The Wage Structure

[Pinchy]

Without wishing to stake another £10 that I don’t have on a bet, Rhodes will outscore any United player this season. He’s a quality forward, who for whatever reason, had a bad spell at Wednesday.

 

[DronnieBlade]

It really isn’t as simplistic as raising the wage structure. Sorry.

A well managed business HAS to have control measures on its costs. Full stop.

A badly managed one, well, won’t.

Whatever your views on the current owners, it is impossible to state that SUFC are a badly managed business. If you want a good example of that, head 3 miles over to a specific area of S6 !!

Understandable that fans frustrations come to a head when the purse strings, on face value, appear to be restrictive in terms of the football squad. I share the frustration.

But we really shouldn’t go down the same road as our piggy pals and ultimately, writing cheques we can’t cash.

UTB

 

[snootyfenooty]

It really isn’t as simplistic as raising the wage structure. Sorry.

A well managed business HAS to have control measures on its costs. Full stop.

A badly managed one, well, won’t.

Whatever your views on the current owners, it is impossible to state that SUFC are a badly managed business. If you want a good example of that, head 3 miles over to a specific area of S6 !!

Understandable that fans frustrations come to a head when the purse strings, on face value, appear to be restrictive in terms of the football squad. I share the frustration.

But we really shouldn’t go down the same road as our piggy pals and ultimately, writing cheques we can’t cash.

UTB

The pigs don't owe fuck all to anyone except to the chancer. They're in the same boat as us re-McCabe. The only thing open to discussion is which one is managed the most incompetently. Both are an embarrassment to Sheffield.

 

[Revolution]

Whatever your views on the current owners, it is impossible to state that SUFC are a badly managed business.
UTB

Nothing can be done without complete agreement between the parties, but they can't agree on anything, aren't speaking to each other, and are contesting court proceedings.

I am going to go out on a limb and state that SUFC is, at the present time, a badly managed business.

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

Nothing can be done without complete agreement between the parties, but they can't agree on anything, aren't speaking to each other, and are contesting court proceedings.

I am going to go out on a limb and state that SUFC is, at the present time, a badly managed business.

Yet they agreed some key things - Wilders new contract, a budget for the season and bringing Betts in to the management fold.

Im sure a few transfers wont be problematic to sign off.

 

[Revolution]

Yet they agreed some key things - Wilders new contract, a budget for the season and bringing Betts in to the management fold.

Im sure a few transfers wont be problematic to sign off.

They agreed a budget and haven't put the money in to pay for it....

 

[HeCanDoMagic]

They agreed a budget and haven't put the money in to pay for it....

How is the club still running then?

 

[Revolution]

How is the club still running then?

It still has some of the money it needs.

It can be managed badly and still run, you know.

 

[8lade]

As an analogy, if you are the owner of a fish restaurant, you may think that the current market rate for cod is too expensive. But you either pay it & offer the same dishes as your rivals or you don’t have it on the menu and start using pollack instead. It’s a business choice, but when your restaurant isn’t successful because every fucker likes cod and not pollack, which to be fair although seen as a cod substitute is a fairly strong tasting white fish, you know why. It’s not because of bad luck and the price of cod, it’s because you refused to pay it.

What your analogy is missing are the following points:
If you bought the cod, neither you or your customers can afford the extra money to pay for it, yes you could put your prices up but not enough to cover the extra cost. So now you're paying for your customers to possibly get a better experience (or getting into debt).
You don't even know if the cod will taste that good.
In your analogy you say the restaurant isn't succesful, ours was last year (I myself predicted a 12th place finish pre season).
This season everybody bar a few are baulking at the price of cod, CW himself identified the few as Forest, Middlesborough & the 3 relegated from the prem.

I do like a good analogy.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

What your analogy is missing are the following points:
If you bought the cod, neither you or your customers can afford the extra money to pay for it, yes you could put your prices up but not enough to cover the extra cost. So now you're paying for your customers to possibly get a better experience (or getting into debt).
You don't even know if the cod will taste that good.
In your analogy you say the restaurant isn't succesful, ours was last year (I myself predicted a 12th place finish pre season).
This season everybody bar a few are baulking at the price of cod, CW himself identified the few as Forest, Middlesborough & the 3 relegated from the prem.

I do like a good analogy.

 

[Houston_Blade]

All this "well run club" bollocks has now been exposed as a lie as a lot have always suspected. The good thing is that we are a badly run club but with very little external debt. The only slight problem being that one of the shareholders that we do owe money to seems intent on bankrupting us to pick the rest of the business up for a pittance.

All of this said, hiking the wage bill will do us no favours with tweedle dum and tweedle dee at the helm.

 

[I should coco]

All this "well run club" bollocks has now been exposed as a lie as a lot have always suspected.

If you want to see badly run, look a few miles away.

A little birdie tells me that they won't pay the £70k needed for 'essential' roof repairs to the stands. Looks like Topplayersleave is going to get dripped on again when he's bouncing.

 

[Houston_Blade]

If you want to see badly run, look a few miles away.

A little birdie tells me that they won't pay the £70k needed for 'essential' roof repairs to the stands. Looks like Topplayersleave is going to get dripped on again when he's bouncing.

I'm not disputing that the Pigs are a badly run club, I just don't think that any Blade could now turn around and say we're "well run". We're not and there is now proof in the public domain of how much of a shambles we actually are, it's embarrassing.

 

[Whiston Blade]

If you want to see badly run, look a few miles away.

A little birdie tells me that they won't pay the £70k needed for 'essential' roof repairs to the stands. Looks like Topplayersleave is going to get dripped on again when he's bouncing.

The amount of fucks I give about what happens at Hillsborough is zero. Sheffield United on the other hand, I care dearly about, let's not deflect this issue to make that lot look bad instead. We're far from a well run club.

 

[Grappler]

The pigs don't owe fuck all to anyone except to the chancer. They're in the same boat as us re-McCabe. The only thing open to discussion is which one is managed the most incompetently. Both are an embarrassment to Sheffield.

Probably correct, although I do seem to remember a pig fan that I know saying that Chancer is the front man for a sort of consortium, but who knows?

I also know people who seem to think he owns the tuna company (it's his dad,of course), that he is in line to succeed his dad (that's his elder brother) and that he made his money in property (whereas I have been told, he runs the "property" side of his dad's business, i.e., a leaking pipe in one of the factories, he arranges the plumber to come and fix it, a door that won't shut properly,he calls the joiner, etc.)

 

[Rodley]

I'm not disputing that the Pigs are a badly run club, I just don't think that any Blade could now turn around and say we're "well run". We're not and there is now proof in the public domain of how much of a shambles we actually are, it's embarrassing.

I think the commercial operations, ground, academy are superbly run at BDTBL and that hasn’t changed. This boardroom issue is a shambles, but I’m hoping Bettis coming back in with (reportedly) both Owner’s blessing will give Wilder some form of stability to work under. The courts will resolve the matter though and ultimately the ownership will be resolved. We are on that path now.

 

[Houston_Blade]

I think the commercial operations, ground, academy are superbly run at BDTBL and that hasn’t changed. This boardroom issue is a shambles, but I’m hoping Bettis coming back in with (reportedly) both Owner’s blessing will give Wilder some form of stability to work under. The courts will resolve the matter though and ultimately the ownership will be resolved. We are on that path now.

I agree that elements of the operations are now managed much better than they have been in the past. On the pure football side particularly we are doing better. I've still never bought into the "well run club" line that has been trotted out by McCabe repeatedly over the years. I'm not one to moan about the slightest little thing that goes wrong (like a kit FFS), however there's a definite 2 steps forward and 3 steps back method to how the club is run and it continues to bite us on the arse.

 

[8lade]

United are a well run club which is an aside from who owns the club and United have got to this position learning some hard lessons but a change of ownership will likely undo all of that. It is quite unbelievable that the contracts people didn't see the loopholes that are now being exposed.