Time to go...

[Darren]

Interesting stats and gives weight to your argument obviously. However in your opening summary, I'd discount the 'decent player' bit, the second one could be a disadvantage in some ways and the other two will be attractive to Kevin McCabe no doubt
To get to my point about Morgan and answer Pinchy's amusing response, I guess it's just a gut feeling that he'd be as good as anyone with better credentials for us. As it's often been mentioned before, the manager isn't the problem, more the tools he's been given to work with by KM.
Whether it be rookie Morgan or expert Mourinho, the players allowed to be brought in is more pertinent to relative success.
The players this season were just not up to the task in hand and sacking Danny Wilson was a last desperate throw by a desperate owner. Chris Morgan was handed a crock of shite and failed, but I have a hunch that given a fair crack of the whip he may well do better than a lot on here seem to think.

So its just a "hunch" and a "gut feeling" that Morgan might be a good manager. Is that like a woman's "intuition"?

And to be fair to Wilson, despite some appalling performances, he had managed us to be play off certs and still with automatic promotion in our own hands. Under Morgan the team played relegation form. Same players, the only difference was the manager (and as an aside we had a fabulous away record under Wilson - 11 wins and only 3 defeats. We lost all 3 away games under Morgan without scoring a goal).

 

[LSF]

That's what I said. But how do we know if a manager is good for us or not until he's at the end of his tenure? Danny Wilson's stats are impressive but towards the end of his time we were worse - nay, appalling, and the owner panicked.
I think its a bit unfair to keep comparing Morgan's record as manager to Wilson's to prove your argument.

 

[Pinchy]

That's what I said. But how do we know if a manager is good for us or not until he's at the end of his tenure? Danny Wilson's stats are impressive but towards the end of his time we were worse - nay, appalling, and the owner panicked.
I think its a bit unfair to keep comparing Morgan's record as manager to Wilson's to prove your argument.

Are you not just a little concerned about his bizarre claim to have 'done well'?

 

[Darren]

That's what I said. But how do we know if a manager is good for us or not until he's at the end of his tenure? Danny Wilson's stats are impressive but towards the end of his time we were worse - nay, appalling, and the owner panicked.
I think its a bit unfair to keep comparing Morgan's record as manager to Wilson's to prove your argument.[/quote]

Why is it unfair? Don't we want a manager who is better than Wilson?

 

[Darren]

On a side point, I suspext Wilson is the only manager in United's history to have won half of his away league games - 22 out of 44.

 

[LSF]

Are you not just a little concerned about his bizarre claim to have 'done well'?

Pinchy, I think you are far too smart to pay heed to any throw away line a manager gives to the press when trying to explain away a season ending defeat. Most interviews are full of clichéd rubbish for me to hang on to anything said of worthy note.
But yes, it was bizarre, as you say
Now just leave to me to enjoy my little 'gut' feeling and then be disappointed when our saviour Chris Wilder is appointed.
Quite frankly, I'm less than bothered who it is, such is my current despair at events at Bramall Lane, no doubt my interest will awaken once the cricket season is in its dying embers....

 

[LSF]

"Why is it unfair? Don't we want a manager who is better than Wilson?"

I'll give you the obvious answer, which of course is yes!

Maybe Kevin McCabe, on a gut feeling of course, or owner's intuition, thought Chris Morgan a better manager than DW on evidence he'd seen from within (rather than results) and gambled on that hunch.

 

[DazBlade88]

Are you not just a little concerned about his bizarre claim to have 'done well'?

I'd be more concerned that he said we only need 2/3 players, personally.

 

[sitwell]

McCabe seems intent on surrounding himself with numpties - why should he change now?

Perhaps by surrounding yourself with no marks and inadequacy you then appear to be a top man - sorry Mr McCabe - you've been rumbled!

Which table were you sat at last friday Fiery ,and how good was the comedian. Parlour was disappointing i thought .

 

[Fiery Blade]

Sat on Table No 2 Sitters - at the Bar end near the door
Gary Marshall top drawer comedian - Have seen Ray Parlour before - there were some new stories but I think he rushed through his spot so he could get back on the road home!

 

[HoodedClaw]

Interesting stats and gives weight to your argument obviously. However in your opening summary, I'd discount the 'decent player' bit, the second one could be a disadvantage in some ways and the other two will be attractive to Kevin McCabe no doubt
To get to my point about Morgan and answer Pinchy's amusing response, I guess it's just a gut feeling that he'd be as good as anyone with better credentials for us. As it's often been mentioned before, the manager isn't the problem, more the tools he's been given to work with by KM.
Whether it be rookie Morgan or expert Mourinho, the players allowed to be brought in is more pertinent to relative success.
The players this season were just not up to the task in hand and sacking Danny Wilson was a last desperate throw by a desperate owner. Chris Morgan was handed a crock of shite and failed, but I have a hunch that given a fair crack of the whip he may well do better than a lot on here seem to think.

I just don't understand were this "gut feeling" comes from given that Morgs has already demonstrated relegation form with the same players as Wilson had, and those same players are unfortunately the ones that will make up the bulk of the squad next season.
On that basis alone, Morgs has shown he isn't the man for the job, and if there is any logic (yes I know there usually isn't) McCabe cant give him the job as he's already sacked Wilson who did better with the same players.
Unless of course McCabe is going to invest heavily on a new squad for next season??

 

[LSF]

I just don't understand were this "gut feeling" comes from given that Morgs has already demonstrated relegation form with the same players as Wilson had, and those same players are unfortunately the ones that will make up the bulk of the squad next season.
On that basis alone, Morgs has shown he isn't the man for the job, and if there is any logic (yes I know there usually isn't) McCabe cant give him the job as he's already sacked Wilson who did better with the same players.
Unless of course McCabe is going to invest heavily on a new squad for next season??

Who does understand where gut feelings come from? They are just what the term implies, no sound reasoning behind it and as I've debated with Darren, to judge Morgan as 'relegation form ' on 6 or 7 games is harsh. As well as Danny did to get us into a challenging position, it was obvious to the eye that something had gone drastically wrong in the last part of his tenure.
McCabe gambled Mandaric style and failed spectacularly. I don't think that reflects on Chris Morgan's long term ability to make a decent manager.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Faiar enough, I must admit when I have a "gut instinct" there tends to have been something to trigger it, but each to their own.
Not bothered about Morgs long term ability to make a decent manager, I'm on about the short/immediate term and all he's shown me is that with this squad of players, which I believe will be pretty much the same next season, he isn't the right manager at this time.
I'll say again, I don't see how he can get the job given the form he has shown with this group of players when Wilson was sacked for having better form with the same players, even at the end of the season.

 

[sitwell]

i was on the table next to the guy buying all the auction items ,Ronnie Whelan did the same when i was running them whereas Molby ,Saunders Mcgovern etc stayed until kicking out time. For 1800 quid i thinks its a liberty.

 

[Fiery Blade]

i was on the table next to the guy buying all the auction items ,Ronnie Whelan did the same when i was running them whereas Molby ,Saunders Mcgovern etc stayed until kicking out time. For 1800 quid i thinks its a liberty.

Is that how much he charged ?

 

[LSF]

Faiar enough, I must admit when I have a "gut instinct" there tends to have been something to trigger it, but each to their own.
Not bothered about Morgs long term ability to make a decent manager, I'm on about the short/immediate term and all he's shown me is that with this squad of players, which I believe will be pretty much the same next season, he isn't the right manager at this time.
I'll say again, I don't see how he can get the job given the form he has shown with this group of players when Wilson was sacked for having better form with the same players, even at the end of the season.

That's a reasonable opinion to hold and I can understand you having it. Whether he has the same players next season (if he gets the job) is an unknown at the moment.
If he does get it I'm sure he'll try to build a squad that reflects his choice rather than that what he inherited (I'm sure he didn't hold with all of Danny's choices but as coach he has to work with what his manager chooses).
All this of course is dependant on who we appoint, and whoever it is will bring their own ideas and choices to the table for us to judge, debate, disagree and muse about.
As ever, time will tell on who we get and how they perform....

 

[sitwell]

Is that how much he charged ?

Yes ,the most expensive yet ,I think the cheaper guys ,Kindon Berrisford and Mcgovern have been the best. Whelan Parlour ,Sharpe and Whiteside were disappointing for me ,however Molby was the best of the lot.

Oh ,what was the wrestler all about ?

 

[Isiah]

Unfortunately - and picking up on Pinchy's rhetorical question - I think that under our present ownership we are only going to attract managers that no one else is rushing to give a job too. It's difficult to see anyone who still has any sort of management credibility being prepared to risk that by working under the conditions recent Blades managers have had to endure.

 

[HoodedClaw]

That's a reasonable opinion to hold and I can understand you having it. Whether he has the same players next season (if he gets the job) is an unknown at the moment.
If he does get it I'm sure he'll try to build a squad that reflects his choice rather than that what he inherited (I'm sure he didn't hold with all of Danny's choices but as coach he has to work with what his manager chooses).
All this of course is dependant on who we appoint, and whoever it is will bring their own ideas and choices to the table for us to judge, debate, disagree and muse about.
As ever, time will tell on who we get and how they perform....

Fingers and everything else crossed.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Yes ,the most expensive yet ,I think the cheaper guys ,Kindon Berrisford and Mcgovern have been the best. Whelan Parlour ,Sharpe and Whiteside were disappointing for me ,however Molby was the best of the lot.

Oh ,what was the wrestler all about ?

Ithought I was in the minority ! Never ever heard of him!