The Official Keep Danny Wilson Thread....

[Kev Gee]

Although i was mortified when Danny was appointed, and kicked up a stink. (although i wasnt a car park protester)
I have been very pleased with Dannys performance since. Yes he has made some gaffs & sometimes has been abit shit in terms on reacting to situations on the field of play.
I think he has done really well & in terms of continuity i would like him to stay on another year or two.
I think he is best placed to choose who should make the step up from reserve/academy level for the inevitable influx of lower wage earners.

Finally dont forget that we finished on 90 points & were the 3rd highest scorers in Europe.
Its tragic..... but typically us, that we didnt go up.

 

[cahill]

Although i was mortified when Danny was appointed, and kicked up a stink. (although i wasnt a car park protester)
I have been very pleased with Dannys performance since. Yes he has made some gaffs & sometimes has been abit shit in terms on reacting to situations on the field of play.
I think he has done really well & in terms of continuity i would like him to stay on another year or two.
I think he is best placed to choose who should make the step up from reserve/academy level for the inevitable influx of lower wage earners.

Finally dont forget that we finished on 90 points & were the 3rd highest scorers in Europe.
Its tragic..... but typically us, that we didnt go up.

However lots of those goals were down to one mans ability who Danny Wilson didn't sign, and yes I realise that he did get the best out of said individual who didn't make such a good impresion at a higher level. Wilson was particularly unlucky with strikers at the end of the season and ultimately in losing his best midfielder for the last game. I don't see any benefit in changing managers and would definitely for the sake of continuity stick with him.

The penalty business was strange at Wembley 3 of his best 5 missed and the next few all scored. Did he pick the 5 or was it just who was willing? In future we just ought to have random selection

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Can't agree. Wilson did better than I expected at the start of the season, but he did have a big wage bill (for League 1). However, having had a big points lead, he blew that then choked at the final hurdle. It fits his past record, and I have no confidence in his ability to build a new side so for me he would have to go.

 

[super_pig]

Wilson has done a great job.. we were in total free fall when he arrived.. we now play football and i actually look forward to games.. he has a massive job to do now though.. the bootwell detrius has to go and wont want to 'cos of their lucrative contracts and the best will want to go and we should keep them.. i think the fans won't be patient and he could be gone by xmas if he gets it wrong..
the whole thing will be worthwhile if we finally get shot of monty and simmonsen

 

[bartman]

Can't agree. Wilson did better than I expected at the start of the season, but he did have a big wage bill (for League 1). However, having had a big points lead, he blew that then choked at the final hurdle. It fits his past record, and I have no confidence in his ability to build a new side so for me he would have to go.

We lost one of the last 12 or so games...hardly 'choked'

No one could have predicted the pigs winning 11 out of the last 14 games and drawing the other 3

 

[SwissBlade]

Keep him, but fans of Chelsea, Wednesday and Huddersfield will obviously say sacking the manager in the last quarter of the season works

Wilsons job gets much harder now, but please let's learn the lessons of this season:

- we need strength in depth, a squad not just a 1st 11
- strikers that can score...
- plan b - we need one for when we play physical teams
- no point having an expensive superstar if the back up is is shite- ched and macca prime examples
- no expensive has been bench warmers who are there for morale
- no more loanees!!!!

 

[travellingblade]

Keep him, but fans of Chelsea, Wednesday and Huddersfield will obviously say sacking the manager in the last quarter of the season works

Wilsons job gets much harder now, but please let's learn the lessons of this season:

- we need strength in depth, a squad not just a 1st 11
- strikers that can score...
- plan b - we need one for when we play physical teams
- no point having an expensive superstar if the back up is is shite- ched and macca prime examples
- no expensive has been bench warmers who are there for morale
- no more loanees!!!!

Totally agree.

It's no good continually changing Managers at this level.

For me give him a FIVE year contract, so that he and everybody else sees that we are here for the long haul, because that's what it's going to take to get our club, being at least one of the top Championship side. I personally am NOT interested in the Premiership.

Apart from a decision in North Wales, for me this has been a GREAT season.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Getting rid of Wilson in any way, shape or form would be madness.

Forgetting yesterday, the bloke has guided us to 90 points, the highest scorers in England and then, with no strikers of note, took us to within one kick of promotion. It's fine people talking about the wage bill and players who were already here - Evans, Williamson, Doyle, Collins and Quinn were all underachieving in a relegation team, last summer every SUFC fan would gladly have driven at least three of those players to other clubs. He has transformed those players into key parts of our team this season and - though I can't see it happening - I'd be more than delighted if all four of the available ones started for us on the opening day of next season. He has brought in a midfielder that we have craved for years - a ball player, McDonald. What an unbelievable piece of bad luck it was when he got injured before both of the key games in our season. He has found a position for Matt Lowton and he is now turning into a gem of a player. He has taken last season's Youth Cup centre back and played him in 48 games, relied upon him and got the best out of him.

His transfer business:
McDonald - HIT
Flynn - JURY OUT
Jean-Francois - HIT
Williams - MISS
Beattie - MISS (but was it his signing?)
Porter - JURY OUT

I reckon if you look at Alex Ferguson's signings and compare them to expectations then you'd find it isn't so different to Wilson's.

Loan signings - we all thought Hoskins was a good signing but his chances were limited and when his chance came, he got injured. O'Halloran struck me as a deadline day "got to get someone in for free" type signing. Hill, when he stops panicking on the ball, has been solid enough.

He has begun the long, arduous process of sorting out our style of play - when the pressure is on, United still resort to lumping it at times as they revert to what they once knew, slowly Wilson is changing that. The first steps were taken this season but there is a long way to go. Danny is going to lose some key players this summer - I'd expect at least three out of Lowton, Maguire, McDonald, Williamson and Quinn to leave - as well as the loss of Evans. He has to continue to develop the style of play that he has this season whilst ridding the squad of the expensive deadwood. My desire, most of all, is that United stop accepting mediocrity. Why have Montgomery giving the ball away (basics) when we could have promising, youngsters making errors but learning from them? I don't want to see Simonsen, Taylor and Montgomery next season, I want to see Long, Kennedy and Whitehouse given chances to be on the bench and step up. I want to see us be a danger from corners and set pieces, IMO Wilson's biggest failing. League 1 is significantly weaker next season - the three relegated sides are nowhere near as strong as the three promoted sides whilst United and MK will be weakened too. If Wilson can get his transfer dealings right, winning the league is not beyond the Blades next season.

 

[SwissBlade]

Totally agree.

It's no good continually changing Managers at this level.

For me give him a FIVE year contract, so that he and everybody else sees that we are here for the long haul, because that's what it's going to take to get our club, being at least one of the top Championship side. I personally am NOT interested in the Premiership.

I'd agree with that, we need to also start using the academy and fringe/ development players more - long, philliskirk, tonne, Mcallister, conneely... Are they going to make it? If yes, let's get them in, if no, let's ship them out.

If the younger players know that the first team manager is targeting bringing players through the ranks they are more likely to want to stay and push their way through...

 

[mpjacko]

Totally agree.

It's no good continually changing Managers at this level.

For me give him a FIVE year contract, so that he and everybody else sees that we are here for the long haul, because that's what it's going to take to get our club, being at least one of the top Championship side. I personally am NOT interested in the Premiership.

Apart from a decision in North Wales, for me this has been a GREAT season.

Have we not learnt anything from the past few years in regards to giving people long term contracts? But I guess if your happy about playing in league 1 or 2 for the next 5 years then give DW one.

 

[SwissBlade]

Have we not learnt anything from the past few years in regards to giving people long term contracts? But I guess if your happy about playing in league 1 or 2 for the next 5 years then give DW one.

Players on long term deals is a totally different subject, giving a decent progressive manager a long term deal is sensible

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

We lost one of the last 12 or so games...hardly 'choked'

No one could have predicted the pigs winning 11 out of the last 14 games and drawing the other 3

It's a results business. I think Wilson is a nice guy but I think we need somebody with more about them to grab the club by the nuts and give it a good shake, otherwise I can see the "we were in second for ages, then we fucked up" malaise carrying on into the start of next season. His track record suggests he isn't the bloke to do it.

 

[alcoblade]

I'd agree with that, we need to also start using the academy and fringe/ development players more - long, philliskirk, tonne, Mcallister, conneely... Are they going to make it? If yes, let's get them in, if no, let's ship them out.

If the younger players know that the first team manager is targeting bringing players through the ranks they are more likely to want to stay and push their way through...

Knowing they have a future doesn't make them good enough though. I don't think it's as simple as if they'e good enough play them if not ship them out. The reaility is it's not known if they're going to be, so they're sent to "Shrewsbury" to develop. Managers don't need to see me play ad BDTBL to know I'm not good enough, and it's the same with the young players.

Either way, I think too much emphasis on home grown youth would see us in this division for too long. It's a great line, but looking around the footballing world it seems that's where it ends.

UTB

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Historically Agent Wilson's second season is usually utter balls and he's out on his ear by march.

Seems a nice guy but can't see him making it past December.

 

[chipsncake]

Historically Agent Wilson's second season is usually utter balls and he's out on his ear by march.

Seems a nice guy but can't see him making it past December.

Deep down everyone knows Wilson is taking us nowhere. Persevere if you wish but it will very quickly end in tears.

 

[Wards]

I don't think we could get anyone better and he's done a grand job this year for me. Just a shame about yesterday.

Reckon the ambitions of the board will play a more significant role than the manager next season.

 

[BladeFisher]

We lost one of the last 12 or so games...hardly 'choked'

No one could have predicted the pigs winning 11 out of the last 14 games and drawing the other 3

I did. Dave Jones did it before with Wolves in 2003!

 

[God]

It's a results business. I think Wilson is a nice guy but I think we need somebody with more about them to grab the club by the nuts and give it a good shake, otherwise I can see the "we were in second for ages, then we fucked up" malaise carrying on into the start of next season. His track record suggests he isn't the bloke to do it.

Go on then, WHO??????? I dont go along with this grass is greener philosophy at all, its what brought us Robson and the subsequent downward spiral. You cant really go on past track records either because if we finish in the top 6 next season, they'll be no point in the club even booking a hotel will there.

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Its got nothing to do with ambition, the ambition of every football club the size of ours is to be in the premier league, they make money in there. The reality is the club is skint and for the foreseeable future United's signings will be free transfers and young lads that can't make it in the top two divisions. Also the club is about to be bummed by the FFP rule.

 

[Worksop_Blade]

Go on then, WHO??????? I dont go along with this grass is greener philosophy at all, its what brought us Robson and the subsequent downward spiral. You cant really go on past track records either because if we finish in the top 6 next season, they'll be no point in the club even booking a hotel will there.

The club can book as many hotels as they want but they might as well not bother asking for any tickets. You think 30000 fans was bad this year, imagine the next time United get to a final.

 

[God]

The club can book as many hotels as they want but they might as well not bother asking for any tickets. You think 30000 fans was bad this year, imagine the next time United get to a final.

I dont think 30,000 was bad at all. Where did that come from????????

 

[yorkshirecoast]

For me, the jury is still out on DW.

Positives:

Some good, attacking football up until the Ched issue
Generated some spirit & togetherness
Got the best out of Ched

Negatives:

Totally capitulated after the Ched issue - zero attacking intent or threat
Too many poor performances & results against the better sides
Did not address our woeful lack of pace
Some atrocious signings -including loans (the pigs went up because of the quality of their loans - ours didn't improve us at all)

Pre-season is massive for us & DW. He must bring in more pace, power and attacking threat. Without Ched & McDonald we are a mid-table League 1 side.

UTB

 

[Blade58]

For me, the jury is still out on DW.

Positives:

Some good, attacking football up until the Ched issue
Generated some spirit & togetherness
Got the best out of Ched

Negatives:

Totally capitulated after the Ched issue - zero attacking intent or threat
Too many poor performances & results against the better sides
Did not address our woeful lack of pace
Some atrocious signings -including loans (the pigs went up because of the quality of their loans - ours didn't improve us at all)

Pre-season is massive for us & DW. He must bring in more pace, power and attacking threat. Without Ched & McDonald we are a mid-table League 1 side.

UTB

I would agree with your post, only adding (and this is only an opinion) that I believe we made a big mistake in signing Hoskins. I don't believe for one minute he came to us injury free and picked up a double hernia in training or the few short appearances he made for us.

I believe we brought him in as cover for Ched, carrying that injury and thinking we probably wouldn't need him. The fact Hoskins had to cut his loan short to have the op suggests he'd been carrying his problem for some time. Players have been known to carry hernia problems for months.

 

[mpjacko]

Some atrocious signings -including loans (the pigs went up because of the quality of their loans - ours didn't improve us at all)

UTB

Our last signings eg Hill, Hoskins, OH suggests that DW never watched these players play (i.e reserves) before joining the club. I get the feeling that DW just called around and asked if any manger had any players spare.

 

[mpjacko]

Players on long term deals is a totally different subject, giving a decent progressive manager a long term deal is sensible

So by time December comes and we are in the bottom 3, after signing a 5 year contract as you suggest DW won't resign knowing that he will lose any compensation and we won't be able to afford to sack him as we will have to pay of the remaining 4.5 years of his contract.

 

[Rustyblade]

He doesn't fill me with too much confidence. Haven't seen him yet win a game or alter the outcome of one by astute tactical tweaks. Haven't seen much evidence of work on attacking set pieces. I haven't really seen much evidence of a genuine game plan....even when we were winning it seemed more down to individuals on the pitch rather than a plan as a whole coming together.

I have almost no confidence in his ability to buy or loan either.

People say that he's got us playing football again. Footballers passing the ball. Who'd a thunk it? All well and good but without Ched we have very little penetration and no pace anywhere in the side.

And in the biggest match of his tenure so far, he finds himself in a situation where he has to play Doyle and Monty in central midfield. Doyle and Monty. Together. Tactics? Defend like a bitch and hope to get lucky. Is that really okay for y'all? Could anybody see what the plan was yesterday to, you know, er, actually score?

I dunno. Maybe the day after is not the best time for such considerations. And I really do hope I'm wrong. Well, let's just say I'm open to persuasion.

 

[Kenilworth]

Our last signings eg Hill, Hoskins, OH suggests that DW never watched these players play (i.e reserves) before joining the club. I get the feeling that DW just called around and asked if any manger had any players spare.

Dont be stupid
He knew Hill at Bristol.
To be fair to Hill in the play offs he has been solid - his passing has been improving but still had a tendancy to hoof it - but he has been performing.
O'H was a desperation move at teh end of the tranny window.
OK Hoskins might be questioned based on injuries but he was proven at this level and if he passed a fitness test why would DW not think he could perform?

 

[Blade58]

Players on long term deals is a totally different subject, giving a decent progressive manager a long term deal is sensible

Are you implying that DW is a progressive manager?

I'm not saying for the most part he hasn't entertained the fans, but I would hardly class him as progressive

 

[beightonblade]

I don't care whether he goes or stays...........BUT yesterday we wern''t good enuff.

 

[BladeFisher]

He doesn't fill me with too much confidence. Haven't seen him yet win a game or alter the outcome of one by astute tactical tweaks. Haven't seen much evidence of work on attacking set pieces. I haven't really seen much evidence of a genuine game plan....even when we were winning it seemed more down to individuals on the pitch rather than a plan as a whole coming together.

I have almost no confidence in his ability to buy or loan either.

People say that he's got us playing football again. Footballers passing the ball. Who'd a thunk it? All well and good but without Ched we have very little penetration and no pace anywhere in the side.

And in the biggest match of his tenure so far, he finds himself in a situation where he has to play Doyle and Monty in central midfield. Doyle and Monty. Together. Tactics? Defend like a bitch and hope to get lucky. Is that really okay for y'all? Could anybody see what the plan was yesterday to, you know, er, actually score?

I dunno. Maybe the day after is not the best time for such considerations. And I really do hope I'm wrong. Well, let's just say I'm open to persuasion.

Yeah I think that is just about it. We did keep their attack quiet. If Simmo has scored that pen or rather had Lowton and Taylor scored theirs we'd be stunned. But the nightmare continues...