The Official Keep Danny Wilson Thread....

[Karaoke Blade]

No brainer for me...Danny Wilson must stay.

I did'nt get a season ticket this season for the first time in 20 years, as I was totally disillusioned with the style of football that we had adopted (along with the ridiculous True Blade 'marketing' campaign). However, having missed just one match (first game of season) I have thoroughly enjoyed the way we have played under Danny and once again actually looked forward to attending a match.

No one could have predicted the factors that would stop us going up (see previous thread 'You could'nt write the script') For me, I can see no point in getting a new manager at this stage in our transformation towards a proper footballing team.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Sighhhh, people seem intent on blaming the manager. If Ched had kept his dick in his trousers, we wouldn't even be discussing it. Circumstances and injuries cocked up the season, too late to do anything about it. Keep him, I've enjoyed this season immensely. And comments about 'footballers passing the ball' as though it's easy, the previous managers didn't seem to have the knack of getting our players to pass.

 

[CrookesBlade]

Keep him. Chopping and changing managers since Warnock left has got us precisely nowhere.

What has cost us this season is a lack of strength in depth. I tend to think that Wilson had to sacrifice a bigger squad for keeping hold of Lowton, Maguire, Quinn and Evans, plus paying McDonald's wages.

We've been lucky this season to keep relatively injury and suspension free for the most part, and when players are suddenly unavailable for whatever reason its hurt us (McDonald's hamstring, Ched in prison, Lowton and Maguire's red cards).

Wilson no doubt has a good idea of who is likely to stay and who will go and will have to rebuild the squad accordingly. I tend to think Lowton will move on. A player coming into his 20s with his ability will have to think about his career and another season at a level he is clearly too good for will do nothing for him. I tend to think Maguire would be more likely to stay but McCabe will probably find any £1m plus deal too tempting. I'm sure Blackpool will renew their interest in Quinn and he will probably be off as well.

I would suspect that McDonald and Williamson would be the most likely to stay as a few teams will be put off by their injury records. I would imagine Cresswell will be moved on as I don't think he can play at this level for another year, likewise Simmo.

So we are looking at next season

1 new keeper
1 right back
1 centre half
1 left winger
2 new strikers

PLUS cover. There maybe some academy players like Kennedy and Harriott who can make the step up but we can't rely on that. Its a hell of a rebuilding job and I dont think a quick fix change of manager will be the way to go about it.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Go on then, WHO??????? I dont go along with this grass is greener philosophy at all, its what brought us Robson and the subsequent downward spiral. You cant really go on past track records either because if we finish in the top 6 next season, they'll be no point in the club even booking a hotel will there.

Not my decision to make, unfortunately its McCabe's, and as you rightly point out, it was him (and Turry) that appointed boozehound. Anybody with an iota of intelligence knew that would be a fucking disaster; so it proved (I don't hold truck with the "Robbo wasted money" line though, that was the board's fault pure and simple). The subsequent decisions to keep Blackwell after he chucked his resignation letter in, then sacking him three games into a season just so McCabe could appear to be a "big man" in front of prospective buyers (getting rid of Blackwell wasn't the issue, the timing of it was) demonstrates that the guy is fucking clueless when it comes to running a football club. Appointing Wilson (which was as popular as ham sandwich at a bar mitzvah at the time) because they had shared a few San Miguels in Spain just adds to it all.

You are right though, you know what will happen if we finish in the playoff positions next season, Wilson lacks the killer instinct to be a "completer finisher".

 

[ponteblade]

We were all gutted yesterday! But I think Danny will take us up next year, if the club hangs on to our younger players and the board at least give him half a chance and not have a fire damage sale!

 

[metalblade]

Looking at Danny's track record does not give me any confidence he is the man to take us forwards, his 2nd season in most cases is at best mediocre at worst a fuckin disaster waiting to happen. A nice guy, says the right things to the media but strikes me as a bit of a soft twat, a guy unable to kick arse or be ruthless when needs be. His dealings in the loan and transfer markets have been poor to say the least is he really the guy to go out and find us the skill, pace and power we so desperately need ? This summer will be massive in shaping our future for the next decade or so we are truly in the shit now and need strong leadership not only from the manager but the clubs owner as well, sadly I can't see this happening. Whoever is in charge of the team next season will get scant help from McCabe be it Wilson or anyone else, personally I don't care either way. Wilson is not the immediate problem McCabe's lack of drive and ambition is.

 

[alcoblade]

"Lack of ambition" doesn't equate to the largest wage bill in the division, does it?

For all his faults he has funded us. His mistakes have been giving money to the wrong people and the wrong places.

We should give Wilson time to offload the vastly overpaid players he inherited and see what he can do with a still healthy wage bill.

Two things are certain. There are far worse chairmen that McCabe around, and none better who want to take over.

UTB

 

[metalblade]

"Lack of ambition" doesn't equate to the largest wage bill in the division, does it?

For all his faults he has funded us. His mistakes have been giving money to the wrong people and the wrong places.

We should give Wilson time to offload the vastly overpaid players he inherited and see what he can do with a still healthy wage bill.

Two things are certain. There are far worse chairmen that McCabe around, and none better who want to take over.

UTB

funded us my arse more like we have funded his struggling property empire since 2007/08

 

[Large Mendonca]

My observation on McCabe from when he took over is that he's put us in the division lower, increased our debt, but smartened the ground up.

Is that harsh ?

 

[alcoblade]

funded us my arse more like we have funded his struggling property empire since 2007/08

We've lost lots of money. You're either accusing McCabe of fiddling the accounts, or you have to accept that.

I'm no lover of his. He royally fucked up appointing Robsosn, fucked up the managers last season, threw money at daft property ventures including planning to expand for 3 WC matches. He's made bad decision after bad decision. But no amount of dummy spitting alters the fact that we've consistently had a far higher wage bill than we would have done if he hadn't been in charge.

He has shown ambition, but comedy bad decision making has meant that the evidence of it is buried in accounts, not in the product.

UTB

 

[alcoblade]

My observation on McCabe from when he took over is that he's put us in the division lower, increased our debt, but smartened the ground up.

Is that harsh ?

That woud be true, yes. And he's spent a fortune to achieve it. It's the Blades way.



UTB

 

[God]

Not my decision to make, unfortunately its McCabe's, and as you rightly point out, it was him (and Turry) that appointed boozehound. Anybody with an iota of intelligence knew that would be a fucking disaster; so it proved (I don't hold truck with the "Robbo wasted money" line though, that was the board's fault pure and simple). The subsequent decisions to keep Blackwell after he chucked his resignation letter in, then sacking him three games into a season just so McCabe could appear to be a "big man" in front of prospective buyers (getting rid of Blackwell wasn't the issue, the timing of it was) demonstrates that the guy is fucking clueless when it comes to running a football club. Appointing Wilson (which was as popular as ham sandwich at a bar mitzvah at the time) because they had shared a few San Miguels in Spain just adds to it all.

You are right though, you know what will happen if we finish in the playoff positions next season, Wilson lacks the killer instinct to be a "completer finisher".

As you can probably tell, I hold A BIG truck with Robson wasting money. It wasnt McCabe that spent it, it was Robson. Bringing in expensive loan players on huge deals fucked us up big time financially. THAT was Robsons fault not McCabes. It was Robsons idea not McCabes. But dont take my word for it , watch the Dispatches documentary about his philosophy of buying a big club and using loan players. It makes everything that he did with us clear. And I dont think McCabe did what he did to appear a big man at all, I just think he totally screwed up with the decision. As you say the timing couldn't have been any worse.
I've no doubt that McCabe thought that Robson had this "killer instinct" you talk about, and look where its got us. Its DW for me, even though I've had to learn to like ham!!

 

[metalblade]

My observation on McCabe from when he took over is that he's put us in the division lower, increased our debt, but smartened the ground up.

Is that harsh ?

Sounds about right to me and the team is also far worse with nothing much worth selling in the current climate, still waiting for Europe ......... it's a long 5 years or was he meaning his ventures with White Star the Brussels equivalent of Worksop town

 

[BladeFisher]

As you can probably tell, I hold A BIG truck with Robson wasting money. It wasnt McCabe that spent it, it was Robson. Bringing in expensive loan players on huge deals fucked us up big time financially. THAT was Robsons fault not McCabes. It was Robsons idea not McCabes. But dont take my word for it , watch the Dispatches documentary about his philosophy of buying a big club and using loan players. It makes everything that he did with us clear. And I dont think McCabe did what he did to appear a big man at all, I just think he totally screwed up with the decision. As you say the timing couldn't have been any worse.
I've no doubt that McCabe thought that Robson had this "killer instinct" you talk about, and look where its got us. Its DW for me, even though I've had to learn to like ham!!

It is arguable that if BT wasn't sold, we would have gone up. Did Robson not bring in BT?

 

[BladeFisher]

Sounds about right to me and the team is also far worse with nothing much worth selling in the current climate, still waiting for Europe ......... it's a long 5 years or was he meaning his ventures with White Star the Brussels equivalent of Worksop town

Or White Star the owners of the Titanic!

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

As you can probably tell, I hold A BIG truck with Robson wasting money. It wasnt McCabe that spent it, it was Robson. Bringing in expensive loan players on huge deals fucked us up big time financially. THAT was Robsons fault not McCabes. It was Robsons idea not McCabes. But dont take my word for it , watch the Dispatches documentary about his philosophy of buying a big club and using loan players. It makes everything that he did with us clear. And I dont think McCabe did what he did to appear a big man at all, I just think he totally screwed up with the decision. As you say the timing couldn't have been any worse.
I've no doubt that McCabe thought that Robson had this "killer instinct" you talk about, and look where its got us. Its DW for me, even though I've had to learn to like ham!!

Surely the board gave Robbo a budget, the issue was that the budget was not sustainable. The fact that Robson spent that budget is not his fault, it was what he was brought in to do. I have a budget at work, I have to justify to the board if and when I want to spend large amounts on capital investments. The buck stops with the people in charge. Wilson's past record suggests his second seasons (when presumably he's had an opportunity to bring more of his "own" players in) have been shite.

 

[CrookesBlade]

re McCabe - nobody can argue he's not backed the club or ultimately got its best interests at heart.

He made all the right moves up until relegation in 2007. Since then he's got almost every crucial decision wrong (excluding replacing Micky Adams with DW and appointing Blackwell as a quick fix to stave off relegation)

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

Sounds about right to me and the team is also far worse with nothing much worth selling in the current climate, still waiting for Europe ......... it's a long 5 years or was he meaning his ventures with White Star the Brussels equivalent of Worksop town

They've got a new album out this year

 

[Toronto Blade]

This is the second time that we have failed at Wembley due to suspensions and injuries and not been properly covered.
Two different managers but the same problem.
Charlton saw the danger and though well in front at the top of the league they still loaded up and it paid off.
Injuries and suspensions are always a threat especially towards the end of a long season some clubs just don't prepare properly for it.

 

[SwissBlade]

Knowing they have a future doesn't make them good enough though. I don't think it's as simple as if they'e good enough play them if not ship them out. The reaility is it's not known if they're going to be, so they're sent to "Shrewsbury" to develop. Managers don't need to see me play ad BDTBL to know I'm not good enough, and it's the same with the young players.

Either way, I think too much emphasis on home grown youth would see us in this division for too long. It's a great line, but looking around the footballing world it seems that's where it ends.

UTB

The problem we have is turnover-wages. Not sure we have a choice.

 

[alcoblade]

The problem we have is turnover-wages. Not sure we have a choice.

Aye, true. Is there any allownace for contract lengths? Giving Cresswell (for exampe) 4 years was the height of stupidity, but even we could be forgiven for not knowing how this might backfire because of this new ruling?

UTB

 

[geekblade]

I think Wilson did some great things last season. Came in to the bear pit to a largely hostile fanbase. He brought down the wage bill a bit where he could and where the remaining underachieving high earners were parasitically leeching money before and giving nothing back to the club (think Evans, Collins etc.) he turned them in to very decent players where all others had failed. He's also nurtured some young talent in the form of Maguire and Lowton. Despite my being at first critical of LJF we missed him when he got injured and in hind sight did a good job overall.

I think it would be unfair to blame Wilson for what happened and call for his head as he did more than any other manager has done here in a long time. We threw 2nd away when Ched went down and the squad shit themselves; we had a strong midfield capable of scoring but only adding to scorelines rather than opening them.

He also should be credited with getting the team playing some decent football again and keeping a decent number of bums on seats when there could have been an exodus from the beginning of the 11-12 season. I've really enjoyed being at the lane this year. Again, I can't say the same for other managers.

My only real criticism is that Wilson lacked a proper plan B in the event of our attacking goalscorer going to prison, which was always a distinct possibility. But then again who knew Hoskins would get injured and I should think his hands would have been tied by a lack of funds, available players etc.

Wilson has my backing.

 

[mpjacko]

Dont be stupid
He knew Hill at Bristol.
To be fair to Hill in the play offs he has been solid - his passing has been improving but still had a tendancy to hoof it - but he has been performing.
O'H was a desperation move at teh end of the tranny window.
OK Hoskins might be questioned based on injuries but he was proven at this level and if he passed a fitness test why would DW not think he could perform?

Then why sign him? He has been terrible for us and he must of been the same at Bristol.

In regards to KM. I've always said that if he ran his business like he does for united, he business would of gone bankrupt years ago. So why does he make so many mistakes / get so many decisions wrong with United? He would never in a million years pay his staff the overly vast wages like he has for United and he wouldn't hire poor staff / mangers. He would go for the best and so why doesn't he apply the same logic at United? I can cope with all the crap that united gives us but the breaking point for me was KM hiring DW when DW didn't even want the job.

 

[God]

It is arguable that if BT wasn't sold, we would have gone up. Did Robson not bring in BT?

So the drunken bum got one right. Doesn't excuse the rest of his squandering.

Now the selling of BT half way through the season is something you CAN lay at McCabes door. Another of his idiotic decisions I'll never understand.

 

[God]

Surely the board gave Robbo a budget, the issue was that the budget was not sustainable. The fact that Robson spent that budget is not his fault, it was what he was brought in to do. I have a budget at work, I have to justify to the board if and when I want to spend large amounts on capital investments. The buck stops with the people in charge. Wilson's past record suggests his second seasons (when presumably he's had an opportunity to bring more of his "own" players in) have been shite.

And when your capital investments dont perform and end up costing the plc a fortune? yes you rightly get the sack!!!!!! The budget would have been sustainable after having spent it , it brought sucess, but it didn't ,and he rightly got his P45. That in the real world is whats called wasting money. Was that what he was brought in to do????? Facts are, Robson wouldn't have got us anywhere even if he had a budget the size of Man City. The guy hadn't got a clue.

Cast your mind back to this under his tenureship, Scunny at home. Scunny get one sent off . What does good old captain fantastic do? yep a masterstroke of tactical genius, we change from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 !!!!!!!! and end up getting fook all out of the game. The crowds reaction just about summed him up.

 

[Bish_Is_God]

Danny got the team playing the way I had been craving for. I would happily settle for long ball football which resulted in a winning team, however it is much more satisfying watching them win playing good football.

Lets hope he gets enough support from the board this summer.

 

[sothall blade]

Can't agree. Wilson did better than I expected at the start of the season, but he did have a big wage bill (for League 1). However, having had a big points lead, he blew that then choked at the final hurdle. It fits his past record, and I have no confidence in his ability to build a new side so for me he would have to go.

wilson did,nt "blow it"it was the likes of beattie that let us down when we needed the older pro to help out

 

[Sirius]

Players on long term deals is a totally different subject, giving a decent progressive manager a long term deal is sensible
Swiss, I agree with you i n theory, giving a good manager a long term contract is the way to go, EXCEPT that contracts are not worth the paper they are written on if a better offer comes along. Sad, but IMO true.

 

[Sirius]

Swiss Blade, I agree that giving good managers a longer contract is the way to go, except, unfortunatelty, if a better offer comes along, they still go.

 

[Bladesman]

He did blow it but we are playing decent football so I am indifferent whether he stays or not though.

He had dramatic changes thrust upon him but we were clearly not covered in defence when we had our defensive nightmare. Even after that nightmare we were (and still are) thread bare in centre backs if either of them get injured We were lucky in that Maguire or Collins never actually got injured at all this season.

Macca and Willo have always had injury issues and neither of them were accounted for in case of an ever eventual injury.

The only thing he did try to cover for was Evans getting sent down and it was just pure bad luck Hoskins got injured on that front. OH was a poor signing and I still cant work out whether the guy is a winger or a striker.