Time for a Director of Football

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Liaminho9 said:
They may well have been, but claiming "We've had money for the past 3 transfer windows and spent...........nothing." is a little unfair to the club.
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Why is it unfair?? The net spend is zero (probably more coming in), so not sure what's unfair about it. It was the board that coined the phrase 'Liverpool type investment', so they should be held accountable for the clubs transfer failings.
 
axel smeets said:
I will concede the Dan Ashworth model at West Brom, it served them very well for a time, and he has now moved on to work for the FA, I believe.

Manchester City? Having owners who are dollar trillionaires and being able to lure managers with Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich on their CV's will perhaps help?
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Yes, he's at the St George's Centre or whatever it's called.

The main reason Pep has gone to Man City is because they employed the chief exec and DoF from Barca. It's been a long term plan. He could have gone to a number of wealthy clubs but having Bigiristan and the other guy at City swung it.
 
axel smeets said:
I think that is the point I was making. Dooley retired, if I recall, around April 2006, as we had been promoted to the top flight. Dooley was in the board room - mostly - between 99-06. He was not, from 06/07 onwards, and of course this is when the decline set in, with the post - Tevez decision making that has culminated in 6 consecutive seasons in Division Three.
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Cue alcoblade with his Dooley tale in 5..4..3.. ;)
 
Adkins himself raised this in his last interview saying it particularly helps in December to do the planning and field calls etc prior to January negotiations.

As always it has to be the right man and Adkins would have a lot of input into the strategy.

We all know the squad is still hopelessly unbalanced, let's hope whatever we make the right adjustments in the summer.
 
Didn't we have Julian Winter and Trevor Birch on the Payroll, both ex-footballers

They certainly knew where the money was ............................

3rd division club with a director of football .... crackers
 
Worksop II said:
Didn't we have Julian Winter and Trevor Birch on the Payroll, both ex-footballers

They certainly knew where the money was ............................

3rd division club with a director of football .... crackers
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Yes, neither of whom was a Director of Footballl and neither had the knowledge outlined in the OP.

Don't Peterborough have a D of F?
 
BushBlade said:
Yes, he's at the St George's Centre or whatever it's called.

The main reason Pep has gone to Man City is because they employed the chief exec and DoF from Barca. It's been a long term plan. He could have gone to a number of wealthy clubs but having Bigiristan and the other guy at City swung it.
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Aye, that and the £15m annual salary.
 
PeteBlade said:
According to Jim's statement, the lack of signings weren't resource related, so there's money available.

Unless he wasn't telling the truth?

For me, he could also take Jim's wage.
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I don't think JP gets any salary.

UTB
 
PeteBlade said:
Yes a couple of you have pointed this out so I stand corrected on that.

Wouldn't be that much of a salary though surely?
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My problem is not with the role as such, it's more why it can't be done by others already there. If they are that incompetent, sack them.

The type of mistakes we talk about can be spotted without having spent a lifetime in football, and without being paid hundteds of thousands a year, which no doubt the role would be.

UTB
 
Jim Chimmerney said:
I've never been convinced about this role, if a club needs one it means that either the manager (and his team) doesn't know what he's doing (or can't be trusted) or there isn't sufficient football nous on the Board. Both of course could be true but there should be enough 'football' people at the club for this not to be required.
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I can't see that having someone in this role would have made any difference regarding what's happened (or hasn't happened) in this last transfer window - wether it's clubs asking too much cos of our apparent finances, or an unwillingness to spend by the board, or whatever the real reason is that we haven't strengthened despite being led to believe earlier in the season that we would.
 
PeteBlade said:
It's been suggested (by others) previously that we could do with a Director of Football.

Someone to act between manager and board that isn't Phipps and that has an idea about football.

Someone to advise on stopping the mistakes Clough apparently made that seem to have set the club back 2 seasons.

Clearly we have a complete lack of footballing common sense, knowledge or nouse at the top, so is it time to bring someone in who has these skills?

Not someone that leaves when a manager leaves, but has a long term role at the club, can advise on transfer, targets, other leagues etc.

Abs before anyone says Warnock, I'd suggest cutting ties with the past, and aiming for someone well respected in the game.

Suggestions?
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Is this the answer to all of our problems? If not, what else needs to be done and how? I've got my ideas and it isn't a dig in any way, just interested in your view for the way forward on the whole and not necessarily in individual areas. I think that's what needs to be discussed the most.
 

WincobankBlade said:
I can't see that having someone in this role would have made any difference regarding what's happened (or hasn't happened) in this last transfer window - wether it's clubs asking too much cos of our apparent finances, or an unwillingness to spend by the board, or whatever the real reason is that we haven't strengthened despite being led to believe earlier in the season that we would.
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Agree completely. I do have some sympathy for the argument that we seem to keep falling into the same trap of going for higher league players and maybe the overall strategy of which type of player we go for has maybe been flawed in the last few seasons (or we've just been unlucky). Maybe someone at the top in this kind of role could help but as I said before, we should have enough nous in the club to get it sorted without the need for a David Pleat or Billy Bingham overseeing it.
 
Barney said:
Is this the answer to all of our problems? If not, what else needs to be done and how? I've got my ideas and it isn't a dig in any way, just interested in your view for the way forward on the whole and not necessarily in individual areas. I think that's what needs to be discussed the most.
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I don't see it as an answer to all our problems, but I do think it could help.

My main worry is that joint ownership will never work (and is causing major internal issues already) but I don't see how this will ever change?

Someone with a knowledge of football, that is based in this country, needs to run things in my opinion.

I'm insure how anything gets signed off with no figurehead living in the UK?

The whole set up seems like a shambles to me.
 
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Sean Thornton said:
Maybe a DoF would have stopped Clough blowing the budget and stopped the bloody board from letting him?
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Maybe but surely that's not what he should be there for. I can see how a DoF role could benefit some clubs, to give continuity as managers come and go, but I think our problems are more basic than that - we have had too many managers come and go already.
Edit: actually on reflection I think you may be right and that probably would be part of the role of a DoF
 
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PeteBlade said:
My main worry is that joint ownership will never work (and is causing major internal issues already) but I don't see how this will ever change?
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Agreed, 1 boss works for me, all we have now, is that those two can veto each other, and nowt gets done
 
Glenn Roeder.

Well, he's available. And the last club he was at seem to be heading very much in the right direction after his input...
 
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PeteBlade said:
My main worry is that joint ownership will never work (and is causing major internal issues already) but I don't see how this will ever change?
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And that's it. I've got my own dislike of the manager and he's contributed a lot to where we are this season but there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about anything much really. Protest "walk-out's" at matches and a dip in season tickets is about the limit of any of the fans ability to change anything. Walk-outs have already been dismissed by a lot on here anyway though so it looks like they'll be unlikely for starters.

All anyone can do is sit, watch and hope for the best unfortunately. Personally, I only ever think we'll start seeing any progress whatsoever whenever both the owners have slung their hooks. That's my opinion on the way forward, complete ownership overhaul. Second best bet would be for McCabe to go and for the Prince to have sole ownership himself to see if rumours he's been wanting to invest more than McCabe are at all true.

I wouldn't even be confident on that though, because it seems to me he's lost a lot of interest already.

Basically, we're fucked until something pretty drastic happens at board room level.
 
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HeCanDoMagic said:
Brian Deane would be a good (and in house) solution. And fits the criteria PeteBlade details.

Les Ferdinand is doing a DoF role (or something similar) at QPR isn't he?
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Yes that's the sort of person I'd be looking for, although maybe a bit older?

That sort of figurehead though.
 
PeteBlade said:
Yes that's the sort of person I'd be looking for, although maybe a bit older?

That sort of figurehead though.
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I think his age might be of benefit, he's untainted by any regime or bad habits. Fresh perspective based on the modern game.

What he did in Norway shows that he knows the importance of stability and moving a club forward.
 
HeCanDoMagic said:
I think his age might be of benefit, he's untainted by any regime or bad habits. Fresh perspective based on the modern game.

What he did in Norway shows that he knows the importance of stability and moving a club forward.
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I'd rather have someone with a bit more experience. Someone who's actually been a DoF before or an ex manager who isn't keen to get back into the managerial day to day.
 
BushBlade said:
I'd rather have someone with a bit more experience. Someone who's actually been a DoF before or an ex manager who isn't keen to get back into the managerial day to day.
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Did Niall Quinn have a similar role at Sunderland? Not a suggestion, was just thinking of other examples.
 

HeCanDoMagic said:
Did Niall Quinn have a similar role at Sunderland? Not a suggestion, was just thinking of other examples.
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I think his official title was Chairman but I suspect his role was similar in that his job was to look after the 'football' side of it.
 
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