise the sale was viable.

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If we don't have a decent balance sheet then we don't have a club.
Which part of McDonalds do you work for burger flipping or accounts ?

£13m, yer tinker.
If you don't think about what impact decisions taken will have in the future, you similarly run the risk of not having a club and of losing thousands and thousands of supporters for good.

 

[AlienWoodward]

£13m, yer tinker.
If you don't think about what impact decisions taken will have in the future, you similarly run the risk of not having a club and of losing thousands and thousands of supporters for good.

Leonard !! How much would Mr Rednapp get now for them both.
You and I both know he would not get his money back

 

[shorehamview]

Shoreham, where has the soul of the team been since the sale of the Kyles?
And it does make a difference they're Sheffield lads and Blades. It makes a huge difference.
Indeed, the board itself recognises this in its new and improved approach to youth development.

The sale of the two Kyles is merely a symptom of the malaise. It's not the cause of it, and the soul of the team wasn't skewered with the poniard of disappointment when they were sold - it had been stabbed long before then. The play-off v Burnley side had both Naughton and Walker in it, and about as much soul as a dead dog. Craig Beattie, anyone? A side that looked beaten before they started, totally soulless, and with both Kyles in it.

I also think that if the board got a massive offer for a player like, for the sake of argument Jordan Slew, then they'd take it. While the club is trying to balance the books, rightly or wrongly, they are going to take a cash offer over potential. That's not to say that's a good idea - it's about as far from a good idea as it's possible to get - but I think they'd still do it.

And the difference is that some of us remember back further than eighteen months ago when it comes to Sheffield United. I get your point about the club needing to bring through youth and then hold on to them and thoroughly agree with it, but to suggest that the soul of Sheffield United rested solely on the shoulders of those two young players and was ripped out only when they were sold is, well, how can I put it? In yours own words, very naive.

I'll not call you son though, even if you are a little wet behind the ears compared to some of us older fans.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

To sell one home-grown Blades fan quality right back would have been disappointing but understandable to sell two of them on the same day was disgusting and counter-productive.

Let's not forget that United tried to soften the blow by stating that Walker had been loaned back to us for the full season. They couldn't even get that right and it turned out that the deal allowed Spurs to click their fingers and ruin our season at the drop of a hat.

Let's also remember the total b******s about us being able to borrow a couple of Spurs youngsters as part of the deal (as if any other team wouldn't be able to do that). Did they ever appear? Would a Spurs youngster really not have improved upon the team this season and last? Or was it all total nonsense to try and appease the fans?

How many attempts at filling the "problem" right back position have been made since? Nosworthy, Calve, Kozluk and Parrino this season alone. How much money has been squandered on expensive loans with no long-term benefit? How much money wasted on borrowing mediocre centre-backs when Walker could have filled in there as well if necessary.

People talk as if we had to accept £3M for Walker because it was a once-in-a-lifetime, take it or leave it opportunity. Rubbish! I bet if Aston Villa or QPR tried to sign him permanently now, they would be looking at a valuation of £5M+ and rising all the time.
If the aim is really to get 5 or 6 home-grown players in the team, how will we ever achieve that when we sell anyone who makes the grade?

 

[lenners]

The sale of the two Kyles is merely a symptom of the malaise. It's not the cause of it, and the soul of the team wasn't skewered with the poniard of disappointment when they were sold - it had been stabbed long before then. The play-off v Burnley side had both Naughton and Walker in it, and about as much soul as a dead dog. Craig Beattie, anyone? A side that looked beaten before they started, totally soulless, and with both Kyles in it.

I also think that if the board got a massive offer for a player like, for the sake of argument Jordan Slew, then they'd take it. While the club is trying to balance the books, rightly or wrongly, they are going to take a cash offer over potential. That's not to say that's a good idea - it's about as far from a good idea as it's possible to get - but I think they'd still do it.

And the difference is that some of us remember back further than eighteen months ago when it comes to Sheffield United. I get your point about the club needing to bring through youth and then hold on to them and thoroughly agree with it, but to suggest that the soul of Sheffield United rested solely on the shoulders of those two young players and was ripped out only when they were sold is, well, how can I put it? In yours own words, very naive.

I'll not call you son though, even if you are a little wet behind the ears compared to some of us older fans.

Remind us who the two standout performers for United were against Burnley?

 

[shorehamview]

Remind us who the two standout performers for United were against Burnley?

None of them, as far as I recall.

But if you want to tell us all that the two Kyles were great and all the rest shit then go ahead. They were, as far as I recall, average on that day at best. Not as shit as Ward, Hendrie or Beattie, but not brilliant. Of course, if you put two stale slices of bread in a pile of sweaty severed monkey scrotums you'd still rather eat the stale bread.

My point is that the soul of United had been savaged before the two Kyles were sold, rather than it being the act that ripped the soul out. They could have been swapped for Messi and Ronaldo, that side would still have had no "soul". Selling them was just one more nail in the coffin - it wasn't the be-all and end-all that you would have us believe, any more than simply signing them tomorrow would remedy all ills.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I think there is an argument that the soul started to go as soon as we reached the PL, the so called "Promised Land".

 

[Trigger Blade]

We sold the soul of the club when we sold the Kyles.
We lost the sense of continuity from the days of Jags and co, through to the Kyles, of players that were part of our club, that had been developed by us.
We haven't recovered our soul and that's something you can't put a price on.

Ooh len, you soppy date. Who'd have imagined a macho man like you, always keen to tell us all to knock oursens out, going all moist eyed at something so ethereal as a soul.

For me, although the sale of the Kyles was a big disappointment, it was the terrible football we played last season that was the final straw, nothing to do with loss of soul. I bet most football clubs feel as though they've lost part of it, and it's down to money.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Ooh len, you soppy date. Who'd have imagined a macho man like you, always keen to tell us all to knock oursens out, going all moist eyed at something so ethereal as a soul.

For me, although the sale of the Kyles was a big disappointment, it was the terrible football we played last season that was the final straw, nothing to do with loss of soul. I bet most football clubs feel as though they've lost part of it, and it's down to money.

Maybe the terrible football had something to do with loss of soul as well. I'm with Len on this, we have definitely lost our soul, but I think most football clubs have, certainly in the top 2 divisions. Where I disagree with Len is on the point at which the soul got lost, he's such an optimistic chappie, thinking it went as recently as when the Kyles were sold.

 

[muttsnuts]

Maybe the terrible football had something to do with loss of soul as well. I'm with Len on this, we have definitely lost our soul, but I think most football clubs have, certainly in the top 2 divisions. Where I disagree with Len is on the point at which the soul got lost, he's such an optimistic chappie, thinking it went as recently as when the Kyles were sold.

For me the soul of our club went with the Robson era. Looking back its unbelieveable what he did in such a short time, poor expensive signings, long expensive contracts which we are still suffering now. The old song 'we aint got a barrel of money' became history and we blew it overnight.

 

[Nick Jansky]

For me the soul of our club went with the Robson era. Looking back its unbelieveable what he did in such a short time, poor expensive signings, long expensive contracts which we are still suffering now. The old song 'we aint got a barrel of money' became history and we blew it overnight.

I think that every club that goes up to the PL surrenders a big bit of its soul. You ascend to this glittering, media saturated fantasy, and its just awash with money. When you lose it, you are desperate to get it back at any cost, which for us manifested itself in Robson. Loads of other clubs do the same thing out of desperation, how many relegatees keep their manager, usually the one that got them up the year before?

A League that we can never hope to be truly competitive in.

 

[broomhillblade]

I thought from the title of this thread that Len plans to go fishing tomorrow.

 

[shorehamview]

I thought from the title of this thread that Len plans to go fishing tomorrow.

He's boycotting the riverbank because Kevin McCabe likes to eat trout.

 

[boo radley]

Can i ask you Len to please explain how the side would look, had we managed to stave off the bids and kept Kyle Walker. Built the side around him but remember we are also 3 million worse off.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Shoreham, where has the soul of the team been since the sale of the Kyles?

They werent the 'soul' of the team in the first place.

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For the attention of those who think United's soul was ripped put when we sold the two Kyles, what about these moments?


TC to Leeds.
Mick Jones to Leeds.
Deano to Leeds.
The bloody tea lady to Leeds.
Colin the daschund to Leeds.
Deano to Benfica, and Jan-Age to Barnsley on the same fecking day.
Jags to Everton. We knew it was coming, but still.....
Alan Kelly to Blackburn.
All established, experienced players.

Dont you mean Colin Grainger?

 

[shorehamview]

Dont you mean Colin Grainger?

You mean you never knew that Reg Brealey sold the Club Dog?

 

[JJ Sefton]

No, I don't think it did, it just took an almighty hammering.

But no more so than in 1934, 1949, 1956, 1968, 1976, 1979, 1981 and 1988.

 

[shorehamview]

But no more so than in 1934, 1949, 1956, 1968, 1976, 1979, 1981 and 1988.

Wrong. The club had no soul until the twin births of The Two Kyles, and their sale rent the soul asunder.

Pre-Kyles, there was no soul, there was no club, there was no world. And yea, the heavens did weep.

 

[gavtheblade]

Argument or not,i dont care what ANY of you say but the sale of both kyles has been a catastrophe for our club,the record shows it-results,gates,overall belief in our club.