The top 6 this weekend

[PeterNdlovu081]

teams lose games

wendies lost 4 in a row last february

its called a blip , or in our case, our fans shout man the lifeboats we are doomed

Come on mate, you're not allowed to speak any sense on here.

We're doomed to relegation don't you know?

 

[Revolution]

teams lose games

wendies lost 4 in a row last february

And then did not lose again all season. If we do that. I'll abandon capital letters too.

And what does a different team's performance in a different season have to do with what is happening to United? Nothing.

 

[Fiery Blade]

In anybodys language losing three home games on the spin is not a blip
Yesterday Dickov walked a week after beating Liverpool in the cup and Curle was sacked two weeks after coming back to draw with us with 10 men - in todays game managers aren't safe Wilson has got two points from the last fifteen!
I admire your optimism Sitters - especially when they are turning in such dire performances !

 

[SwissBlade]

In anybodys language losing three home games on the spin is not a blip
Yesterday Dickov walked a week after beating Liverpool in the cup and Curle was sacked two weeks after coming back to draw with us with 10 men - in todays game managers aren't safe Wilson has got two points from the last fifteen!
I admire your optimism Sitters - especially when they are turning in such dire performances !

Fortunately, our chairman has lost his kneejerk reaction and is keeping faith with his manager... he'll probably sack him on Wednesday!

 

[secretchief]

Imagine the worst possible time to sack him.

That's when it will be.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

teams lose games

wendies lost 4 in a row last february

its called a blip , or in our case, our fans shout man the lifeboats we are doomed

In our case a blip that's lasted almost 6 years. Things get worse and worse and worse, yet we're supposed to carry on without objection according to some of you.

 

[SwissBlade]

yet we're supposed to carry on without objection according to some of you.

Completely wrong, but there is currently no strong argument for sacking a manager other than 5 defeats in 29 (Dickov 17 in 30; Curle 8 in 29)

Incidentally the top 6 defeats table looks like this:

Tranmere 6
Doncaster 7
Bournemouth 6
Swindon 6
Brentford 5
SUFC 5

I know its not all about defeats, but 3 of those have come since the end of December.

 

[Fiery Blade]

But our defeats are compounded by 12 drawn matches including Crewe, Bury, Oldham, Notts Co at home
We have failed to beat any side in the top six other than Bournemouth (before Eddie Howe) - in essence Swiss even taking into account how poor we have played game after game we have pissed away 21 home points this season - Playing in front of the biggest crowd in the division should give us a huge advantage - but it's our home record that is proving our achilles heel!

 

[Kenilworth]

Then there is also the level of expectation that goes with having the largest budget in the division and the largest crowds.

Bramall Lane is always a fortress in the years we gain a promotion but once again all the signs are there for a complete collapse. Too many draws, not enough chances created, we have less possession that the opposition in just about every game we play (scandalous) and we are now leaking goals all over the place - at least in the early stages of the season we were tight at the back - Boring but tight - now we are boring, seem to play less than one half of a game and leaking like a sieve.

 

[sheffielder]

Then there is also the level of expectation that goes with having the largest budget in the division and the largest crowds.

Bramall Lane is always a fortress in the years we gain a promotion but once again all the signs are there for a complete collapse. Too many draws, not enough chances created, we have less possession that the opposition in just about every game we play (scandalous) and we are now leaking goals all over the place - at least in the early stages of the season we were tight at the back - Boring but tight - now we are boring, seem to play less than one half of a game and leaking like a sieve.

65% for Coventry on Friday

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Completely wrong, but there is currently no strong argument for sacking a manager other than 5 defeats in 29 (Dickov 17 in 30; Curle 8 in 29)

Hang on Swiss let's back up a little bit, I've never said I want Wilson out. I've always backed the manager and still do now. My issue is with a minority who seem to simply ignore (and ask the rest of us to ignore) the way the club is being run. It is moving backwards with seemingly unstoppable force and I lay the blame squarely at the feet of the owner, not at Wilson.

My only criticism of Wilson is that he needs to be tougher with certain under-performing individuals. He needs to bolder/braver with his team selection or he could find himself becoming another scapegoat for the boss before too long. I have no desire to see that happen.

 

[super_pig]

We are dropping points by small margins

small margins are the difference between success and failure at this level though mate

 

[super_pig]

Tuesday night will define our season.

Will Shakespeare was clearly a Blade.

but a lancastrian apologist all the same

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Just read some quotes from an interview with DW today. Looks like he's getting ready to put Diego in our starting lineup.

 

[super_pig]

Just read some quotes from an interview with DW today. Looks like he's getting ready to put Diego in our starting lineup.

yeah this does my head in .. one minute they're 'not good enough'.. then they get dumped into a must win game and expected to perform (like kennedy the other week).. poor forward planning IMO

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

yeah this does my head in .. one minute they're 'not good enough'.. then they get dumped into a must win game and expected to perform (like kennedy the other week).. poor forward planning IMO

Must admit I never like the idea of throwing promising youngsters into the first team when the pressure is on. Having said that you could argue that it's the best kind of experience for them and a chance to see exactly how good they are.

 

[super_pig]

Must admit I never like the idea of throwing promising youngsters into the first team when the pressure is on. Having said that you could argue that it's the best kind of experience for them and a chance to see exactly how good they are.

kennedy played pretty well considering at donny by all accounts.. his reward.. back to the reserves Harry walks back in.. WRONG DANNY

 

[BladeFisher]

I believe Phil parkinson was nailed on when Wilson was put in charge ,but for a last minute change of mind ( cost me a packet) ,he hasnt done bad ,but I do think Danny will take us up this season.

lol

 

[BladeFisher]

Completely wrong, but there is currently no strong argument for sacking a manager other than 5 defeats in 29 (Dickov 17 in 30; Curle 8 in 29)

Incidentally the top 6 defeats table looks like this:

Tranmere 6
Doncaster 7
Bournemouth 6
Swindon 6
Brentford 5
SUFC 5

I know its not all about defeats, but 3 of those have come since the end of December.

And that is the point! Wilson has lost/is losing it and the sale of Blackman has just made it a lot worse. Like a lot of things in life football is about momentum and belief. How else do you account for Luton winning at Norwich, Reading mounting a real challenge to get out of the bootom three in the Prem, Bradford not succombing in the 2nd leg at Villa.

No our only hope at the moment is that SUFC v Hartlepool was a 'rigged game' and the people who were swindled were us - no passion and a spineless performance.

I do not expect a recovery just a slow drift to mid table mediocrity.

 

[sheffielder]

Completely wrong, but there is currently no strong argument for sacking a manager other than 5 defeats in 29 (Dickov 17 in 30; Curle 8 in 29)

Incidentally the top 6 defeats table looks like this:

Tranmere 6
Doncaster 7
Bournemouth 6
Swindon 6
Brentford 5
SUFC 5

I know its not all about defeats, but 3 of those have come since the end of December.

We can all make stats suit our argument. How's the wins table for the top 6?

 

[blade too long]

In our case a blip that's lasted almost 6 years. Things get worse and worse and worse, yet we're supposed to carry on without objection according to some of you.

6 YEARS / oh since relegation from the prem , wrong angle to come from , weve had 1 season in the prem in the last 20 that was a high, and relegation , like so many others from the prem crippled us financially , you are setting the prem as the norm , which is way off the mark
#
I see now the moaners think we are a prem side wallowing 2 divisions below our level
utter crap , weve been a non top league side since 1974 having only been safe in that division for 3 seasons since , if we stop having a highly over optimistic view of our true status , true fans might be less critical

 

[metalblade]

6 YEARS / oh since relegation from the prem , wrong angle to come from , weve had 1 season in the prem in the last 20 that was a high, and relegation , like so many others from the prem crippled us financially , you are setting the prem as the norm , which is way off the mark
#
I see now the moaners think we are a prem side wallowing 2 divisions below our level
utter crap , weve been a non top league side since 1974 having only been safe in that division for 3 seasons since , if we stop having a highly over optimistic view of our true status , true fans might be less critical

Utter rubbish, in the 85 years up to 1974 we spent 54 years in Division One .................... see anyone can pick a time period to suit their argument. We have never been out of the top two divisions in the ninety years up to 1979. Since 1974 six seasons in the top flight, seven in the third tier and the rest played in the second tier. Looking at it my way we have been a top flight club for more than half of our league history. A strange argument of yours that states the negative moaners are the over optimistic ones LOL. Mind you give it a few more years with these incumbents and you will be right for all time periods.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

6 YEARS / oh since relegation from the prem , wrong angle to come from , weve had 1 season in the prem in the last 20 that was a high, and relegation , like so many others from the prem crippled us financially , you are setting the prem as the norm , which is way off the mark
#
I see now the moaners think we are a prem side wallowing 2 divisions below our level
utter crap , weve been a non top league side since 1974 having only been safe in that division for 3 seasons since , if we stop having a highly over optimistic view of our true status , true fans might be less critical

Not at all, you're twisting my argument. I'm saying we've been in decline for 6 years, I'm not setting anything as the norm. Despite one brief sign of recovery (just after Blackwell got the job) we have steadily gone downhill as a club and as a football team.....we continue to do so with no signs of turning it around any time soon.

Oh and can we stop with the labelling please? I don't call anyone a clapper or a moaner and I don't expect the same. I've always been very upbeat and measured with my criticism on here. I've simply had enough of the decline at our football club.

I support my club and I cheer on the players (I never ever jeer them) but I simply will not accept the unacceptable! You can if you like that's your prerogative.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

A strange argument of yours that states the negative moaners are the over optimistic ones.

Yes the irony wasn't lost on me either.

 

[super_pig]

6 YEARS / oh since relegation from the prem , wrong angle to come from , weve had 1 season in the prem in the last 20 that was a high, and relegation , like so many others from the prem crippled us financially , you are setting the prem as the norm , which is way off the mark
#
I see now the moaners think we are a prem side wallowing 2 divisions below our level
utter crap , weve been a non top league side since 1974 having only been safe in that division for 3 seasons since , if we stop having a highly over optimistic view of our true status , true fans might be less critical

no mate. we ARE a prem outfit wallowing below our level due to incompetence and mismanagement that makes the shah of iran look organised and in touch. .our attendance figures and club history prove that..

don't settle for less.

 

[Kenilworth]

6 YEARS / oh since relegation from the prem , wrong angle to come from , weve had 1 season in the prem in the last 20 that was a high, and relegation , like so many others from the prem crippled us financially , you are setting the prem as the norm , which is way off the mark
#
I see now the moaners think we are a prem side wallowing 2 divisions below our level
utter crap , weve been a non top league side since 1974 having only been safe in that division for 3 seasons since , if we stop having a highly over optimistic view of our true status , true fans might be less critical

Bobbins - we are a club of a size, with a ground to match and from a city large enough to sustain two Prem sides.
What we are recently is a set of serial underachievers. Contrast that with the likes of Wigan and Reading, Swansea and latterly clubs like Blackburn and Bolton who have all well overachieved.

SUFC is not some tin pot club from the lower leagues that is punching well above it's weight. We are not Bradford in the 1st Division, nor Barnsley with a brief foray into the top flight. We come from the 4th largest city in England so we should expect better from those running and representing our club.

Mind you, I can see where you get your optimism from - you seem to accept a level below mediocrity more readily than most. I admire your resolve BTL but it's very rose tinted, isn't it?

 

[Jostein Flo]

I would agree that we're set up for Premier League football but to be honest we're not a Premier League club at the moment because we lack the only resource that counts - cash. Having a wealthy owner is pretty much the only defining quality of what constitutes a top flight team now.

The size of the ground and fanbase, the quality of the training and academy faciites, the history, tradition, philosophy and status of the club are important but they will only count if you have an owner who is fully bought into the club's success with the cash and ambition to make the team an established Premier League force.

You can call Wigan, Swansea and Reading small clubs all you like but they're at that level because they have owners with the resources and drive to make them top flight clubs. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with League One football, I'd love to see us back in the Premier League but we're not getting there with McCabe in charge. Ever.

 

[ScoobBlade]

Most of the team will not be here no matter who is in charge ,thats football ,who are all these over 30's ? Doyle is the only permanent one ,every team has experienced pros ,you need them ,I personally think the younger players are at least as poor at the moment.
So what if Grayson takes over or Adkins and we dont go up ,or we struggle next season ,what then ? Instead of sacking everyone and his dog why not work through it ,much more cost effective and probably more succesfull.

Couldn't agree more, some people will never learn though !

 

[blade too long]

Utter rubbish, in the 85 years up to 1974 we spent 54 years in Division One .................... see anyone can pick a time period to suit their argument. We have never been out of the top two divisions in the ninety years up to 1979. Since 1974 six seasons in the top flight, seven in the third tier and the rest played in the second tier. Looking at it my way we have been a top flight club for more than half of our league history. A strange argument of yours that states the negative moaners are the over optimistic ones LOL. Mind you give it a few more years with these incumbents and you will be right for all time periods.

but we are talking modern history our 1925 cup win , no one at bramall lane would have seen

 

[blade too long]

Bobbins - we are a club of a size, with a ground to match and from a city large enough to sustain two Prem sides.
What we are recently is a set of serial underachievers. Contrast that with the likes of Wigan and Reading, Swansea and latterly clubs like Blackburn and Bolton who have all well overachieved.

SUFC is not some tin pot club from the lower leagues that is punching well above it's weight. We are not Bradford in the 1st Division, nor Barnsley with a brief foray into the top flight. We come from the 4th largest city in England so we should expect better from those running and representing our club.

Mind you, I can see where you get your optimism from - you seem to accept a level below mediocrity more readily than most. I admire your resolve BTL but it's very rose tinted, isn't it?

yes we are a club of size , but not of recent achievement or recent top flight attendance#
we should be proud of our selves , but to think being 2 divisions below our "NORM" as Iwas responding to is totally misleading. for 40 years , 2 generations we are on average a top 10 championship side , a fact we cant deny, so we are less than a division out of our rightful spot , until we hit form, to insist we should be a top flight club is for us , pushing it