The Players

[silverfox]

How much are they to blame?

A few don't deserve the shirt IMO.

 

[bobby ford]

How much are they to blame?

A few don't deserve the shirt IMO.

Yeh some players.

which ones do you have in mind?

 

[shorehamview]

Some players today didn't seem bothered. Whether that's because they don't want to play for the manager or the club is the question. Ehiogu was, frankly, as much use as a big roll of lino. Beattie seemed indifferent, so did Tonge.

 

[silverfox]

Yeh some players.

which ones do you have in mind?

Let's start with one of each (before and bought).

Tonge and Naysmith.

If I was Tonge i'd be ashamed to take my wages.

This thread doesn't negate any blame Robson should take but the players should still put a shift in.

 

[bobby ford]

Ehiogu was useless.

I dont think naysmith is the same player when he puts on a red and white shirt

beattie couldnt care less..just walking about expecting the ball to fall for him

 

[keenzy]

the players have part in it. Today it looked like they dont want to play for robson.

The only bit of passion was from a 38year old in midfield.

 

[bobby ford]

but under the right man.

all these players can perform

(excluding ehiogu)

 

[Sensiblade]

Ehiogu was useless.

I dont think naysmith is the same player when he puts on a red and white shirt

beattie couldnt care less..just walking about expecting the ball to fall for him

Don't agree about Beattie, his movement off the ball is better than people give credit for and he gets back to defend when he needs to.

Tonge was awful today.

 

[bobby ford]

the players have part in it. Today it looked like they dont want to play for robson.

The only bit of passion was from a 38year old in midfield.

agree.

Bit sad when the older players want it more than the younger ones

 

[bobby ford]

Don't agree about Beattie, his movement off the ball is better than people give credit for and he gets back to defend when he needs to.

Tonge was awful today.

sorry mate, but tell me anythin beattie did well today

I do like him as a player but would much have prefered sharp/stead

He had a bad day, even nobsor saw that

 

[silverfox]

the players have part in it. Today it looked like they dont want to play for robson.

The only bit of passion was from a 38year old in midfield.

The players should want to play for the club and the fans.

If they don't or won't they should not be here.

 

[keenzy]

agree with that SF. Shouldn't pick there wages up, donate it to charity.

 

[shorehamview]

Paddy - not really tested, did what he had to.
Naysmith - rubbish.
Morgan - played ok.
Ehiogu - a waste of wages, shirt, oxygen and food.
Del - played ok. Just ok.
Cotterill - too much flash stuff. Jury still out.
Speed - a decent performance. Let somebody take a free kick now and again.
Martin - reasonable.
Tonge - wage thief today.
Beattie - not match fit yet.
Hulse - tried hard, not much end product.
Killa - reasonable.
Billy - tried, but out-muscled yet again.
Shelton - ran around a lot. Did he complete any passes?

Kidd - shouted a lot.
Robson - should have walked down the tunnel, got in his Merc and fucked off.

 

[silverfox]

agree with that SF. Shouldn't pick there wages up, donate it to charity.

Robson and Kidd could show an example perhaps??

 

[shorehamview]

Robson and Kidd could show an example perhaps??

Hopefully by being fed to tigers.

 

[Bladesman]

Yeah they do shoulder some of the blame but a manager should be able to manage and motivate his players.

None of them today looked like they gave a toss really.

 

[silverfox]

Yeah they do shoulder some of the blame but a manager should be able to manage and motivate his players.

None of them today looked like they gave a toss really.

So if my boss doesn't motivate me I shouldn't do my job??

No wonder this country is going downhill.

:shakehead:

 

[matth]

If your boss didn't give you what you needed to do the job right, you'd probably get annoyed, and I'm sure you wouldn't work at full potential.

Robson and Kidd have to provide tactics - which they're not doing successfully - and they also have to instil enthusiasm in the team, especially when things aren't going well. They don't do that successfully either.

Football isn't like any other industry, so it's disingenuous to compare it to your job.

 

[Foxy]

Robson and Kidd have to provide tactics - which they're not doing successfully

How would you have played it differently? other than leaving people up for opposition corners?

 

[matth]

I'm not a manager; it's not my job to define the tactics.

Robson and Kidd are, and it's clear that their efforts aren't working - nor have they ever been.

 

[silverfox]

If your boss didn't give you what you needed to do the job right, you'd probably get annoyed, and I'm sure you wouldn't work at full potential.

I always work to full potential.

Don't you?

You can of course ask my boss.

 

[Foxy]

I'm not a manager; it's not my job to define the tactics.

Robson and Kidd are, and it's clear that their efforts aren't working - nor have they ever been.

So how can you single out the tactics if you have no alternative or idea what they should be?

How can you define the tactics at fault and not the players?

 

[matth]

I always work to full potential.

Don't you?

You can of course ask my boss.

Yes, and it helps that I have good managers above me.

 

[matth]

So how can you single out the tactics if you have no alternative or idea what they should be?

How can you define the tactics at fault and not the players?

Because they're not working, and most of the time it looks as though we have no tactics at all.

The players are all clearly good enough; many of them have been successful either under different managers or at different clubs. If they're suddenly underperforming under Robson, there's obviously something else there at the root of the problem.

 

[silverfox]

Yes, and it helps that I have good managers above me.

So if the manager is crap you wouldn't bother?

I would never rip off the customer/client/whatever even if I didn't like/agree with the manager/boss.

Yes is does help if you have a decent manager but you should not lower standards because of them.

If you do you don't deserve the job.

 

[matth]

I didn't say that. You're putting words into my mouth, and you're also comparing football with a normal job, which doesn't work.

Good on you for being such a hard worker.

 

[silverfox]

I didn't say that. You're putting words into my mouth, and you're also comparing football with a normal job, which doesn't work.

Good on you for being such a hard worker.

I want the players to earn their money.......as well as the manager.

Simple.

 

[Foxy]

Because they're not working, and most of the time it looks as though we have no tactics at all.

The players are all clearly good enough; many of them have been successful either under different managers or at different clubs. If they're suddenly underperforming under Robson, there's obviously something else there at the root of the problem.

I'm not saying things are working, they clearly aren't. I just don't think the one man can be blamed.

It may have reached the stage where to move on we need to change management, but it certainly isn't all Robsons fault.

I can't believe in the days that players are booed off the pitch when subbed (yet opposition given a standing ovaition)... that people can completely ignore players performances/effort etc.

I think it speaks volumes that you have no suggestions as to how the tactics could have been different today.

I'm at a loss as to how we can sort out the situation personally.

 

[matth]

And so does everyone else.

 

[matth]

I think it speaks volumes that you have no suggestions as to how the tactics could have been different today.

I'm at a loss as to how we can sort out the situation personally.

As I've explained before, I am not a football manager. Unlike some people who maintain that they could do a better job, I very much doubt I could - but that doesn't mean that I want Robson to stay in the job. He's a lot more qualified than me.

I think it speaks volumes that you're pursuing some ridiculous point which I've already refuted, but there you go.