The overlapping centre half trick

[PokerBlade]

The good thing about Wilder, is his ability to adapt to the opponents style/tactics quickly. That's why he's such a good manager.

He's a good motivator too, I bet there is a lot of quotes pinned around the walls from some "journo's"

Seems like we spent all of this week's training on those diagonal balls. I figured Villa would find a way to cut it out after half-time but it stretched them time after time and they never found a response.

 

[Selly]

but it's total football at times

It's exactly this. There was a period in the first half when Enda had come inside and Fleck simply moved out to the left and played in his position, and they didn't revert until such time as it was 'natural' to do so.

It's a small thing but it means there isn't that 5-10 seconds when we have players in transition, meaning everyone know where there will be someone in the right positions.

It's a level of organisation that turns individuals into a team more than the sum of its parts.

 

[SuperBobbyHatton]

Ajax in the 70's developed a system called "total football", where the aim was that every player could play every position...ambitious I know.
I think it was built round Johan Cruyff and he then took the concept to Barcelona and turned their fortunes round when he was there. I feel a bit daft saying this but our team reminds me of that. I think knill and wilder could have the same affect on United. Great times to be a blade.
Just looked and jimw1889 also mentioned total football.

 

[SwissBlade]

I bet there isn`t.

There is
Billy confirmed last night

Who would you choose, and most importantly.. Why?

I'd go for Hendo as he had a swift leg.

 

[Kevin Arnott]

Like for Fleck's second. Left side of the box plays a ball into centre forwards feet where it's helped on for Goldy's flick. Baldock was the centre forward.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

There is
Billy confirmed last night

Accepted.

 

[10-0 win]

whenever in possession with the ball seems we have a twelth player due to our system, THAT'S down to tactics. so proud on our developments into PL - UTB

 

[Alf Tuppers Shorts]

Watching Lunny today, man does he have pace. Watch him go down that flank, quick as you like and no messing innit.

He touched the ball more times in the first 10 minutes of the second half than the whole of the first half put together . Thought he ,Bash and Balders where immense all second half.

 

[FatPaul]

The good thing about Wilder, is his ability to adapt to the opponents style/tactics quickly.

I have to disagree, the Newcastle match is a prime example. He saw they parked the bus, yet decided to keep an attacking 2 instead of pushing us forward.

When a team is defending that deeply, we need to try and force a goal rather than pass it about in the last 3rd.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Media attention, scouting and coaching has focused on our wonderful overlapping centre half trick. Anyone that watched last season and before under Wilder will agree.

However, it’s allowed us to play a new trick. A little bit of a con. Whilst teams look at our centre halves, they aren’t tracking Lunny and Fleck bursting from deep.

Lunny and Fleck are playing in a way that most clubs aren’t really tracking. I don’t think it’s because it’s so smart that they don’t see it, but it’s because they can’t concentrate enough to track it because they come from so deep.

There's that, plus the fact that teams seem so nervous of the overload, they're actually ignoring the basics of covering our WB's when the ball is on the other side.

The amount of free spaCe Baldock and Stevens have when we're attacking down the other flank is unreal. Baldock was open pretty much most of the first half if we could have found a space.

Tufty really is the Bill Belichek of the PL. He finds mis-matches all over the pitch and jumps all over them when he finds them!!

 

[Charlieblade]

Media attention, scouting and coaching has focused on our wonderful overlapping centre half trick. Anyone that watched last season and before under Wilder will agree.

However, it’s allowed us to play a new trick. A little bit of a con. Whilst teams look at our centre halves, they aren’t tracking Lunny and Fleck bursting from deep.

Lunny and Fleck are playing in a way that most clubs aren’t really tracking. I don’t think it’s because it’s so smart that they don’t see it, but it’s because they can’t concentrate enough to track it because they come from so deep.

I might be slightly concerned about your analysis giving our secrets away, but CWAK do seem to have nack of grasping opposition tactics before a game, and by the end of the first half, they can cut loose a bit.
We seem to have started the early games on the cautious side. not giving much away, especially at home. Management have read opposition teams and adapted our tactics accordingly.
Subtle changes for the second half seem to be spot on.
CWAK making life difficult for PL managers.

 

[anglian blade]

Overlapping centre halves are now being used by Ipswich, and rather unbelievably Phil Parkinson's Sunderland, both of whom scored 4 goals last weekend. I wonder how many other clubs are practising it in training but not yet daring to implement in a proper match

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Media attention, scouting and coaching has focused on our wonderful overlapping centre half trick. Anyone that watched last season and before under Wilder will agree.

However, it’s allowed us to play a new trick. A little bit of a con. Whilst teams look at our centre halves, they aren’t tracking Lunny and Fleck bursting from deep.

Lunny and Fleck are playing in a way that most clubs aren’t really tracking. I don’t think it’s because it’s so smart that they don’t see it, but it’s because they can’t concentrate enough to track it because they come from so deep.

Cat's out of the bag now.

 

[Sam64]

Overlapping centre halves are now being used by Ipswich, and rather unbelievably Phil Parkinson's Sunderland, both of whom scored 4 goals last weekend. I wonder how many other clubs are practising it in training but not yet daring to implement in a proper match

Pretty sure I saw a Millwall fan saying they were playing it too. It's spreading. IDK how long they've been doing it for but since going to a back 3 they've got 5W 2D 1L

 

[Harry's Game]

Don’t Worry Gareth Southgate and the English coaching gurus will keep four at the back going strong...

 

[Swannyblade]

Overlapping centre halves are now being used by Ipswich, and rather unbelievably Phil Parkinson's Sunderland, both of whom scored 4 goals last weekend. I wonder how many other clubs are practising it in training but not yet daring to implement in a proper match

How would our system cope with a team playing our system...code we cope with overlapping CB’s?

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

How would our system cope with a team playing our system...code we cope with overlapping CB’s?

Bash would run them down.

 

[Swannyblade]

Bash would run them down.

I have a feeling you’re probably right...what a machine

 

[CarlMcBlade]

A good manager can change tactics from the side of the pitch. But you need a good team to carry out those changes on the pitch.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

At lot has been made of the overlapping centre backs this season by PL pundits - and Wilder almost seems to be encouraging it at times. Almost as if he is allowing the media to promote the idea that this is our "big secret" whilst he and Knill have already moved on and started working out the next few steps. Whilst teams obsess about how to stop Basham and O'Connell, they are conveniently ignoring the talents of Fleck and Lundstram, Stevens and Baldock or how important McGoldrick often is to our play. Like good chess players, CWAK are always a step or three in front.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

It’s apparent to me that we are in danger of getting found out now. We should revert to underlapping centre backs, central wingers, wide centre forwards, defensive attacking midfielders, full quarter backs, playing in the hole in front of the strikers and goalie wag.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

It’s apparent to me that we are in danger of getting found out now. We should revert to underlapping centre backs, central wingers, wide centre forwards, defensive attacking midfielders, full quarter backs, playing in the hole in front of the strikers and goalie wag.

Goalie wag?

Save it for Anfield next season, that'll show em.

 

[SUFC Guy]

How would our system cope with a team playing our system...code we cope with overlapping CB’s?

We would employ Wednesday's tactics

 

[SUFC Guy]

Overlapping goalie with fk em up

 

[Varkanoid]

Its the future. Save that for season 2 in the PL.

 

[Swannyblade]

We would employ Wednesday's tactics

0-0 win??

 

[BettingBlade]

Overlapping goalie with fk em up

Egan would be great at covering for an overlapping keeper

 

[Wright1889]

Don’t Worry Gareth Southgate and the English coaching gurus will keep four at the back going strong...