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Toledo Blade said:
Hi Woodwardfan, I might be new, but it does not mean that I do not have a voice. If you feel that I am not positive enough sorry, but the truth does hurt, I suspect that the majority of Blade fans are hurting right now also. its not that I stated lies, is it? I will take on board your comment, and be more positive with a quote. To be truly positive in the eyes of some, you have to risk appearing negative in the eyes of others.”
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I think it was just a light hearted comment tbf.
 



Woodwardfan said:
Maybe a few suggestions and solutions other than burgers might help.
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You have to agree the burgers are good, but they should have real Heinz sauce instead of the cheap own label stuff, serviettes would be nice also that you could wipe your mouth more than twice before disappeared into mush. You see for a burger van its easy to rectify, We spend most of the time justifying the situation at the lane and not finding the real problem thus leaving minimal chance of solutions or suggestions
 
Toledo Blade said:
You have to agree the burgers are good, but they should have real Heinz sauce instead of the cheap own label stuff, serviettes would be nice also that you could wipe your mouth more than twice before disappeared into mush. You see for a burger van its easy to rectify, We spend most of the time justifying the situation at the lane and not finding the real problem thus leaving minimal chance of solutions or suggestions
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Just give us your best 2 or 3 suggestions/ solutions, never mind "we", what about "you".

That list of yours is so, so easy in bad times, don't you think?
 
Spelt 'fucking' wrong as well.
 
idleurchin said:
I'd love us to be known for:
  • Aggressive closing down when out of possession (we seem to wait for a mistake rather than forcing one)
  • Winning the ball back high up the pitch (which we hardly ever do)
  • Attacking full backs (we do have this already tbf)
  • Overlapping wing play (remember that?)
  • Loads of crosses - assuming someone's actually in the f\/cking box (see below)
  • Shoot on site - be greedy FFS!
  • Attacking in numbers - the amount of time I've seen us put crosses into a penalty with no players there this and lest season drives me mad!
  • Pace in the key areas (wide & up front)
  • Intelligent use of the long ball (it's not a crime)
Imagine the crowd if we played like this. Bramall Lane would be rocking again.

Appreciate it's not as simple as saying "lets just do all these things" and all of a sudden we'll be top of the league.

Just want to see a bit more umph from us.

We need the right players with the right attitude first.
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I hope we've been scouting at Bayern Munich if this is what we need.

Good post but I think what you've stated is just an ideal world football club. I'd just like to see a group of players who work for each other and are good enough footballers to be in with a chance of winning each game, in doing this we'll tick a few of your boxes from above.

I'm hoping that this is what Adkins is going to assemble but it's not going to be done overnight and needs some longevity in terms of a management team, I think if we are in the position come April/May he will be gone in the close season.
 
idleurchin said:
I'd love us to be known for:
  • Aggressive closing down when out of possession (we seem to wait for a mistake rather than forcing one)
  • Winning the ball back high up the pitch (which we hardly ever do)
  • Attacking full backs (we do have this already tbf)
  • Overlapping wing play (remember that?)
  • Loads of crosses - assuming someone's actually in the f\/cking box (see below)
  • Shoot on site - be greedy FFS!
  • Attacking in numbers - the amount of time I've seen us put crosses into a penalty with no players there this and lest season drives me mad!
  • Pace in the key areas (wide & up front)
  • Intelligent use of the long ball (it's not a crime)
Imagine the crowd if we played like this. Bramall Lane would be rocking again.

Appreciate it's not as simple as saying "lets just do all these things" and all of a sudden we'll be top of the league.

Just want to see a bit more umph from us.

We need the right players with the right attitude first.
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  • Some teams press for a limited period - and then sit off. Anything more is unsustainable. We have done this this season on quite a few occasions
  • Pressing high up the pitch just means you get picked off by anyone even a quarter decent - teams can play football nowadays - they have the technical ability, the laws to protect them, and the pitches to play on - three reasons why passing is in vogue in some places
  • teams are better at defending overlapping wingers (and crosses in general) - this whole notion of cutting inside first came to prominence in England with Pires, say, at Arsenal - a right footed player on the left - it's just not possible - the point being that if you cut in you are actually headed towards the goal
  • take a look at the number of goals of the week in any media you like that are players cutting in and shooting
  • shoot on sight = conceded possession on sight - we are shot shy to some extent (though Baxter has a couple recently) but it's every manager's dream to have the opposition hopefully blasting the ball goalwards from 25 yards out
  • attack in numbers - this is what we're missing - the mobile midfield
  • pace - see above
  • almost literally incredible - we use the long ball intelligently all the time - Bob is a particularly good exponent of this, but McEveley can be, Baxter is obviously, even Collins can be - we also hoof it hopelessly
The attitude of the players again. Those players who keep coming back from 1 or 2 goals down while sections of the crowd have given up and starting having a go at them.

This whole post strikes me as nostalgia. The game has moved on.

That said, I'd be interested to know what Bergen Blade saw in it that raised a like.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
  • Some teams press for a limited period - and then sit off. Anything more is unsustainable. We have done this this season on quite a few occasions
  • Pressing high up the pitch just means you get picked off by anyone even a quarter decent - teams can play football nowadays - they have the technical ability, the laws to protect them, and the pitches to play on - three reasons why passing is in vogue in some places
  • teams are better at defending overlapping wingers (and crosses in general) - this whole notion of cutting inside first came to prominence in England with Pires, say, at Arsenal - a right footed player on the left - it's just not possible - the point being that if you cut in you are actually headed towards the goal
  • take a look at the number of goals of the week in any media you like that are players cutting in and shooting
  • shoot on sight = conceded possession on sight - we are shot shy to some extent (though Baxter has a couple recently) but it's every manager's dream to have the opposition hopefully blasting the ball goalwards from 25 yards out
  • attack in numbers - this is what we're missing - the mobile midfield
  • pace - see above
  • almost literally incredible - we use the long ball intelligently all the time - Bob is a particularly good exponent of this, but McEveley can be, Baxter is obviously, even Collins can be - we also hoof it hopelessly
The attitude of the players again. Those players who keep coming back from 1 or 2 goals down while sections of the crowd have given up and starting having a go at them.

This whole post strikes me as nostalgia. The game has moved on.

That said, I'd be interested to know what Bergen Blade saw in it that raised a like.
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I think the idea of the club establishing a footballing identity, a football philosophy that goes on through the reigns of various managers is a good one. When things haven't worked in the past we've often chosen the polar opposite of the previous manager, and in the long run it's lead to too many changes, too much adaption and upheaval, rather than gradual improvements and tweaks to update and modernise some established aims. I want us to find something we're going to be really good at, something we're going to do a little better than everybody else.

If this is carried out throughout the club it can help with the recruitment and development of players, and it could help us with the decision of managerial appointments.

Of course, the philosophy would have to be decided by the right people. Many argues that a Director of Football will only be an extra drain on resources, but it's time for us to learn that continual short term planning ("the bouncing back-strategy") is what has brought us to our current position.
 
Toledo Blade said:
I was reading this and thinking if we only got 2 of the requests you mentioned that would fantastic, but it made me think what have we got really.


Kevin McCabe who nobody really likes, in fact reading the posts hate him.

Abdullah bin Musa'ed bin Abdulaziz AlSaud Who‘s name is nowhere near as long as his trouser pockets, because he’s not spending any of his money he promised.

The largest assembled team ever in the history of any team in the third tier, and no doubt the largest wage bill.

A club that’s sells it best players at every opportunity.

A club that has wasted more money in the transfer market and gained no promotion.

A club that hires and fires managers, as if it has gone out of fashion.

A team that produces nothing week after week, no effort, sweat, determination, grit. I could go on for ever

A support base that lives on yesterday’s dreams, as they see no hope for the future.

A cop that used to sing like a choir of a 1,000 men and women now sings like a solo act at the club.

I could go on for ever but I hope you get the picture

But hey we did get a new pitch; we have some of the best burger vans outside any ground in Europe, and the best bit of all, I still look forward to every game and I can say that Sunday cannot come around quick enough for me.
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At least we're heading towards having the best ground in non-league football (ever)! Every cloud... :D
 
Bergen Blade said:
I think the idea of the club establishing a footballing identity, a football philosophy that goes on through the reigns of various managers is a good one. When things haven't worked in the past we've often chosen the polar opposite of the previous manager, and in the long run it's lead to too many changes, too much adaption and upheaval, rather than gradual improvements and tweaks to update and modernise some established aims. I want us to find something we're going to be really good at, something we're going to do a little better than everybody else.

If this is carried out throughout the club it can help with the recruitment and development of players, and it could help us with the decision of managerial appointments.

Of course, the philosophy would have to be decided by the right people. Many argues that a Director of Football will only be an extra drain on resources, but it's time for us to learn that continual short term planning ("the bouncing back-strategy") is what has brought us to our current position.
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I recall seeing an interview which Klinnsman gave shortly after he was appointed as Germany's manager, he talked about identifying a style of play & call it an identity for want of a better word, that he wanted the German team to be known for.

They subsequently went on to win the WC in 2014.
 
Deaneandagana said:
I recall seeing an interview which Klinnsman gave shortly after he was appointed as Germany's manager, he talked about identifying a style of play & call it an identity for want of a better word, that he wanted the German team to be known for.

They subsequently went on to win the WC in 2014.
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They did succeed in getting an identity too; combining aspects of tiki-taka with Northern European power and strength. Or in simple terms, big fuckers who can play with a couple of smaller playmakers. If you talk about the 'German style' most people know what you mean, just as they know what the Spanish style is (or was).
 



BushBlade said:
They did succeed in getting an identity too; combining aspects of tiki-taka with Northern European power and strength. Or in simple terms, big fuckers who can play with a couple of smaller playmakers. If you talk about the 'German style' most people know what you mean, just as they know what the Spanish style is (or was).
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German style is English style with slightly better technical players (see Chelsea style).. you English are so obsessed with the Barcelona thing that you have forgotten your own style. Guardiola isn't implementing tikka takka at Bayern'.. quote from my mate who is a massive Bayern fan
tikka takka is bollocks. anyone would win with messi in the team irrelevant of style
 
And Pep hates it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...aka-its-rubbish-and-completely-pointless.html

You often get the feeling we pass the ball for the sake of it without an actual plan - whether this is due to our players limitations or a genuine lack of method is a different matter. Barca excel at pressing (the book by Graham Hunter goes into it in some decent detail) but it wouldn't suit the players we currently have in midfield IMO. I'd love to see us attack a bit more directly but I'm not convinced we have the players to do it...yet. January will be telling as to what direction the club is heading.
 
super_pig said:
German style is English style with slightly better technical players (see Chelsea style).. you English are so obsessed with the Barcelona thing that you have forgotten your own style. Guardiola isn't implementing tikka takka at Bayern'.. quote from my mate who is a massive Bayern fan
tikka takka is bollocks. anyone would win with messi in the team irrelevant of style
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Big fuckers who can play, with a couple of smaller playmakers is just another way of saying English style with better technical players.

Agree about Barca, highest wage bill in the world at the time so you'd expect them to be good. Tiki taka suited them because they had Xavi and Iniesta in midfield and, as you say, Messi.
However, one thing I disagree with is your last point; we could have Messi, Ronaldo, Bale and Neymar in our side with Pep managing and we'd still lose the L1 playoffs to some team with an average attendance of 5k.
 
An identity on the pitch comes from selling a player and then buying another that is successfully doing the same job elsewhere.
ie, Selling a midfield playmaker and buying another midfield playmaker.
selling a goalscorer and buying another goalscorer
selling a fast, tricky winger and buying another fast tricky winger
selling a rock at centre half and buying another rock at centre half

There quickly becomes a style of play attached to the club that players coming in are more likely to fit into.
This club sells a rock at centre half and buys seven shit, versatile players to cover all positions creating chaos and misunderstanding.

They've always done it.
That's why selling our best player (which is usually our only good player) always leads to disaster.
 
Toledo Blade said:
I was reading this and thinking if we only got 2 of the requests you mentioned that would fantastic, but it made me think what have we got really.


Kevin McCabe who nobody really likes, in fact reading the posts hate him.

Abdullah bin Musa'ed bin Abdulaziz AlSaud Who‘s name is nowhere near as long as his trouser pockets, because he’s not spending any of his money he promised.

The largest assembled team ever in the history of any team in the third tier, and no doubt the largest wage bill.

A club that’s sells it best players at every opportunity.

A club that has wasted more money in the transfer market and gained no promotion.

A club that hires and fires managers, as if it has gone out of fashion.

A team that produces nothing week after week, no effort, sweat, determination, grit. I could go on for ever

A support base that lives on yesterday’s dreams, as they see no hope for the future.

A cop that used to sing like a choir of a 1,000 men and women now sings like a solo act at the club.

I could go on for ever but I hope you get the picture

But hey we did get a new pitch; we have some of the best burger vans outside any ground in Europe, and the best bit of all, I still look forward to every game and I can say that Sunday cannot come around quick enough for me.
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Excellent post. Apart from, cop is Kop and I would hope at our best the Kop would sound like 5-10000 singing. Poccetinho thought we created a good atmosphere.
 
I doesn't normelly spell stuff rong that much. Must have bean having a bad day at the offis.

I howp you can all forgive me my misty meeners.
 
Alfreton14Blade said:
Jimbo talked the other week about the need for the club to enshrine a footballing identity that goes above & beyond individual managers' preferred styles, & which gets passed on from manager to manager (which, tbh, would be the entire opposite of our modus operandi over recent years).

Could we ever realistically agree on such a thing across the fan base though, given the evident long-standing split between those who want a modern footballing ethos & those who want a return to something approaching long-ball?

O/P makes a good fist of it, to be fair. I'd add in a general commitment to attacking football too.
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I think there are 2 things which will be required to keep the fans onside.


Players running through brick walls to win the battles and


Plenty of attacking intent.


We tend to forgive lesser technical ability if those elements are there but find laziness or cowardice unforgivable. I suppose you could add pace and power to the list but that should be a pre-requisite for any team.
 
BushBlade said:
Can never understand why any club doesn't have a long ball option, certainly outside the PL. It's ideal for when clubs try the high press game, it just negates it. High press, high line, bang - ball over the top or flick on from big man to pacy midget.
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Agreed, thought it worked very well with Kabba and Shipperly in the first half of our promotion season. Jags and Monty first and foremost broke play up (though Jags also got forward to chip in with goals. We’d play Tonge or Quinn as a narrow left sided midfielder cutting in and play Ifill or Gillespe as an out and out right winger. That had a nice balance to it. With the players we have now I think the nearest we could get is Basham and Hammond in the middle. Baxter or Coutts as the narrow wide man. JCR or Adams as the wide man. Sammon and Done as the pace and power up front.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
The attitude of the players again. Those players who keep coming back from 1 or 2 goals down while sections of the crowd have given up and starting having a go at them.

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I take exception to that argument. People talk about showing character in coming back. I would say the complete lack of urgency until we go 1 or 2 nil down and the crowd are furious shows a lack of character and professionalism as does the attitude of “we need to match the opposition for effort”. Does anyone think the opposition come to the lane looking to “match” our effort? If not, you have a scenario where one team is looking to match the opposition for effort and the other is looking to exceed the opposition’s effort, which do you think is going to put more effort in in that scenario? Brayford mentioned this in a recent interview and it seemed the penny has at least dropped with him. Let’s hope we’ve seen the end of those sort of comments and that mentality. For me, attitude and application have been a massive issue for a good chunk of our time down here. Clough managed to harness a spirit in the run-in of 2013/14 season but since then, there seems so little desire or spirit in the squad for so much of the time.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I take exception to that argument. People talk about showing character in coming back. I would say the complete lack of urgency until we go 1 or 2 nil down and the crowd are furious shows a lack of character and professionalism as does the attitude of “we need to match the opposition for effort”. Does anyone think the opposition come to the lane looking to “match” our effort? If not, you have a scenario where one team is looking to match the opposition for effort and the other is looking to exceed the opposition’s effort, which do you think is going to put more effort in in that scenario? Brayford mentioned this in a recent interview and it seemed the penny has at least dropped with him. Let’s hope we’ve seen the end of those sort of comments and that mentality. For me, attitude and application have been a massive issue for a good chunk of our time down here. Clough managed to harness a spirit in the run-in of 2013/14 season but since then, there seems so little desire or spirit in the squad for so much of the time.
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With Brayford though, it's less about the penny having dropped, more that that's just the way he is. Oh for 11 John Brayfords!

Dare I say it, but Dean Hammond's looking like he's got a similar sort of way about him (albeit with a seemingly waning talent).
 



Alfreton14Blade said:
With Brayford though, it's less about the penny having dropped, more that that's just the way he is. Oh for 11 John Brayfords!

Dare I say it, but Dean Hammond's looking like he's got a similar sort of way about him (albeit with a seemingly waning talent).
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Yeah agree about Brayford. I've read comments from the likes of Baxter and even managers before about "matching the opposition for effort" and "our quality shining through" though. Hammond does seem to have the right attitude. He's just incredibly slow. He might do better with more mobile midfielders alongside him.
 
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